Then you lack the foresight to see beyond your selfish ******* ambition to obtain proto gear.

YOU see this game as getting proto gear and that's it. Don't confuse that point of view to be shared by all of New Eden.

That was me too, for the first few months.

Damn I was dumb.

Sniped standing looking at the scenery.

Run over by a murder taxi (for at least a few spawns in a row). For a while I thought I had a target painted on my back for them to aim at.

OB'd to oblivion and not even knowing what an OB was.

Getting ganked by a bunch of experts running proto gear and officer ARs. Game after game after game.

Getting killed by a scout when I was using an assault drop suit. More times than I'd care to admit.

Spending skill points on stuff that was completely useless for a noob. A harsh lesson.

Getting shredded to bits by REs and grenades.

Getting killed by running into the redline, thinking I was a flanking ninja.

Trying to throw a grenade and blowing myself to smithereens.

Realizing that a bunch of the mods I was using on my dropsuit didn't work well together.

Jumping into a dropship flown by some guy straight out of flight school. The view was nice for about 15 seconds, then kerpow! Hit by some BFG that blew us to kingdom come.

Worrying about sucking so bad in the forums and being told to HTFU.

Aaaaaahhh. Heady days.

I'm just glad Tac Com found me, dusted me off and gave me a chance to run with a great corp.

If your newberry sticks with it, he'll be ok. He just needs a mentor.


Munch

Please tell me how Protostomping is good for the game. Is it because it makes players HTFU? Is it because it's something to strive to do themselves? I do not understand the notion that utterly destroying a new player's morale and having a very real chance of driving them away from the game (which is severely detrimental to the game's overall health)is actually a good thing.

Certainly, there are some with the grit to push through and keep fighting, but they are definitely the minority. I think you'll find that a lot of the people who dislike Protostomping are not in favour of twitch-shooter mechanics either: DUST has a lot of promise as a thoughtful and tactical shooter, yet it is currently all about whether you Protostomp or have mad gun game: there is next to no actual tactical thought, the game does not reward the most effective team because bad, illogical mechanics (WP for Orbitals, for example) reward mediocrity and cheap...I don't want to call them tactics, they are more like gimmicks.

At the end of the day, Protostomping is the equivalent of ganking in EVE but there is no foil to it. In EVE, you have to manoeuvre to avoid the wrath of CONCORD, but the Protostompers in DUST simply whistle merrily as they drive every casual gamer out of the game. Sure, there should be areas that don't cater to casual gamers: inversely, there should be areas that don't cater to hardcore gamers. This is New Eden, where life is harsh for sure but at the end of the day this is still a game and there are elements of the playerbase that abuse the current state for personal satisfaction that is ultimately not fun for a majority...assuming that Protostompers have not driven away so many people that they are now actually the majority, anyway.

I'll close with this quote as to why your viewpoint is horribly flawed:


The simple fact that you're unable to describe the game that is DUST 514 as fun, because of the likelihood of Protostomping, is a terrible indictment.

I don't know why I bothered with this, since Protostompers and Proto-apologists alike rarely care about the actual health of the game...

And FYI, I have a solid core of good people. I enjoy playing with them, there are some very good players and we rocked pretty hard in some of the tournaments despite being a small, non-hardcore Corp. Do not assume that people who complain about Protostomping are all scrubs: a lot of us just want the game to be healthy.

You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy

@_@

Pretty much the same for me Grease. When I was hear I was stuck trying to using my mind over gear to bridge the gap between me and them. I still do that. Jump onto enemies with an SMG and slaying them, bouncing grenades on a wall after baiting a player into walking into it, ducking and shooting the feet of a merc while they're at a Supply Depot, outsmarting the enemy in whatever way I can...

I don't know, I didn't read anything about "Proto Stomp Away" or whatever has everyone's panties twisted but rather don't make it easier on the players since going through the same hardships made you the excellent player you are now.

I sound like an old person but if we make it easier on them, wouldn't the players just become soft and rely on their gear ANYWAY? I promise you that if I didn't get stomped by team work and realized the difference between a Standard fit and a Proto, I wouldn't be the calculating ****** I am today >.>. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't be. Sure, we need to make the Academy better so it helps players adjusts and have easier to understand instructions but at the core, do you really want to make the battlefield cushiony for newcomers? People will fret until the game is as easy to dominate in as COD or Battlefield and we most certainly don't want that.

Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.

One thing that would help a lot is to remove OBs from Pub matches and replace it with some other mechanic that isn't as destructive, nearly unavoidable and incredibly, stupidly OP as an automated 'ability' - especially so when WP boosting with Logistics/Equipment is so easy to attain. Seriously. If you're going to have OBs in pubs, it should work the same as FW and PC (referring to the changes in 1.7).

I'd rather see a squad-wide buff given to the squad that attains the 2500 WP, a random one from a selection of potential enhancers that lasts 60 seconds.

Did u invite him to your corp afterwards?

We have to take these newberries and guide and nurture them. They are our young and our little future greifers