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Pretty much the same for me Grease. When I was hear I was stuck trying to using my mind over gear to bridge the gap between me and them. I still do that. Jump onto enemies with an SMG and slaying them, bouncing grenades on a wall after baiting a player into walking into it, ducking and shooting the feet of a merc while they're at a Supply Depot, outsmarting the enemy in whatever way I can...

I don't know, I didn't read anything about "Proto Stomp Away" or whatever has everyone's panties twisted but rather don't make it easier on the players since going through the same hardships made you the excellent player you are now.

I sound like an old person but if we make it easier on them, wouldn't the players just become soft and rely on their gear ANYWAY? I promise you that if I didn't get stomped by team work and realized the difference between a Standard fit and a Proto, I wouldn't be the calculating ****** I am today >.>. I'm sure a lot of players wouldn't be. Sure, we need to make the Academy better so it helps players adjusts and have easier to understand instructions but at the core, do you really want to make the battlefield cushiony for newcomers? People will fret until the game is as easy to dominate in as COD or Battlefield and we most certainly don't want that.

How do you keep it in low sec?

The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.

Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.

And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....

Sounds like matchmaking is still broken or we just have so few players now to reliably match players up in a relatively logical way.

Yeah and for every one of you nine others said F*ck this game.
Cool Story Bro!

Way to be the problem, GG!

I keep hearing that this is how the game is meant to be....this is New Eden, it's harsh and unforgiving, blah, blah, blah.

Problem is this game doesn't feel anything like New Eden. The meta of this game is equip best gear, max core skills, **** face. Lack of total content, no place to go to train without the threat of protostomp (I'm talking about PvE), and no legitimate in-game tutorials to teach new people= Bad. Oh yeah, and a lack of matchmaking screws **** up as well.

I understand this, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem. Keep proto gear out of pubs, that's all I'm asking. I avoid public matches so that I CAN use proto without feeling guilty, or because of this. Trust me, I'm not crying for myself, but the newcomers. I love RPGs, but a lot of people are used to FPS, not RPG.

When I go solo it's 16 solo vs 2 squads normally but they can't do much about that.

One thing that would help a lot is to remove OBs from Pub matches and replace it with some other mechanic that isn't as destructive, nearly unavoidable and incredibly, stupidly OP as an automated 'ability' - especially so when WP boosting with Logistics/Equipment is so easy to attain. Seriously. If you're going to have OBs in pubs, it should work the same as FW and PC (referring to the changes in 1.7).

I'd rather see a squad-wide buff given to the squad that attains the 2500 WP, a random one from a selection of potential enhancers that lasts 60 seconds.

I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.

He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down.

I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him!

On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav.

He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways!

Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done!

Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive.

Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill.

The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered.

Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...



Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.

So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game?
Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.

The greatest myth about protostomping is that it is the gear that makes the difference when in fact it is the fact that many people (myself included) only run proto when with squads of corp or alliance mates. it is the organized squads that make the difference not the gear so much. Also, most people I know that have proto gear also have their core skills and weapon skills maxed, simply put we are higher level in this game because we have been playing it longer...welcome to an RPG hybrid. The final myth is that proto gear is godly compared to everything else, this is a fallacy in many cases, I know my assault Mk. 0 has about a whole 100 more EHP than my advanced suit and a Ishukone SMG over the advanced assault SMG. Slight advantages but hardly worth all the tears and whining on these forums.

Proto gear is just the easiest excuse why one loses instead of the real culprits of a better team on the other side, better team work (I.E. they're squaded and I wasn't), or actually admitting that (GASP) someone is better at the game than me.

And before anyone gets mad at me I rarely use proto in pubs because I am a cheap S.O.B. and I am average at best at Dust despite being a closed beta vet. Oh and back in closed beta we used to get stomped on by Imperfect squads every other match because it was a tighter knit community with fewer corps etc....

I give you a plus 1 sir!.... the last thing we need is new players sticking with this game (because it will only prolong its death)
and your attempt at a motivational speech is condescending and dispassionate (as I'm sure was your intention) only adding insult to injury.

you are a shinning beacon of the dust community, and if only there were more like you (oh wait, there are many like you...) we could give this game a proper burial within a year.

keep it up kid.....

Alot of you guys on here defending the proto stomp are nothing but selfish cry babies who want to hinder the games growth. I started in closed beta and it was a different time back then as proto wasn't really common. Now it's everywhere and you expect new players to take the ass kicking and thank you for the opportunity? **** You! What happens when the newbies get their own game mode? You are going to whine and cry because your easy kills are gone. Not to mention the fact that most of you use mouse and keyboard with aim assist (yeah I know theres a way) I can't wait for the day when CCP wakes up and starts thinking of ways to draw in the new players and gives them a fighting chance. Proto stomping is your purogotive, but you know that it is hardly fair. I could do the same, I have all the necessary skills and equipment and a rather high lifetime SP coun't. But I don't do it. It's not fun to get completely overwhelmed as a new player. Most new players don't know that the best way to grow is to get in with a corp. So don't sit there and act all high and mighty talking garbage about proto stomping is your right. So you "High KDR guys", your days are numbered.

i feel guilty for using Scout gk.0....wait, should I? Scouts are underpowered, I need all that I can to beat other players with higher eHP then me.

Lately I'm using mlt, bsc and some adv. scouts. mlt shotgun works great against protos.

I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.

He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down.

I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him!

On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav.

He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways!

Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done!

Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive.

Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill.

The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered.

Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...



Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.

Did u invite him to your corp afterwards?

We have to take these newberries and guide and nurture them. They are our young and our little future greifers

Alot of you guys on here defending the proto stomp are nothing but selfish cry babies who want to hinder the games growth. I started in closed beta and it was a different time back then as proto wasn't really common. Now it's everywhere and you expect new players to take the ass kicking and thank you for the opportunity? **** You! What happens when the newbies get their own game mode? You are going to whine and cry because your easy kills are gone. Not to mention the fact that most of you use mouse and keyboard with aim assist (yeah I know theres a way) I can't wait for the day when CCP wakes up and starts thinking of ways to draw in the new players and gives them a fighting chance. Proto stomping is your purogotive, but you know that it is hardly fair. I could do the same, I have all the necessary skills and equipment and a rather high lifetime SP coun't. But I don't do it. It's not fun to get completely overwhelmed as a new player. Most new players don't know that the best way to grow is to get in with a corp. So don't sit there and act all high and mighty talking garbage about proto stomping is your right. So you "High KDR guys", your days are numbered.