So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game?
Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.

Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.

Read the whole post Einstein.

So...you made a new player's first non-Academy game hell because your team was Proto'd out to the nines in a random game?
Well done. I'm sure they will thank you for such an enlightening experience.

I think the point is that he respects the guys efforts when clearly outmatched. If more guys would see what Greasy saw (even though it's around them everytime they play) that is what will make the difference.

Hammer them in game, send an email and invite them to run with veterans for a few matches. Give some advice on suits and weapons...take 10min to teach a newberry a little something in your squad and their odds of sticking around the game are much much higher.

I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.

He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down.

I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him!

On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav.

He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways!

Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done!

Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive.

Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill.

The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered.

Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...



Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.

I'm not shocked at all that alot of you are hurt about what this game is. But you are all and will be guilty of the same actions at one point or another.

I'm not here to listen to your down trodding of people who worked hard as hell and took their lumps to have that gear.

Ever tried to teach someone who has no idea how to play? You couldn't keep them alive if you had them in the best squad in the game.

No you won't so shut yo ass up.

I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.
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Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...

No you won't so shut yo ass up.

I played with a new guy and watched his entire experience through his first public match.

He spawns in Mcc and takes a big look around first skirmish ever. He walks the whole way to C and starts to hack. An Lav races in at full speed and out pops a proto heavy and mows him down.

I can tell what he's thinking oh well I am just gonna go back and get him!

On his way there he gets proto sniped walking from the mcc back to C. So he spawns in the ground spawn and carefully works his way across the street. As he is focused on the fight happening near D he get's smacked by a logi Lav.

He probably thought to himself dang shoulda looked both ways!

Spawns in ground again to get into the action dodges the patrolling lav to walk into the fire fight he's made it to some action. A well cooked grenade is thrown over the top of him and bam he is done!

Figures well I'll take my chance with the sniper. Walks the long way around to B evaded everyone's attention and is so excited to help the team with a sneaky hack. Starts hacking everything going great then BOOM Remote explosive.

Finally decides well I'll just be a sniper and shoot from the ground spawn. I might have a chance at scoring a kill.

The whole team is there with him in a nice tight bunch. Then Magic beams appear from the sky and kill everyone on the team for the final clones. I'm sure WTF was definitely uttered.

Then after the match I felt bad that I just made this game horrible for him...



Then moments later I realized that was myself 7 months ago. My only thought is keep it up kid you're gonna make it here if you want it. I don't hate proto stompers they are the goal to be and beat. Goodluck guys. New and old its a hard life being a merc in NEW EDEN.

Despite the bashing you are going to get, you are correct.

Some will just stay in **** corps and whine. Others will seek out better players to help them along.

Then you lack the foresight to see beyond your selfish ******* ambition to obtain proto gear.

YOU see this game as getting proto gear and that's it. Don't confuse that point of view to be shared by all of New Eden.

That was me too, for the first few months.

Damn I was dumb.

Sniped standing looking at the scenery.

Run over by a murder taxi (for at least a few spawns in a row). For a while I thought I had a target painted on my back for them to aim at.

OB'd to oblivion and not even knowing what an OB was.

Getting ganked by a bunch of experts running proto gear and officer ARs. Game after game after game.

Getting killed by a scout when I was using an assault drop suit. More times than I'd care to admit.

Spending skill points on stuff that was completely useless for a noob. A harsh lesson.

Getting shredded to bits by REs and grenades.

Getting killed by running into the redline, thinking I was a flanking ninja.

Trying to throw a grenade and blowing myself to smithereens.

Realizing that a bunch of the mods I was using on my dropsuit didn't work well together.

Jumping into a dropship flown by some guy straight out of flight school. The view was nice for about 15 seconds, then kerpow! Hit by some BFG that blew us to kingdom come.

Worrying about sucking so bad in the forums and being told to HTFU.

Aaaaaahhh. Heady days.

I'm just glad Tac Com found me, dusted me off and gave me a chance to run with a great corp.

If your newberry sticks with it, he'll be ok. He just needs a mentor.


Munch

In closing respectfully get off your high horse and make another post about how proto stomping is a problem in FEEDBACK and REQUEST. Where people who are looking for innovative changes to improve the game are going to go look.

Don't bring your crybaby attitudes to me or blame me for being a part of the problem. Wanna blame someone blame CCP.

You know I do have one more point to make... You are condoning cowardice and mediocrity. Says alot about your character.

I can't lie to the and say it's gonna be fun

Please tell me how Protostomping is good for the game. Is it because it makes players HTFU? Is it because it's something to strive to do themselves? I do not understand the notion that utterly destroying a new player's morale and having a very real chance of driving them away from the game (which is severely detrimental to the game's overall health)is actually a good thing.

Certainly, there are some with the grit to push through and keep fighting, but they are definitely the minority. I think you'll find that a lot of the people who dislike Protostomping are not in favour of twitch-shooter mechanics either: DUST has a lot of promise as a thoughtful and tactical shooter, yet it is currently all about whether you Protostomp or have mad gun game: there is next to no actual tactical thought, the game does not reward the most effective team because bad, illogical mechanics (WP for Orbitals, for example) reward mediocrity and cheap...I don't want to call them tactics, they are more like gimmicks.

At the end of the day, Protostomping is the equivalent of ganking in EVE but there is no foil to it. In EVE, you have to manoeuvre to avoid the wrath of CONCORD, but the Protostompers in DUST simply whistle merrily as they drive every casual gamer out of the game. Sure, there should be areas that don't cater to casual gamers: inversely, there should be areas that don't cater to hardcore gamers. This is New Eden, where life is harsh for sure but at the end of the day this is still a game and there are elements of the playerbase that abuse the current state for personal satisfaction that is ultimately not fun for a majority...assuming that Protostompers have not driven away so many people that they are now actually the majority, anyway.

I'll close with this quote as to why your viewpoint is horribly flawed:


The simple fact that you're unable to describe the game that is DUST 514 as fun, because of the likelihood of Protostomping, is a terrible indictment.

I don't know why I bothered with this, since Protostompers and Proto-apologists alike rarely care about the actual health of the game...

And FYI, I have a solid core of good people. I enjoy playing with them, there are some very good players and we rocked pretty hard in some of the tournaments despite being a small, non-hardcore Corp. Do not assume that people who complain about Protostomping are all scrubs: a lot of us just want the game to be healthy.

You sound like the kinda guy who spends a lot of time in the academy

Foxbat you know me. Why would you say this? I go to the academy with militia gear when I get a new recruit. I don't any other time.

if your gonna go make it useful. Teach a few at least something. Recommend training corps. If you get the info out there it may spread like a rumor.