IWS - Not representing the DUST community since it began

EXACTLY !!! ... seeing as how the CPM wasn't created when the DUST community began I'd have to say 'The entire CPM - not representing the DUST community since it began'

Better still 'Takahiro - spouting crap since (sorry what's your date of birth?)'

So the community wants the SP to rollover

The majority agree that it would be a good idea and that new players and old can benefit from it and no harm would ever come from such an idea

Somehow IWS thinks this is a bad idea

IWS - Not representing the DUST community since it began

U mad bro?

Well here is another bone to throw into the pile, Someone mentioned monetizing this pool, I am somewhat against this under various types of offerings (like doubling the pool) but I am willing to break over it provided that its a fair purchase.

With this bone in the mix what are you guys thoughts to it or how would you implement or not?

No ... just tired of seeing you spouting crap like that to grab peoples attention ... what's up, not get enough attention IRL ?

I may be in the minority but I'm pretty ambivalent about SP roll-over. As a buddy of mine said, "this isn't AT&T".

Fundamentally, most folks play a fairly consistent amount each week whether it's a lot or little or in between. With SP rollover If you cap in 3 days...no change. If you take the full week to cap then no change. If you routinely don't make cap then you will routinley not cap that weeks SP pool. I think the bigger issue is giving guys that cap out more incentive to keep playing after cap.

I do acknowldege that having roll over system would give you some flexibility and probably would be a welcome addition to some parts of the player base. My recommendation on that would be to offer 50% of the remaining pool of SP as rollover SP and that SP would only have the half-life of the next week.

Example: I have 50K SP left at the end of the week, I get 25K rollover SP for the next week, if I use it great...if I don't it goes away.

Reference my point about incentivizing players once they cap...that should trigger a small but noticable increase in ISK and/or LP production. For example..I usually cap on Sunday; this would further incentivize me to put more playing time into the game until the weekly reset. I think increased LP production would be a particulalry nice theme...you really are fighting out of some level of loyalty to your faction or corp when there's no SP involved (unless you're broke and grinding for ISK!).

Who needs a rollover system if you dont have a cap.

Cap serves no purpose other than to hold back the hardcore and increase the grind of the casuals. Cap also gives CCP money because it allows people to get additional SP every cap period. This could be still be attained through boosters. Not sure if it would increase or decease booster consumption with no cap. I would bank on increase of 30 day boosters.

Remove the cap, solve all the problems. Put a ceiling on the amount of SP you can have banked (total amount of SP to get all skills to 5 + 1mil) so that when new skills come out, vets cant just have a bank of SP waiting to allocate.

Could also implement an hourly bonus daily instead of log in bonus. For one hour every day all SP earned in battle is doubled. Would drive at least hourly daily play instead of logging in and logging out.


The truth is, after the first 10-15 mil or so, people start branching into another suit/role/weapon. So it would only allow people to become more flexible in their suits and always allow people to have a lot more fun. Running the same suit for months and months gets reeaaallly boring, and frustrating.

Okay onto the bones of the subject

Rollover SP system.

I know we all want it but do we 'really' want it?

The fantasy that we could grind away that extra SP whenever we want instead of being leashed by the neck from week to week is a wonderful idea indeed.

However, there are down sides to such system while a hard core cap week to week player may not notice this a semi casual might feel as if he's been further burdened that he may never catch up? End of match screen pops up and declares he has 2 million bonus SP to claim that he can only seemingly claim 2k at a time? The notion of grind sets in and in the end becomes a disheartening thing. A wall, a contributor to the http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/2335016192_44938cf481_o.jpg syndrome and something that may just drive casual players away.

With this in mind would still want the roll over system?
How would you address the potential backfire?
Can we reasonably introduce the system safely?
Your thoughts on careful design?

Discuss.

Side Note: The 'design' of the roll over system in question is left ambiguous on purpose, so feel free to introduce your solutions or a design of it for the discussion.

Going capless would basically be the worst thing, rewarding no lifers and punishing those who can't be plugged into the game at all times.

IWS completely right to state that an on-going SP rollover would end up giving the impression that if that figure doesn't go down then you just aren't grinding hard enough. This is not a good impression to give to casuals - as they'll make up the bulk of the players of the game. And in MMOs: other players are the the content so we want as many as possible!

I suggested a long time ago a constantly regenerating pool of active SP: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=462915#post462915



It's worth noting that this method is already used by many MMO, one great example being UrbanDead found at: http://www.urbandead.com/faq.html#50ap

You can also balance the pool size and regen rate to taste. SP boosters could then do what AUR items allow: give you better match SP rewards to shorten the grind to cap out.

The main affect is to allow players to carry over some active SP they didn't earn yet (to a point) whilst removing the concept of a reset day. The cap on the pool size means that players who rarely cap out won't see an every increasing SP pool.

Okay onto the bones of the subject

Rollover SP system.

I know we all want it but do we 'really' want it?

The fantasy that we could grind away that extra SP whenever we want instead of being leashed by the neck from week to week is a wonderful idea indeed.

However, there are down sides to such system while a hard core cap week to week player may not notice this a semi casual might feel as if he's been further burdened that he may never catch up? End of match screen pops up and declares he has 2 million bonus SP to claim that he can only seemingly claim 2k at a time? The notion of grind sets in and in the end becomes a disheartening thing. A wall, a contributor to the http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/2335016192_44938cf481_o.jpg syndrome and something that may just drive casual players away.

With this in mind would still want the roll over system?
How would you address the potential backfire?
Can we reasonably introduce the system safely?
Your thoughts on careful design?

Discuss.

Side Note: The 'design' of the roll over system in question is left ambiguous on purpose, so feel free to introduce your solutions or a design of it for the discussion.