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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1442	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community? If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff". However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be? I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others. But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole. -HAND Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5612	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:46:00 - [2] - Quote Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1442	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:46:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 422	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote You run for it. G'wan. I don't favor you for it. Just do it, because you said you wanted one. And yes, I did see you say you don't have time Edit: Alternatively, put a bunch of names in a hat I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4435	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:50:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. Agreed "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 843	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:52:00 - [6] - Quote I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 90	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:57:00 - [7] - Quote Message from Godin: Judge would be fine for this as well. Many pilots also do AV as well (hey, we know our strengths and weaknesses, so why not ), and he has shown that he does in fact have PROTO AV, and can use it (I was the sole survivor of a attack he pulled on me and 2 other bluedots. ******* Wiki Swarms...... Point being, he can do both, and imo is the best option for both.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8132	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM Read / Vid / Stream
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:02:00 - [9] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 555	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:05:00 - [10] - Quote I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? My logi-code.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:08:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM I think KING CHECKMATE can offer a lot to the CPM, so what's your point? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:10:00 - [13] - Quote lol... IWS is an AV grunt. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
DeadlyAztec11 2345	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:13:00 - [14] - Quote Hmm... I want to say yes, but I do know that Iron Wolf Saber backs AV. If judge has proto AV, I suppose he would be impartial. I am going to stay neutral on this. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:13:00 - [15] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
DeadlyAztec11 2345	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:14:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) thing about that is that with both parties nothing will get done, one of the main reasons why the u.s is so ****** Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:16:00 - [18] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Atiim wrote: So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 354	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:20:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:22:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Atiim wrote: So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks no, I just don't want any CPM or any representation for us at all, CCP ****** up with the CIM and the CPM is just as bad.. if anything they need to listen to the forums and not just those select few who bend over for them. Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013

Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 231	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:25:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) If you had the support of the community behind you and genuinely wanted to help the balance of the game from an AV and Vehicle based perspective then I don't see why not. This isn't an "Us vs. Them" situation where we need an opposing counterpoint for everyone that is for or against a certain issue, we should be nominating people that will push the game in a positive direction, are active in the community, and bring with them a wealth of knowledge on whatever subject they're being nominated for. Quote: Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Why ignore the third option? Independents exist for a reason. Judge, from his videos and numerous talks on the subject, isn't a person who is just a "for" vote for every vehicle related buff or change, he's extensively specced into AV and wants the exchange between AV and Vehicle to be meaningful and engaging from both sides of the table. There's no reason to vote for someone who's AV just for the sake of voting for someone AV if you have someone that brings with them a balanced view on the subject matter to begin with. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1428	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:27:00 - [22] - Quote He is going to do both vehicle and av (if he ever gets chosen) "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
CharCharOdell 1698	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:31:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Not unless there is a vehicle purist Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 166	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:03:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. I don't believe this thread is completely pointless at all, it's a valid point and gets us talking about what we might do around CPM1 creation. DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM Totally agree. The role(s) you play in game are not directly related to a job in a CPM. What is of utmost importance is that CPM members help to balance the game, and push it in the right direction. That means you cannot be biased towards your own preferred, in-game play-style or role. If you've solid knowledge of various roles etc., then that puts you in a good position to know their strengths and weaknesses, and therefore what might benefit from a change. But you don't push for change for the sake of making your preferred role stronger. That's broken.
kayn TARON Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:25:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community? If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff". However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be? I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others. But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole. -HAND First off AV is only used when and if a tank or dropship is used, therefore not used nearly as frequently as anything else. The next best point would be that no one wants a forum troll as a CPM anyways, so even if you wanted to run you wouldn't win. Adults whom act like children and troll all day have no business representing anyone, including themselves unless they can present themselves respectfully without trolling as an adult.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2262	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:27:00 - [26] - Quote to be honest, while i am sure some of these people could be good CPMs, I really dont like it when people say "vehicle CPM" or "scout CPM" or anything like that. Honestly, CPMs really need to have experience in a very wide area to understand beyond their class, that and there is the risk of people only wanting their personal class to be buffed and working only on that. just food for thought. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Llast 326 An Arkhos 609	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:32:00 - [27] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: to be honest, while i am sure some of these people could be good CPMs, I really dont like it when people say "vehicle CPM" or "scout CPM" or anything like that. Honestly, CPMs really need to have experience in a very wide area to understand beyond their class, that and there is the risk of people only wanting their personal class to be buffed and working only on that. just food for thought. This Representing the community as a whole is important to the job. Everyone has bias but recognizing where those biases are is part of not allowing them to interfere with representation of an entire community. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 845	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:40:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks I guess you actually took that seriously.... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 175	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:46:00 - [29] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. I do not go full AV, but my focal drop suits are all about taking out enemy vehicles, to do that you need some level of AI proficiency as well or you will simply never make it into position to do any good. With that said if as part of a squad, a pure AV member is extremely effective when protected and chauffeured to strategic points by anti-infantry. Having the ability to blast out swarms and nades to spike damage to kill off HAVs is super effective . Without doubt a slayer vs AV+AI(secondary) are different, as regardless of whether you are a FGer or swarmer, you are replacing your primary weapon with something not meant explicitly for a slayer role, and a FG does not have the speed, efficiency, stealth, or pure RoF that an AR or SCR has when it comes to killing efficiency.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 821	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:48:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Based on this post I can tell what kind of supporter you are plus less then 1% of the player base doesn't represent the community. For Caldari and Amarr faction warfare join State Patriots and help us on the front.

dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:48:00 - [31] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: jenza aranda wrote: to be honest, while i am sure some of these people could be good CPMs, I really dont like it when people say "vehicle CPM" or "scout CPM" or anything like that. Honestly, CPMs really need to have experience in a very wide area to understand beyond their class, that and there is the risk of people only wanting their personal class to be buffed and working only on that. just food for thought. This Representing the community as a whole is important to the job. Everyone has bias but recognizing where those biases are is part of not allowing them to interfere with representation of an entire community. the hard facts are that it is true that is how CPM will effect the game and thats why if there isn't any then it gets no balanced attention and falls into useless and trash. its just basic human nature and no matter how much they want to say or seem balanced they just are not always looking for their favorite way to end up on top, thats why CPM is a bad idea. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 365	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:39:00 - [32] - Quote Jesus Atiim, why are you so angry all the time? Also why do you make so many concpiracys? Judge doesn't want vehicles to be overpowered or flavors of the month. He has stated this several times, which is why he is a good choice. What you think he is just gonna tell ccp to make vehicles overpowered? That's not judge.
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 357	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:10:00 - [33] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. I do not go full AV, but my focal drop suits are all about taking out enemy vehicles, to do that you need some level of AI proficiency as well or you will simply never make it into position to do any good. With that said if as part of a squad, a pure AV member is extremely effective when protected and chauffeured to strategic points by anti-infantry. Having the ability to blast out swarms and nades to spike damage to kill off HAVs is super effective . Without doubt a slayer vs AV+AI(secondary) are different, as regardless of whether you are a FGer or swarmer, you are replacing your primary weapon with something not meant explicitly for a slayer role, and a FG does not have the speed, efficiency, stealth, or pure RoF that an AR or SCR has when it comes to killing efficiency. Since you used yourself as an example let me ask: How many PC's have you been in? And how many corps welcome a guy with AV but no proto weapons or equipment when facing a good team? AV is effective only when there's a vehicles on the other side - and who knows how long a vehicles will remain in play? What if he stops tanking and switches to his proto logi slayer? What are you then but fodder? "Most dedicated AV have proto weapons, though." Then they're infantry with AV capacity - how is that any different then me and my prof V forge and proto nades? AV does not need a seat - it's a waste. But beyond that - any seat that's taken by a specific roled player is dumb. CPM should be the unbiased logic of the community so they can reach our voices closer to CCP - not change things by themselves with there 'dedicated' knowledge. That knowledge only helps them understand to translate - not take over for the community. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:40:00 - [34] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. With that logic, basically anyone who understands assault should also understand heavies, along with scouts, and snipers. And I don't see why if HAVs get a spot, the sole class that it is balanced against should not get a spot. That's like offering North Korea a spot in the UN but telling South Korea to go f*** itself. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 358	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:47:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. With that logic, basically anyone who understands assault should also understand heavies, along with scouts, and snipers. And I don't see why if HAVs get a spot, the sole class that it is balanced against should not get a spot. That's like offering North Korea a spot in the UN but telling South Korea to go f*** itself. Excuse me, but case to explain how you view my logic? Because your response made you look very, very dumb. There are, obviously, different types of infantry. But AV is one role that can be only handled in one or maybe two ways. And now I understand this thread better - you're butt hurt that a tanker could get a spot but not your precious AV. Neither of you will get a spot - Only community role models are getting CPM, not role specific players. Can you name any current CPM whose even really even half decent at the game? You're not even well liked, or considered fondly. You're more on my level - despised for every post. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3103	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:48:00 - [36] - Quote I think we need Sgt Kirk as the CPM for Sgt Kirk related activities. Something desperately needed in DUST. Sgt Kirk for CPM.
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:50:00 - [37] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I think we need Sgt Kirk as the CPM for Sgt Kirk related activities. Something desperately needed in DUST. Sgt Kirk for CPM. I approve of this message. Why not be my campaign manager? CPM could use a troll to get all over CCP's grill. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:51:00 - [38] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Jesus Atiim, why are you so angry all the time? Also why do you make so many concpiracys? Judge doesn't want vehicles to be overpowered or flavors of the month. He has stated this several times, which is why he is a good choice. What you think he is just gonna tell ccp to make vehicles overpowered? That's not judge. What reason do I have not to be angry? And where have I stated or implied that I believe that Judge want's vehicles to be overpowered of a FoTM? In fact, I believe that I've stated quite the contrary. I'm just saying, if we get a Vehicle CPM, we should get an Anti-Vehicle CPM. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3104	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:58:00 - [39] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I think we need Sgt Kirk as the CPM for Sgt Kirk related activities. Something desperately needed in DUST. Sgt Kirk for CPM. I approve of this message. Why not be my campaign manager? CPM could use a troll to get all over CCP's grill. I am in full support of a CPM member that's not a lap dog.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 137	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:05:00 - [40] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) thing about that is that with both parties nothing will get done, one of the main reasons why the u.s is so **** I don't know about that . I can understand about people having representation because some say I talk about those who whine too much , so I will calm down on that part but it just can get so tiresome to hear on a constant basis . I like Cosgar for a CPM position , I don't hide that fact but for an AV representative I'm not sure about that . I really don't see too many people defending AV use so that's hard for me to say . I like Judge because of the un bias nature that he seems to represent as well as his professionalism , he is a True Diplomat . I like Cosgar because he has some great ideals about solving issues and because of his overall knowledge and views that he display , he is a True Diplomat as well , so it's good to have those two in that position . You not only want to have someone that can represent YOU but someone who knows how to problem solve ( there are a lot of issues that need to be solved ) as well as someone who is not bias and can compromise with those in power . People who can get the " powers that be " to see things from different points of view as well as those who can enhance their ideals and help implement them as well as helping the community to be informed and understanding of necessary changes . Yes they also need to have a deep since of restraint in dealing with the community given they way that most speak disrespectfully to others . " BANE** " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:07:00 - [41] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Excuse me, but case to explain how you view my logic? Because your response made you look very, very dumb. There are, obviously, different types of infantry. But AV is one role that can be only handled in one or maybe two ways. And now I understand this thread better - you're butt hurt that a tanker could get a spot but not your precious AV. Neither of you will get a spot - Only community role models are getting CPM, not role specific players. Can you name any current CPM whose even really even half decent at the game? You're not even well liked, or considered fondly. You're more on my level - despised for every post. You couldn't be further away from the truth. There are more ways to handle the role of AV then there are complete roles in this entire game. Butthurt? Why would I be butthurt over Judge getting a spot on the CPM? The only thing I said is that I would also like an Anti-Vehicle CPM on the CPM1 board as well. I just so happened to come prepared for the HAV purist group that I like to label "LOLTank Brigade", along with people who think that AV doesn't deserve or need a spot on the CPM And you say "precious AV" as if I'm an AV crusader who would like nothing better than to OHK every vehicle in sight. In reality, I'm actually quite fond of vehicles. Especially LLAVs. You can like me, dislike me, or make a freaking voodoo doll of me and jab pins into it like your Micheal Myers. I couldn't care. It wouldn't make what I'm saying any more or less true or credible. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:08:00 - [42] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Not unless there is a vehicle purist Why would I want a vehicle purist in the CPM? I wouldn't even want an AV purist in the CPM. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:22:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Excuse me, but case to explain how you view my logic? Because your response made you look very, very dumb. There are, obviously, different types of infantry. But AV is one role that can be only handled in one or maybe two ways. And now I understand this thread better - you're butt hurt that a tanker could get a spot but not your precious AV. Neither of you will get a spot - Only community role models are getting CPM, not role specific players. Can you name any current CPM whose even really even half decent at the game? You're not even well liked, or considered fondly. You're more on my level - despised for every post. You couldn't be further away from the truth. There are more ways to handle the role of AV then there are complete roles in this entire game. Butthurt? Why would I be butthurt over Judge getting a spot on the CPM? The only thing I said is that I would also like an Anti-Vehicle CPM on the CPM1 board as well. I just so happened to come prepared for the HAV purist group that I like to label "LOLTank Brigade", along with people who think that AV doesn't deserve or need a spot on the CPM And you say "precious AV" as if I'm an AV crusader who would like nothing better than to OHK every vehicle in sight. In reality, I'm actually quite fond of vehicles. Especially LLAVs. You can like me, dislike me, or make a freaking voodoo doll of me and jab pins into it like your Micheal Myers. I couldn't care. It wouldn't make what I'm saying any more or less true or credible. Awesome - you don't care what people think. I'm sure you'll win a ton of votes if elections are ever made. And ignoring my snide remarks that you took literal, you could explain what these 'other ways to AV' are? Far as I know, there's Forge, Swarms, nades, RE's and other tanks. But I wouldn't refer tank vs tank as AV. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:23:00 - [44] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Based on this post I can tell what kind of supporter you are plus less then 1% of the player base doesn't represent the community. So me believing that every class including AV should have at least 1 spot on the CPM is wrong? I can clearly see what kind of supporter you are then. And that less than 1% of the playerbase statement is incredibly false.That would mean that only 30-40 people are skilled into AV in this entire game. And even if that statistic was true, that 1% of the playerbase is all that stands in the way between DUST 514 and Tank 514. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:28:00 - [45] - Quote Atiim wrote: Eris Ernaga wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Based on this post I can tell what kind of supporter you are plus less then 1% of the player base doesn't represent the community. So me believing that every class including AV should have at least 1 spot on the CPM is wrong? I can clearly see what kind of supporter you are then. And that less than 1% of the playerbase statement is incredibly false.That would mean that only 30-40 people are skilled into AV in this entire game. And even if that statistic was true, that 1% of the playerbase is all that stands in the way between DUST 514 and Tank 514. yes that is wrong, no kindof "class" should be supported by CPM, they shouldn't have any more effect on the game then other well write w/ reasonable supporting arguments for their feedback on the forums feedback section and they have had way more then that and are driving dust into well dust. DOWN WITH CPM, FOREVER You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1448	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:35:00 - [46] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Awesome - you don't care what people think. I'm sure you'll win a ton of votes if elections are ever made. And ignoring my snide remarks that you took literal, you could explain what these 'other ways to AV' are? Far as I know, there's Forge, Swarms, nades, RE's and other tanks. But I wouldn't refer tank vs tank as AV. There are always people who will dislike you. I don't believe you understand what I'm saying so maybe I should put it in a more broader term for you. Atiim wrote: I could honestly care less if you dislike me me. If you really think that you disliking me will change anything then you can wait in line with the others. You want to know more ways of AVing? Ambush the target "Snipe" the target Hit and Run Corner the target The ye old "yolonade" trick. Saturate the target Orbital Strike the target (though I don't think that would really count as AV) Plasma Cannons Shoot the gunners out of the vehicle, rendering the vehicle near useless. (Only works on DSs and LAVs) etc. etc. etc. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 80	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:36:00 - [47] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs just like what happend with the LOLswarms. i played a few games yesterday where std and adv swarms were in abundance of 2-3 people and thier damage was equivlent to just 1 wykomi thats how big of a gap there is between std-adv-proto AV weapons.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2488	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:06:00 - [48] - Quote CCP -- not CPM -- is in the best possible position to address balance. What we need is the Dev or Dev Team responsible for weapon/role balance to step up, assess, and take ownership. The last thing we'd need is a CPM representative from every conceivable field vocalizing 'official' discontent and impeding progress.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:22:00 - [49] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs just like what happend with the LOLswarms. i played a few games yesterday where std and adv swarms were in abundance of 2-3 people and thier damage was equivlent to just 1 wykomi thats how big of a gap there is between std-adv-proto AV weapons. Why is there a problem with this? I think all weapons should have a similar gap between MLT/STD and PRO. It's called getting what you paid for. Similar to how Complex mods on vehicles make much more of a difference than MLT/STD mods. (Except hardners. Only a 10% increase from STD to PRO tier? Really CCP?) Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1806	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:26:00 - [50] - Quote IWS is prob about as anti vehicle as you can get He already doesnt want vehicles in the game let alone have proto vehicles while infantry keep proto AV

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1456	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:29:00 - [51] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: IWS is prob about as anti vehicle as you can get He already doesnt want vehicles in the game let alone have proto vehicles while infantry keep proto AV Umm. He wants to remove the entire STD-ADV-PRO tier system from all classes. And where has he said that he wants vehicles removed? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1806	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:42:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: IWS is prob about as anti vehicle as you can get He already doesnt want vehicles in the game let alone have proto vehicles while infantry keep proto AV Umm. He wants to remove the entire STD-ADV-PRO tier system from all classes. And where has he said that he wants vehicles removed? All classes? lolno he wants it for vehicles only so they are useless in game With his pointless forums posts and actions
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1460	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:50:00 - [53] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: IWS is prob about as anti vehicle as you can get He already doesnt want vehicles in the game let alone have proto vehicles while infantry keep proto AV Umm. He wants to remove the entire STD-ADV-PRO tier system from all classes. And where has he said that he wants vehicles removed? All classes? lolno he wants it for vehicles only so they are useless in game With his pointless forums posts and actions Considering the "logic" pilots used to say that I'm on an AV Crusade, I'm going to call "BS" on that claim untill you can supply actual proof that he said he want's vehicles removed, as well as a link to the original quote itself. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 936	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:59:00 - [54] - Quote Something most players don't get is that vehicle users (only DS and HAV pilots) have both sides of experience im fully specced into AV and still think its op. What the fox say?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1464	Posted - 2013.11.30 18:06:00 - [55] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Something most players don't get is that vehicle users (only DS and HAV pilots) have both sides of experience im fully specced into AV and still think its op. I'm also specced into AV, and I honestly could care less if the CPM for vehicles is also specced into AV. That's like voting for a Democratic president because he has 1 or 2 similar views as the Republican party, and vice versa. Who's to stop a vehicle CPM from making AV useless? CCP? They fail terribly at balancing. And let's put another spin on things, I am AV but I'm also specced into HAVs. Do you think I'm qualified to make balancing decisions on HAVs? (I don't think Judge will do something like that, but let's face facts. Not every vehicle CPM is going to be like Judge, and Judge won't be the vehicle CPM forever) And I wouldn't trust a pilot to make an unbiased, perfectly balanced decision in terms of AV. Just like pilots wouldn't trust a member of the AV community to make unbiased and perfectly balanced decisions in terms of vehicles. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
kayn TARON Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:38:00 - [56] - Quote Atiim wrote: Xender17 wrote: Something most players don't get is that vehicle users (only DS and HAV pilots) have both sides of experience im fully specced into AV and still think its op. I'm also specced into AV, and I honestly could care less if the CPM for vehicles is also specced into AV. That's like voting for a Democratic president because he has 1 or 2 similar views as the Republican party, and vice versa. Who's to stop a vehicle CPM from making AV useless? CCP? They fail terribly at balancing. And let's put another spin on things, I am AV but I'm also specced into HAVs. Do you think I'm qualified to make balancing decisions on HAVs? (I don't think Judge will do something like that, but let's face facts. Not every vehicle CPM is going to be like Judge, and Judge won't be the vehicle CPM forever) And I wouldn't trust a pilot to make an unbiased, perfectly balanced decision in terms of AV. Just like pilots wouldn't trust a member of the AV community to make unbiased and perfectly balanced decisions in terms of vehicles. Face it no one likes you, nor takes any post you say serious lol. You wonder why you are never invited into squad from most of the big general chats :p I'd invite you just to kick you lol.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1480	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:46:00 - [57] - Quote kayn TARON wrote: Face it no one likes you, nor takes any post you say serious lol. You wonder why you are never invited into squad from most of the big general chats :p I'd invite you just to kick you lol. And I care why? What will people disliking me do? It won't make what what I'm saying any less true or credible. And actually, when I LFS, I do get invited to squads I just rarely LFS in #SAND CASTLES. The only reason I have that channel in the first place is because some of my friends from D3LTA Academy and D3LTA FORC3 decided to go to Molon Labe. I do miss them though. It was fun stealing kills from Eldest and going rambo on everyone just have Katty save my sorry a$$ 10 seconds later. (Also, were you in D3LTA? I swear I remember you from somewhere) My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 78	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:48:00 - [58] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community? If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff". However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be? I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others. But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole. -HAND Judge does both av and vehicles... and IMO you need a person who does vehicles in order to properly represent av. Judge was on a video recently where someone was talking about how they thought that a dropship pilot was always aware of where the forge guns / swarm launchers were when they were getting killed by them and they thought this because they don't use vehicles at all. You need to see both sides of the issue in order to properly represent either vehicles or av, claiming that someone needs to represent the 'av community' simply because others have nominated judge for vehicles is a kneejerk reaction that implies that the vehicle community is somehow biased. We may be a little biased, but ultimately what we'd like is for someone who can represent the issues that are faced on BOTH SIDES, and right now AV is so pathetically easy it's a goddamn joke. Point a swarmlauncher at something, receive kills (maybe), I'd be in favor of buffing av if the only weapon you guys had was the plasma cannon (which takes a LOT of skill to kill vehicles with).
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:04:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Hell no and no that is flawed either way you cut it if you have 2 parties they block each other and nothing ever gets done cough cough the republicans, but if you had 1 party even if it was the one I support it gives them too much power and is the path towards corruption. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2598	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:15:00 - [60] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: Judge would be fine for this as well. Many pilots also do AV as well (hey, we know our strengths and weaknesses, so why not ), and he has shown that he does in fact have PROTO AV, and can use it (I was the sole survivor of a attack he pulled on me and 2 other bluedots. ***** Wiki Swarms...... Point being, he can do both, and imo is the best option for both. Message to Godin. Putting a Vehicle user as a Judge sounds pretty biased to me too. Dont forget people , owning some Proto AV does NOT make you a AV SPECIALIST,same as me owning some tanks wont make me a tanker. Now atiim, i really do appreciate the support, and i AM very flattered, but In around a month as soon as i get the SP necesary i will be ABANDONING AV SPECIALIST ROLE and spec Fully into scouts again. Now i do agree I would, now being mainly a scout and having enough knowledge on AV weapons ,would make me a less biased judge than you XD LOL BUT STILL i have 2 flaws that wont work very well with this position bro. 1- English is not my main language** there by , believe it or not, i cannot elaborate as precisely as a CPM needs to. 2- Even if i can take enough BS,as soon as Biased ''ideas'' of vehicle users pop up , my immediate response is to propose an intentionally Biased AV proposal, mostly for the trolls...and i think a CPM should be more serious than this. just saying : / The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1488	Posted - 2013.12.01 05:55:00 - [61] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Hell no and no that is flawed either way you cut it if you have 2 parties they block each other and nothing ever gets done cough cough the republicans, but if you had 1 party even if it was the one I support it gives them too much power and is the path towards corruption. Exactly my point. With the community's thought procces about having a "Scout" CPM or a "Heavy" CPM, we would be f*ed if we have somebody who is part of one class and not the other. Lets face facts here, Judge won't be a CPM forever, and we won't always have a person like Judge on the CPM. (Especially from the pilot community). If we have both parties on the CPM, then we most likely won't get anything done. If we have only one party on the CPM, then the other party would be screwed because the party in power would make either make themselves "OP" or make the other party "UP". I personally would rather have both parties on the CPM because while we wouldn't be nearly as efficient, we definetly wouldn't create another, even bigger problem. Imagine this, what if an AV specialist got a spot on the CPM but not a vehicle pilot? What if a person known for spamming Locus Grenades while using a medium frame and the ever so infamous "Duvolle Assault Rifle"was given a spot on the CPM (somehow) but we didn't have a person on the CPM who was a seasoned Scout or Heavy? Guess what classes would be fed? (Even more than they already are). Basically, we're fed either way, but having both parties on the board would make us less "f*ed". And please tell me why any class in this game should not get representation on the CPM? Especially one of the most important ones that about a quarter of this game's content is balanced around. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 45	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:06:00 - [62] - Quote Dude, the CPM doesn't want the game to get better, they just want to respec into the flavor of the month. I was convinced the CPM wasnt a joke until i saw some proof in a thread as the whole CPM wanted a respec for infantry because CCP is completely overhauling vehicles.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1488	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:16:00 - [63] - Quote T8R Raid wrote: Dude, the CPM doesn't want the game to get better, they just want to respec into the flavor of the month. I was convinced the CPM wasn't a joke until i saw some proof in a thread as the whole CPM wanted a respec for infantry because CCP is completely overhauling vehicles. Since the Combat Rifle is being released in the next update, I would really need and benifit from a respec because that would allow me to spec out of my "placeholder" and into the weapon that was finally released by CCP. And as much as I want a respec, I won't deny the fact that a respec should be saved for when all of the racial suits are finally released. As for skilling into the next FoTM, I doubt everyone who wants a respec wants one simply for the ability to spec into a FoTM. And with the fact that this game's current skill tree would take around 6+ years to complete (and it's not even finished yet); We will need a respec at some point in time. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3904	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:23:00 - [64] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? I think that trying to compose a CPM of one representative for each playstyle is going a bit overboard. More than him being a vehicle specialist, Judge seems like a guy with a good head on his shoulders and who's willing to take feedback. Besides, I think you can safely lump Vehicles and AV into one package. CCP Wolfman is handling both now, after all, and 1.7 seems to show that he knows what he's doing. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Rusty Shallows 546	Posted - 2013.12.01 07:25:00 - [65] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1542	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:03:00 - [66] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: lol... IWS is an AV grunt. How so? I've yet to see him even comment on AV. Then again, I don't read most of his posts My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:11:00 - [67] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1543	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:17:00 - [68] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. How? KING CHECKMATE's opinions and thoughts are independent of mine. And how can I corrupt anyone? I speak the truth, and only the truth. All of which can be replicated on the battlefield. I wish I could say the same about pilots, especially those who say that PRO AV can OHK their "good" tank My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2679	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:17:00 - [69] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. Still , if AV'ers ever get a CPM, he must know extensively about vehicles and be a True AV'er (Every time you see a vehicle, you go for it). Not a vehicle user that happens to have Proto AV weaponry. Like many tankers calling themselves AV specialists.... Just saying :3 Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:20:00 - [70] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. How? KING CHECKMATE's opinions and thoughts are independent of mine. And how can I corrupt anyone? I speak the truth, and only the truth. All of which can be replicated on the battlefield. I wish I could say the same about pilots, especially those who say that PRO AV can OHK their "good" tank You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:21:00 - [71] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. Still , if AV'ers ever get a CPM, he must know extensively about vehicles and be a True AV'er (Every time you see a vehicle, you go for it). Not a vehicle user that happens to have Proto AV weaponry. Like many tankers calling themselves AV specialists.... Just saying :3 I have proto AV, proto grenades, and a decent eye for Rail Turret shots. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1544	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:24:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:26:00 - [73] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. As it was designed to be knowing you. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2683	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:26:00 - [74] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. Still , if AV'ers ever get a CPM, he must know extensively about vehicles and be a True AV'er (Every time you see a vehicle, you go for it). Not a vehicle user that happens to have Proto AV weaponry. Like many tankers calling themselves AV specialists.... Just saying :3 I have proto AV, proto grenades, and a decent eye for Rail Turret shots. And yet i'll bet you'll do better/Enjoy more with a Tank and i'll do better with AV weaponry. There by , you are a tanker. I am (was) an AV specialist. BTW Atiim cannot corrupt me. I have my way to think stuff apart. Plus attim is not a bad person,he just puts a lot of soul in AV weaponry discussions and shows it. Me; i consider myself cool headed and try to be as unbiased as possible,but when SPR4, Void , or some other Tanker QQ specialist appears they just talk so much nonsense i flip... Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 135	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:30:00 - [75] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. Message from Godin: Nobody should be compared to that *****.......
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:32:00 - [76] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. Message from Godin: Nobody should be compared to that ***....... ** happens...HTFU "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1545	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:36:00 - [77] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. Message from Godin: Nobody should be compared to that ***....... ** happens...HTFU I find that funny coming from a tanker...... My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4500	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:38:00 - [78] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. Message from Godin: Nobody should be compared to that ***....... ** happens...HTFU I find that funny coming from a tanker...... I have active hardeners, I can be as hard as I was (yes innuendo)...... squishy bugs like you go splat when hit by rail gun. Btw why can't I crush people anymore..... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 135	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:43:00 - [79] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. He's not unbiased. No one who calls for blanket nerfs can be. But I think a council with him and KING CHECKMATE would be hilariously entertaining. Might even be productive. No, as much as I like King.....no..... 3 weeks ago maybe, but Atiim compromised him. Still , if AV'ers ever get a CPM, he must know extensively about vehicles and be a True AV'er (Every time you see a vehicle, you go for it). Not a vehicle user that happens to have Proto AV weaponry. Like many tankers calling themselves AV specialists.... Just saying :3 Message from Godin: So any vet pilot that really skilled into PROTO AV (and uses it a lot) would do. Think about it: we see another ADS or HAV get dropped. We meet up face to face, and what do we do. Try as hard as we can to rip it to ***** shreds. No survivors. That would make us know a lot about our vehicles, and their weaknessess, like where they would go if they took fire, routes the enemy can take, etc., and would make us excellent AV'ers. I can say that it does. It's so easy to take out a good 10 mil ISk worth of vehicles in a game solo for me, not because of the PROTO AV, because I can just watch them move and stomp the ** out of them. Not all of us are, but the few who gets it, they really do. To give you of an example of what I have ingrained into my head from a good thousand or so hours of piloting and AVing: Scare away a DS by firing 1 swarm at it. Wait for it to return in in a dive, and fire all three shots at them. Unless they are particularly good at DS piloting, they shouldn't survive. For this, you would want to get as high as possible. Works well on Logi DS's due to harder time coming out of dives, Even more so when they are picking people up due to heavy weight of ship. -notes from Godin's book of vehicle fighting, update 1.6
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 135	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:46:00 - [80] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You don't understand it Atiim you are like the evil version of the empress, you thoughts and ideals are insidious and absolutely corrupting.... No, see that's how pretty much all Amarrians are, including their empress. Please don't compare me to the empress. I find it a vulgar insult to myself to be compared to something as corrupt as that. Message from Godin: Nobody should be compared to that ***....... happens...HTFU Message from Godin: ** happens? Do I have to quote "it"?



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