DUST Search - Anti-Vehicle CPM Representation

Atiim wrote:

Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation

But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community?

If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff".

However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be?

I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others.

But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole.

-HAND

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1442	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community? If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff". However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be? I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others. But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole. -HAND Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5612	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:46:00 - [2] - Quote Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1442	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:46:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 422	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote You run for it. G'wan. I don't favor you for it. Just do it, because you said you wanted one. And yes, I did see you say you don't have time Edit: Alternatively, put a bunch of names in a hat I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4435	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:50:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. Agreed "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 843	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:52:00 - [6] - Quote I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 90	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:57:00 - [7] - Quote Message from Godin: Judge would be fine for this as well. Many pilots also do AV as well (hey, we know our strengths and weaknesses, so why not ), and he has shown that he does in fact have PROTO AV, and can use it (I was the sole survivor of a attack he pulled on me and 2 other bluedots. ******* Wiki Swarms...... Point being, he can do both, and imo is the best option for both.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8132	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM Read / Vid / Stream
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:02:00 - [9] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 555	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:05:00 - [10] - Quote I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? My logi-code.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:08:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM I think KING CHECKMATE can offer a lot to the CPM, so what's your point? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:10:00 - [13] - Quote lol... IWS is an AV grunt. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
DeadlyAztec11 2345	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:13:00 - [14] - Quote Hmm... I want to say yes, but I do know that Iron Wolf Saber backs AV. If judge has proto AV, I suppose he would be impartial. I am going to stay neutral on this. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:13:00 - [15] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
DeadlyAztec11 2345	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:14:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) thing about that is that with both parties nothing will get done, one of the main reasons why the u.s is so ****** Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1447	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:16:00 - [18] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Atiim wrote: So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 354	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:20:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:22:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: walks in ..................Facepalm walks out Atiim wrote: So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks no, I just don't want any CPM or any representation for us at all, CCP ****** up with the CIM and the CPM is just as bad.. if anything they need to listen to the forums and not just those select few who bend over for them. Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013

Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 231	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:25:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I thought Judge was also specced extensively into AV on alts? I'm also specced into HAVs. Should I be apart of the CPM on vehicles? (Not saying Judge is incapable, in fact he's quite the opposite) If you had the support of the community behind you and genuinely wanted to help the balance of the game from an AV and Vehicle based perspective then I don't see why not. This isn't an "Us vs. Them" situation where we need an opposing counterpoint for everyone that is for or against a certain issue, we should be nominating people that will push the game in a positive direction, are active in the community, and bring with them a wealth of knowledge on whatever subject they're being nominated for. Quote: Think about it this way, if we have a Democrat in Congress, shouldn't we also have a Republican? (You may not understand this if you don't live in the US) Why ignore the third option? Independents exist for a reason. Judge, from his videos and numerous talks on the subject, isn't a person who is just a "for" vote for every vehicle related buff or change, he's extensively specced into AV and wants the exchange between AV and Vehicle to be meaningful and engaging from both sides of the table. There's no reason to vote for someone who's AV just for the sake of voting for someone AV if you have someone that brings with them a balanced view on the subject matter to begin with. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1428	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:27:00 - [22] - Quote He is going to do both vehicle and av (if he ever gets chosen) "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
CharCharOdell 1698	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:31:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Not unless there is a vehicle purist Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 166	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:03:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. I would trust Judge to be a relatively unbiased person. We don't even know much about what's happening with CPM1, so this is completely pointless anyway. I don't believe this thread is completely pointless at all, it's a valid point and gets us talking about what we might do around CPM1 creation. DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? It has nothing to do with what they do in game, and everything to do what they can offer the CPM Totally agree. The role(s) you play in game are not directly related to a job in a CPM. What is of utmost importance is that CPM members help to balance the game, and push it in the right direction. That means you cannot be biased towards your own preferred, in-game play-style or role. If you've solid knowledge of various roles etc., then that puts you in a good position to know their strengths and weaknesses, and therefore what might benefit from a change. But you don't push for change for the sake of making your preferred role stronger. That's broken.
kayn TARON Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:25:00 - [25] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ok, so the community has already agreed that they want Judge Rhadamanthus as the CPM in terms of vehicles and it's operation But what about the Anti-Vehicle community? Do we get representation on the CPM? Or is CCP going to ignore yet another part of the community? If AV doesn't get a spot on the CPM, I can guarantee that this could quite possibly make AV the most unused classes, as there would be no way of relaying any problem(s) that might be present within the class as a whole to CCP. Leading to the same problem Heavies and Scouts had to deal with (and are still dealing with) before the "buff". However; If we do get a spot on the CPM1, who do you think it should be? I would run personally, but I have absolutely no time to be apart of the CPM with my college and work. So if I had the option, I would nominate KING CHECKMATE, as he is far more qualified for the position than I, and while I hate to say this so aggressively; he is far more tolerant in terms of "BS" and extreme laps of judgement and/or logic from others. But don't let my idea(s) sway or deter you from nominating someone else, or even yourself as a whole. -HAND First off AV is only used when and if a tank or dropship is used, therefore not used nearly as frequently as anything else. The next best point would be that no one wants a forum troll as a CPM anyways, so even if you wanted to run you wouldn't win. Adults whom act like children and troll all day have no business representing anyone, including themselves unless they can present themselves respectfully without trolling as an adult.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2262	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:27:00 - [26] - Quote to be honest, while i am sure some of these people could be good CPMs, I really dont like it when people say "vehicle CPM" or "scout CPM" or anything like that. Honestly, CPMs really need to have experience in a very wide area to understand beyond their class, that and there is the risk of people only wanting their personal class to be buffed and working only on that. just food for thought. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Llast 326 An Arkhos 609	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:32:00 - [27] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: to be honest, while i am sure some of these people could be good CPMs, I really dont like it when people say "vehicle CPM" or "scout CPM" or anything like that. Honestly, CPMs really need to have experience in a very wide area to understand beyond their class, that and there is the risk of people only wanting their personal class to be buffed and working only on that. just food for thought. This Representing the community as a whole is important to the job. Everyone has bias but recognizing where those biases are is part of not allowing them to interfere with representation of an entire community. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 845	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:40:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: I say, let us have vehicle representation and no AV representation. Let's put AV through 6 months of nerfs and vehicles through 6 months of buffs So basically, your admitting to being an HAV Crusadier who thinks that it's best for the counter of your class to not have representation on the CPM for the sheer sake of being better for six months? You believe that creating Tank 514 and making vehicles the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen for a peroid of 6 months will solve anything? I had no part in the vehicle nerf, so why you are saying this is both misgiuded and irrelevant. But I will guide you in a direction I'm sure you belong in: World Of Tanks I guess you actually took that seriously.... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 175	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:46:00 - [29] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? No - AV should not get a spot. Infantry is the AV role - if you're pure AV you're playing this game wrong or have no aspirations to be any good on a competitive level. Basically - anyone who understands Infantry should also understand AV. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. I do not go full AV, but my focal drop suits are all about taking out enemy vehicles, to do that you need some level of AI proficiency as well or you will simply never make it into position to do any good. With that said if as part of a squad, a pure AV member is extremely effective when protected and chauffeured to strategic points by anti-infantry. Having the ability to blast out swarms and nades to spike damage to kill off HAVs is super effective . Without doubt a slayer vs AV+AI(secondary) are different, as regardless of whether you are a FGer or swarmer, you are replacing your primary weapon with something not meant explicitly for a slayer role, and a FG does not have the speed, efficiency, stealth, or pure RoF that an AR or SCR has when it comes to killing efficiency.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 821	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:48:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Eheh. Is there a problem? Do you believe that AV shouldn't get a spot on the CPM? Based on this post I can tell what kind of supporter you are plus less then 1% of the player base doesn't represent the community. For Caldari and Amarr faction warfare join State Patriots and help us on the front.



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