Also The Amarr suits are always the slowest suits out there on top of that heavy suits are the slowest suits in the game, I'm pretty sure a Gallente Heavy with 600 armor (basically what a Gallente Heavy would be right at the start) will be on par with a Gallente Logistics at 700 hp

What good is shield regen if you suck?

Well i dont know you, but i do pretty fine thank you.
But if you suck i might be able to give you some pointers.

No isk needed . :3

Whoa whoa, slow down. Buy him dinner first.

Why is Armor tanking now so popular.WHAT CHANGED?
is it the HP buff they gave them? NO. Is the ridiculously low Speed penalties.
so now we have logis being as resiliant as a heavy but running at 6.1.
AM i the only one that sees this?
PHYSICAL ARMOR has weight, this weight should be felt.
Also shields need a buff and Reactive plates a rebalance:
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ARMOR PLATES REBALANCE:
MLT-STD : 2% Speed Penalty
ADV: 4% Speed Penalty
COMX: 6% Speed penalty

Now please notice the nerf proposed is not that ABISMAL but fair. Its ridiculous that a Suit can run with 280+ ARMOR HP with a 3% speed penalty (basic A. Plates).ITS MEANINGLESS.Its so small,even SCOUTS are armor tanking now.
I remember before i used to use a COMPLEX KIN KAT on my proto Amarr Assault to compensate the speed los of the armor plate. Nowadays there is no need for this,even with 3 Cx armor plates, the HP gain is so massive that 15% (compared to what used to be 30%) speed penalty is nothing.

REACTIVE PLATES REBALANCE:
GÖªBasic 1 Hp/sec
GÖªEnh 1.5Hp/Sec
GÖªComx 2.5 Hp/Sec

SHIELD EXTENDER BUFF:
MLT: 22 HP
STD: 33 HP
ENH: 66 HP
Compx: 99 HP

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Example:



Thats 467 HP for the penalty of 5%. (From 6.6 down to 6.3)
Seems legit.

Its because the assult rifle and scrambler rifle are more harmful to shields then armor when combat and rail rifle come out it will be balance because they do extra damage against armor

Sgt Kirk: Do you even shield tank?

I have tried running fast regen/regulation assault ck.0 suit (what I originally speced into) when AA was buffed. The range at which you engage doesnt matter. You NEED armor buffer since 1.6 if your are a shield tanker. Armor tankers dont need shield buffers (and can hence stack damage mods in high slots). This is where the true imbalance is derived from IMO.

Aight you muppet of a OP you do know that a suit without inbuild armor reps is not really usefull? In my experience when you fit a assault suit you better put 2 complex reppers on it and 2 plates (gallente assault) while you can just put 4 shield extenders on yours to get very similar results.

2 complex plates= 270HP
2 complex reppers= 12.5HP/s
4 complex shield extenders= 264HP+20HP/s inbuild shield recharge (most assaults have that)


sure i could go overbonk with 4 complex plates (540hp added) but then i have to rely on my squad to repair me the whole time i take armor damage. You choose shields to lonewolf. I choose armor for teamplay. Teamplay>lonewolfing and thats it.

complex plates give 160 hp, just so you know
btw shield regen doesn't matter as shields go down instantly, and have a nice 3.7 sec recharge delay.
cant wait to pwn armor with my rail rifle on my cal assault

That isn't the problem.nthe problem is that it is harder to evade enemy fire due to the (too powerful, IMO) aim assist. Shields were never meant to be able to stand still and compete with armor tankers in a HP/DPS standoff. They are meant to strafe around them, and generally try not to get hit. Unfortunately, the improved HD and Aim Assist make this harder than it should be.

Pretty much this.
And to answer your question Spectral Clone I've done everything in this game.

Then you must know shield energizer/regulators are pretty useless mods since hitdetection got buffed.

Complex armor plates : +148 Armor 5% Speed Penalty
Enh armor plates: +121 Armor 3% Speed penalty

Complex Shield Ext: 72 Shields, no speed penalty
Enh Shield Ext: +36 Shields , no speed penalty

As it is , the difference between Armor and shields is way too massive, the speed penalty is meaningless since AA makes being fast useless. So the one with more HP usually wins, plain and simple. The Cx Armor wins vs the Shields by 76 (So the Cx Gives HP as 2+ Cx Shield extenders combined with a minimal and meaningless speed penalty) and the enhanced wins by 85 (so 1 Enh armor plate equals 3.3 Enh Shield ext,with a nonexistent 3% Speed penalty)

I dont see why you would say that even at ''proto level'' they become equal. They just dont. there is a reason shield tanking has been replaced with Armor tanking,not to mention Dam Mod Stacking needs High Slots,making the decision for competitive players pretty obvious. Dam mods + Armor tank. (More HP, and More Damage)

Why is Armor tanking now so popular.WHAT CHANGED?
is it the HP buff they gave them? NO. Is the ridiculously low Speed penalties.
so now we have logis being as resiliant as a heavy but running at 6.1.
AM i the only one that sees this?
PHYSICAL ARMOR has weight, this weight should be felt.
Also shields need a buff and Reactive plates a rebalance:
|

ARMOR PLATES REBALANCE:
MLT-STD : 2% Speed Penalty
ADV: 4% Speed Penalty
COMX: 6% Speed penalty

Now please notice the nerf proposed is not that ABISMAL but fair. Its ridiculous that a Suit can run with 280+ ARMOR HP with a 3% speed penalty (basic A. Plates).ITS MEANINGLESS.Its so small,even SCOUTS are armor tanking now.
I remember before i used to use a COMPLEX KIN KAT on my proto Amarr Assault to compensate the speed los of the armor plate. Nowadays there is no need for this,even with 3 Cx armor plates, the HP gain is so massive that 15% (compared to what used to be 30%) speed penalty is nothing.

REACTIVE PLATES REBALANCE:
GÖªBasic 1 Hp/sec
GÖªEnh 1.5Hp/Sec
GÖªComx 2.5 Hp/Sec

SHIELD EXTENDER BUFF:
MLT: 22 HP
STD: 33 HP
ENH: 66 HP
Compx: 99 HP

---

Example:



Thats 467 HP for the penalty of 5%. (From 6.6 down to 6.3)
Seems legit.

5% speed penalty would buy you around 100HP before the armor buffs.

No
No
**** NO

99 HP shield extenders?
You know what that means?
Caldari with 750 SHIELDS, that's not even including armor.

That's 10% not 5%.
Each basic is 2%.

You should note that he is a logi.
An assault with 4 basic plates is a terrible fit.

I've been wearing armor plates before they were cool. Gallente run armor.