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Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1281	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1203	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use. What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 353	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:08:00 - [3] - Quote And in two months no one will care... because something else will make you QQ. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 139	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:09:00 - [4] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... I recently bought my 'Templar' gear... i want it to stay... u.u
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 417	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:10:00 - [5] - Quote (Pats Seymour on the back) /Crack open a beer (Passes it to Seymour) Yep. GûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê ]GûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä - Just a bit further... IlGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] ..GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ......GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ xxx xxx xxx
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 464	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:11:00 - [6] - Quote I ... I... You know that they are just taking away some few module bpo's, right? I too wished they brought back BPO's ... I like collecting them! A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 581	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:14:00 - [7] - Quote I say let them keep the BPOs with no AUR refund.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1283	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:15:00 - [8] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: I ... I... You know that they are just taking away some few module bpo's, right? I too wished they brought back BPO's ... I like collecting them! yeah they start with one or 2 see our reaction and if we don't care they remove more. bunch of a$$holes.... Im done if they don't either give me my money or just let me keep them. even for 1.... period... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:16:00 - [9] - Quote Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1283	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. insert witty or profound statement here _______.

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2276	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:18:00 - [11] - Quote You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2276	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:19:00 - [12] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. Refunds seem reasonable though, or at least a credit BPO removed, AUR returned. Refunds for cash are a nightmare to pull off and probably not warranted
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:20:00 - [13] - Quote "You have no right!" Lol No.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 306	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:20:00 - [14] - Quote Welcome to the world of not reading a EULA. They can also completely shut the game down and not refund your money. They also get your first born child. IT'S IN THE EULA! I'm a little gray on that last part.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team. courts have thrown EULA's out before when the company practices bad business. a EULA has nothing to do with actual business laws.... educate yourself before you post. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:21:00 - [16] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. Refunds seem reasonable though, or at least a credit BPO removed, AUR returned. Refunds for cash are a nightmare to pull off and probably not warranted I bought aur to buy bpo's... not to have aur. its false advertisement. its dishonest. and its bad business. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:22:00 - [17] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team. ^This. Seymour, you're just another crybaby on here banging their heels over something you were informed of at the point of purchase. Grow up. Or give me a better laugh by threatening to take CCP to court.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 332	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:23:00 - [18] - Quote I think this is a pretty legitimit complaint here. There need to be some kind of worth while compensation here. Just refunding to Aur value of the suit is not good enough. A hundred dollars for the elite pack is quite a lot of money, and I sure as hell didn't buy it for the Aur and boosters. {:)}{3GÇó>
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1284	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:26:00 - [19] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team. ^This. Seymour, you're just another crybaby on here banging their heels over something you were informed of at the point of purchase. Grow up. Or give me a better laugh by threatening to take CCP to court. lol link the part of the EULA that gives them the right to put "phantom" items in the game to take your money and I need to put up with that.... the bpo's description actually says its permanent. so nice try troll but find another bridge to live under. I tend to ** off the side of the one your under at the moment.. you obviously have no bpo's insert witty or profound statement here _______**.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1285	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:34:00 - [20] - Quote insert witty or profound statement here _______.

Avallo Kantor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:35:00 - [21] - Quote The only BPOs they are refunding are for items that don't exist anymore. What exactly would you have them do? Let you keep a BPO for a non-existent item?
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:38:00 - [22] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team. ^This. Seymour, you're just another crybaby on here banging their heels over something you were informed of at the point of purchase. Grow up. Or give me a better laugh by threatening to take CCP to court. lol link the part of the EULA that gives them the right to put "phantom" items in the game to take your money and I need to put up with that.... the bpo's description actually says its permanent. so nice try troll but find another bridge to live under. I tend to **** off the side of the one your under at the moment.. you obviously have no bpo's Lol, you come across more and more juvenile with every word you enter. If I'm bothered tomorrow I'll dig out the entry. As for my ownership of bpos, however temporary that ownership is, I've multiple copies of them all, bought when they were either 10 or 100 aurum, pocket change either way. I'm due to make a wee profit. Anyway, continue on with you rant. I get a perverse pleasure in reading some of the rancid self entitled bull that permeates these forums. It makes me value those around me with more than two brain cells to bounce around.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1285	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:38:00 - [23] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: The only BPOs they are refunding are for items that don't exist anymore. What exactly would you have them do? Let you keep a BPO for a non-existent item? its just a back door to rob us really.... I understand they are removing the item so why keep the bpo... then give me my money back. or this opens the door to be sneaky about removing the rest of our bpo's. we cant give an inch or they will take a mile. you want my bpo"s ccp? well I want my money! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1285	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:39:00 - [24] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: You'll notice that in the terms and conditions of the game, that you signed to install and play, they have Every right. Removal of BPOs is a necessary part of balancing the economy in this game, especially once markets open up. Take one for the team. ^This. Seymour, you're just another crybaby on here banging their heels over something you were informed of at the point of purchase. Grow up. Or give me a better laugh by threatening to take CCP to court. lol link the part of the EULA that gives them the right to put "phantom" items in the game to take your money and I need to put up with that.... the bpo's description actually says its permanent. so nice try troll but find another bridge to live under. I tend to ** off the side of the one your under at the moment.. you obviously have no bpo's Lol, you come across more and more juvenile with every word you enter. If I'm bothered tomorrow I'll dig out the entry. As for my ownership of bpos, however temporary that ownership is, I've multiple copies of them all, bought when they were either 10 or 100 aurum, pocket change either way. I'm due to make a wee profit. Anyway, continue on with you rant. I get a perverse pleasure in reading some of the rancid self entitled bull that permeates these forums. It makes me value those around me with more than two brain cells to bounce around. lalalalalalalalalalalalala I cant hear you! lalalalalalalalalalalalala insert witty or profound statement here _______**.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:42:00 - [25] - Quote Hahaaaaa, what can I say?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1285	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:43:00 - [26] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hahaaaaa, what can I say? nothing... get the f!@k out of my thread. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1802	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:45:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah, I can't see anyone being happy about losing a BPO. I'd be awful pissed if mine were taken away. If it's about people amassing too much isk then give us things we can spend isk on. I want to repaint my fit -- 10m Isk or 10 AUR please. I want a partial respect -- 100m Isk or 100 AUR please. Don't grief me about the ratios... I don't give a crap they are just made up numbers.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:50:00 - [28] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hahaaaaa, what can I say? nothing... get the f!@k out of my thread. Nope, I'm here till it's locked for ranting or you go away. Lol, cheers for the laugh, and keep them coming. Oh, and by the way, it's not your thread. CCP actually own it, and if they want to get rid of it they can. Lol lol lol lol trollol
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 - [29] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Hahaaaaa, what can I say? nothing... get the f!@k out of my thread. Nope, I'm here till it's locked for ranting or you go away. Lol, cheers for the laugh, and keep them coming. Oh, and by the way, it's not your thread. CCP actually own it, and if they want to get rid of it they can. Lol lol lol lol trollol no I bought this thread.... say no to bpo removal! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [30] - Quote What did ya use to buy it with? Some broken pieces of Liga biscuits from your nappy

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:57:00 - [31] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: What did ya use to buy it with? Some broken pieces of Liga biscuits from your nappy thank you for helping me keep my post on page 1 I appreciate your support insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 134	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:58:00 - [32] - Quote It sounds like CCP's only honest option (as far as business practices go) is to make equivalent items post vehicle changes and if that is too complicated a full monetary refund (or credit to PSN store)
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:59:00 - [33] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: It sounds like CCP's only honest option (as far as business practices go) is to make equivalent items post vehicle changes and if that is too complicated a full monetary refund (or credit to PSN store) crediting the psn store is a fair compensation. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2237	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:59:00 - [34] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. You're an idiot. Sony does not allow you to get a refund beyond psn cash and thats if Sony wants to refund you not CCP.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:00:00 - [35] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: thank you for helping me keep my post on page 1 I appreciate your support No problem Sometimes I give in to my dark side and direct others to point the finger and laugh.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:01:00 - [36] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. You're an idiot. Sony does not allow you to get a refund beyond psn cash and thats if Sony wants to refund you not CCP. kane fyea shut your mouth! I said psn cash was fair... read boy! insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2237	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:02:00 - [37] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. You're an idiot. Sony does not allow you to get a refund beyond psn cash and thats if Sony wants to refund you not CCP. kane fyea shut your mouth! How about you go fuck yourself.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1803	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:05:00 - [38] - Quote Quote: The only BPOs they are refunding are for items that don't exist anymore. If there is a new standard level replacement then exchanging BPO for BPO would be a nicer option. Or, they could identify a range of alternative existing BPOs that might be allowed. Then, you could make return of AUR an option and not offend anyone.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 356	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:06:00 - [39] - Quote Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1286	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:07:00 - [40] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Quote: The only BPOs they are refunding are for items that don't exist anymore. If there is a new standard level replacement then exchanging BPO for BPO would be a nicer option. Or, they could identify a range of alternative existing BPOs that might be allowed. Then, you could make return of AUR an option and not offend anyone. this would be an acceptable alternative as well. +1 insert witty or profound statement here _______.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1287	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:08:00 - [41] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? yes... and I paid real money for it... your point? insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 357	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:13:00 - [42] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? yes... and I paid real money for it... your point? Actually you paid money for Aurum, essentially credit to buy said item, after which you used said credit to obtain said item. Therefore as there is a change to the game that forces the removal of said item, a refund of the credits you used to obtain said item is in order, with which you can use to obtain some other in-game item. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:15:00 - [43] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? yes... and I paid real money for it... your point? Actually you paid money for Aurum, essentially credit to buy said item, after which you used said credit to obtain said item. Therefore as there is a change to the game that forces the removal of said item, a refund of the credits you used to obtain said item is in order, with which you can use to obtain some other in-game item. Nicely put.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 242	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:17:00 - [44] - Quote Its a bait and switch. You are not getting what you paid for. File a grievance with Sony and ask for a full refund. They won't give you cash but they may give you money to buy something else on the PSN with.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 378	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:17:00 - [45] - Quote Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2237	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:19:00 - [46] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Its a bait and switch. You are not getting what you paid for. File a grievance with Sony and ask for a full refund. They won't give you cash but they may give you money to buy something else on the PSN with. This but also remember that if you do get a refund of PSN cash that your dust account will be wiped. If you don't mind that then go right ahead and do it.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 359	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:19:00 - [47] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Its a bait and switch. You are not getting what you paid for. File a grievance with Sony and ask for a full refund. They won't give you cash but they may give you money to buy something else on the PSN with. Given your name it's hard to take this post seriously. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1287	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:20:00 - [48] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. lol so removing my bpo is an upgrade? English must not be your strong point. or at least you definition of "upgrade" or "enhancement" is clearly incorrect... try again kid. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2237	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:20:00 - [49] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. Also don't forget the part where it says that CCP are allowed to remove any paid item as long as they give you something of equal or greater value
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1287	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:22:00 - [50] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? yes... and I paid real money for it... your point? Actually you paid money for Aurum, essentially credit to buy said item, after which you used said credit to obtain said item. Therefore as there is a change to the game that forces the removal of said item, a refund of the credits you used to obtain said item is in order, with which you can use to obtain some other in-game item. Nicely put. I only bought aurum to buy the bpo. I said this. do you read the threads you post in? insert witty or profound statement here _______.

Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 359	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:22:00 - [51] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. Also don't forget the part where it says that CCP are allowed to remove any paid item as long as they give you something of equal or greater value Hence the return of the Aurum used to obtain the time. That is worth the value of the paid item. What you choose to do with it afterwards on the other hand is of your own volition and not CCP's. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 242	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:22:00 - [52] - Quote EULA never overrides consumer LAW. Bait and switch is bait and switch. No EULA will ever be able to say otherwise.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 378	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:23:00 - [53] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I only bought aurum to buy the bpo. You still bought AUR. And they gave you more than you paid for that BPO. So... all good ;)
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:23:00 - [54] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. lol so removing my bpo is an upgrade? English must not be your strong point. or at least you definition of "upgrade" or "enhancement" is clearly incorrect... try again kid. It's you that should try again. The changes will be what CCP deem as beneficial, not you.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 359	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:24:00 - [55] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Does anyone realise that the modules being argued about are BPOs for militia vehicle modules and not vehicles themselves? yes... and I paid real money for it... your point? Actually you paid money for Aurum, essentially credit to buy said item, after which you used said credit to obtain said item. Therefore as there is a change to the game that forces the removal of said item, a refund of the credits you used to obtain said item is in order, with which you can use to obtain some other in-game item. Nicely put. I only bought aurum to buy the bpo. I said this. do you read the threads you post in? Then what in the hell are you QQing so loudly for? Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1584	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:24:00 - [56] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Where did they say they were taking out LAV BPOs? What a dumbass idea....I like it when people think I'm driving a Charybdis, then they drive it and see that it doesn't have 99.99999999999% resistance... ö/\ö :D
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 378	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:25:00 - [57] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. Also don't forget the part where it says that CCP are allowed to remove any paid item as long as they give you something of equal or greater value Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 236	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:25:00 - [58] - Quote And just out of interest Seymour, how much did you pay for your modules that are being refunded?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1287	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:27:00 - [59] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. Also don't forget the part where it says that CCP are allowed to remove any paid item as long as they give you something of equal or greater value giving me back a currency I wont use because they removed the items I bought the currency for in the first place is not replacing it with something of equal value. its like giving some one a coupon for a free dinner to a restaurant that closed down last year. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1287	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:28:00 - [60] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: And just out of interest Seymour, how much did you pay for your modules that are being refunded? 4800 aur.... couple bucks. but ive spent HUNDREDS of dollars on bpo's.... so you can understand hopefully why I am concerned they are beginning to remove some.... insert witty or profound statement here _______.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:30:00 - [61] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Let me read EULA... dust514.com/eula/ Ah that's right: Quote: CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. = Quote: HTFU. Deal with it, and start speccing into something else then. Also don't forget the part where it says that CCP are allowed to remove any paid item as long as they give you something of equal or greater value Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even. giving someone TEN coupons for free dinners at a restaurant that closed last year is not something of greater value..... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2237	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:34:00 - [62] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even. giving someone TEN coupons for free dinners at a restaurant that closed last year is not something of greater value..... You're getting the amount of aur spent on the item. That is an item of equal value to what you bought.
Thanatus Sleep 5	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:35:00 - [63] - Quote Why the hell are guys so ** in not like CCP jack 500$ from you. I put 1,000$ in this game and ask for a better price on Aur gear, Yet guy don't give a about better price. So don't know why guys be right now in losing BPO. Most because we have so many poor ass players in this game. Im a sad merc** Aq-Rg
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 361	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:35:00 - [64] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: giving me back a currency I wont use because they removed the items I bought the currency for in the first place is not replacing it with something of equal value. its like giving some one a coupon for a free dinner to a restaurant that closed down last year. Actually what's going on here is like buying something that turns out to be broken on the fault of the manufacturer and the manufacturer offers you compensation in return for them taking back the item. It's not the manufacturer's fault that you bought it, it's your own since you chose to buy it. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:36:00 - [65] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even. giving someone TEN coupons for free dinners at a restaurant that closed last year is not something of greater value..... You're getting the amount of aur spent on the item. That is an item of equal value to what you bought. are you really this dense? or a troll? I cant take you seriously... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:38:00 - [66] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: Why the hell are guys so ** in not like CCP jack 500$ from you. I put 1,000$ in this game and ask for a better price on Aur gear, Yet guy don't give a about better price. So don't know why guys be right now in losing BPO. Most because we have so many poor ass players in this game. the aur gear is crap... that's why I don't ask for a better price, because instead im asking for better gear. and when they nerfed contact nades, EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT BUY ANY, I scolded ccp for ripping off their customers and demanded some compensation for those who bought them.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!**
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:38:00 - [67] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even. giving someone TEN coupons for free dinners at a restaurant that closed last year is not something of greater value..... You're getting the amount of aur spent on the item. That is an item of equal value to what you bought. are you really this dense? or a troll? I cant take you seriously... I could ask the same of you. I really cant take your childish accusations serious anymore. If you want to be ignorant of the facts me and multiple others have presented to you then that's on you.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:40:00 - [68] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: giving me back a currency I wont use because they removed the items I bought the currency for in the first place is not replacing it with something of equal value. its like giving some one a coupon for a free dinner to a restaurant that closed down last year. Actually what's going on here is like buying something that turns out to be broken on the fault of the manufacturer and the manufacturer offers you compensation in return for them taking back the item. It's not the manufacturer's fault that you bought it, it's your own since you chose to buy it. except its not broken, it just works to well. and they sneak into your house while you sleep and steal it back and in its place leave a pile of excrement. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:41:00 - [69] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: Precisely. And they gave them more AUR than they deserve even. giving someone TEN coupons for free dinners at a restaurant that closed last year is not something of greater value..... You're getting the amount of aur spent on the item. That is an item of equal value to what you bought. are you really this dense? or a troll? I cant take you seriously... I could ask the same of you. I really cant take your childish accusations serious anymore. If you want to be ignorant of the facts me and multiple others have presented to you then that's on you. fine. if your done get out of my thread. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:42:00 - [70] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I could ask the same of you. I really cant take your childish accusations serious anymore. If you want to be ignorant of the facts me and multiple others have presented to you then that's on you. fine. if your done get out of my thread. No I'll stay here however long I want. Also, as someone else has already stated, this thread is owned by CCP not you.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:43:00 - [71] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I could ask the same of you. I really cant take your childish accusations serious anymore. If you want to be ignorant of the facts me and multiple others have presented to you then that's on you. fine. if your done get out of my thread. No I'll stay here however long I want. good I could use the bumps. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 76	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:43:00 - [72] - Quote lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 362	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:43:00 - [73] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: giving me back a currency I wont use because they removed the items I bought the currency for in the first place is not replacing it with something of equal value. its like giving some one a coupon for a free dinner to a restaurant that closed down last year. Actually what's going on here is like buying something that turns out to be broken on the fault of the manufacturer and the manufacturer offers you compensation in return for them taking back the item. It's not the manufacturer's fault that you bought it, it's your own since you chose to buy it. except its not broken, it just works to well. and they sneak into your house while you sleep and steal it back and in its place leave a pile of excrement. You are far too blinded by unfounded rage to see reason. Continue your ranting and raving. You can keep your useless BPOs if that is what you so desire instead of getting Aurum back for something you could at least use. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:43:00 - [74] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: Why the hell are guys so ** in not like CCP jack 500$ from you. I put 1,000$ in this game and ask for a better price on Aur gear, Yet guy don't give a about better price. So don't know why guys be ** right now in losing BPO. Most because we have so many poor ass players in this game. I've only spent Gé¼50, but if 1.7 and the FW changes after are good, I'll spend plenty more. You've paid alot, and regardless of why, I've to say thanks, thanks for being one of the mmany paying for development of a game I love.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:45:00 - [75] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy. The only BPOs that are being removed are some of the vehicle module ones and the reason why they are removing them is because those modules simply won't exist after 1.7.
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 243	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:46:00 - [76] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: I put 1,000$ in this game Da Fuq..... I have no words... /facepalm
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:47:00 - [77] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy. The only BPOs that are being removed are some of the vehicle module ones and the reason why they are removing them is because those modules simply won't exist after 1.7. They are also getting a refund for it anyways. and that opens the door for them to remove your other bpo stuff later.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 362	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:49:00 - [78] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy. The only BPOs that are being removed are some of the vehicle module ones and the reason why they are removing them is because those modules simply won't exist after 1.7. Hence why this guy's QQ is ridiculous. He's basically petitioning to keep Militia modules that are worth like 1 second worth of game time, not even standard. The BPO Sagas are sticking around as well as the rare Gurista Saga. Those are not going to change as there is no reason for them to change. That would be like saying they're changing the rate of fire on the SMG so instead of adjusting my 'Toxin' they simply get rid of it and refund me for it. These things are going to cease to exist in the game altogether. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Thanatus Sleep 5	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:56:00 - [79] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: Why the hell are guys so ** in not like CCP jack 500$ from you. I put 1,000$ in this game and ask for a better price on Aur gear, Yet guy don't give a about better price. So don't know why guys be right now in losing BPO. Most because we have so many poor ass players in this game. the aur gear is crap... that's why I don't ask for a better price, because instead im asking for better gear. and when they nerfed contact nades, EVEN THOUGH I DIDNT BUY ANY, I scolded ccp for ripping off their customers and demanded some compensation for those who bought them.... Is crap to you. Other player used Aur BPC gear for fun you know, some of the gear have great names and camo. What I'm seeing now is the same player that don't give a about better Aur BPC pricing; Bing about spending real money on buying AUR than using so AUR to buy BPO ask for real world money back because now CCP taking back so BPO and refunding AUR back to player. This is Fing fun to me, Dust a free to play for poor ass player. Im a sad merc** Aq-Rg
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1674	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:00:00 - [80] - Quote You spent real money on a free game? Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Thanatus Sleep 6	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:03:00 - [81] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You spent real money on a free game? If you like something you put money into it, unless your a cheap ass or a kid. *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Jason Pearson 3119	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:03:00 - [82] - Quote See, I'd be a bad game developer because I'd just remove your **** without giving you a refund.. That said, I'd also walk around with god mode and insanely strong weapons using an arnie soundboard, while talking to the enemy team. Probably why I'm not a dev.. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Only 120 Characters? Aww ¬_¬
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:07:00 - [83] - Quote do you kick and scream like this at home too, when mommy grounds you from your car keys?
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:14:00 - [84] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:14:00 - [85] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol I noticed that too lol.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1289	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:18:00 - [86] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol I noticed that too lol. lol I didn't change anything... must have been ccp... at least they heard me SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:18:00 - [87] - Quote I should be asleep but it's been hard to while chuckling to myself at the thread progression. WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. TUNE IN WITH YOUR TINFOIL HAT AND FIND OUT lol
Thanatus Sleep 6	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:24:00 - [88] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol I noticed that too lol. lol I didn't change anything... must have been ccp... at least they heard me Edited by: CCP Frame So it was The Frame *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:29:00 - [89] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol I noticed that too lol. lol I didn't change anything... must have been ccp... at least they heard me Edited by: CCP Frame So it was The Frame Good spot, I didn't see that at all. I'll blame my lack of sleep. Good on ya Frame. Well Seymor, at least ya have proof the blues read the title
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1294	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:40:00 - [90] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Haha Seymour, even though you changed the thread title in the last few minutes from the childish rant that it was to this civilized title, you're going to have to edit you main post to start covering your tracks. Lol I noticed that too lol. lol I didn't change anything... must have been ccp... at least they heard me Edited by: CCP Frame So it was The Frame Good spot, I didn't see that at all. I'll blame my lack of sleep. Good on ya Frame. Well Seymor, at least ya have proof the blues read the title and that does bring me some degree of satisfaction. but I still turn my back on new eden if they screw me... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:19:00 - [91] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: See, I'd be a bad game developer because I'd just remove your ** without giving you a refund.. That said, I'd also walk around with god mode and insanely strong weapons using an arnie soundboard, while talking to the enemy team. Probably why I'm not a dev.. that's why youre a basement dweller instead of a game dev, or a person of any other employment... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!**
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:20:00 - [92] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy. The only BPOs that are being removed are some of the vehicle module ones and the reason why they are removing them is because those modules simply won't exist after 1.7. Hence why this guy's QQ is ridiculous. He's basically petitioning to keep Militia modules that are worth like 1 second worth of game time, not even standard. The BPO Sagas are sticking around as well as the rare Gurista Saga. Those are not going to change as there is no reason for them to change. That would be like saying they're changing the rate of fire on the SMG so instead of adjusting my 'Toxin' they simply get rid of it and refund me for it. These things are going to cease to exist in the game altogether. read animal farm (if you read books) then maybe you can understand the concept of how bad policy creeps in with subtle changes.. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1495	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:22:00 - [93] - Quote TIL people don't read contracts... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1724	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:23:00 - [94] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... I recently bought my 'Templar' gear... i want it to stay... u.u Exactly!!!!! I've grown quite fond of my Templar gear and other various BPOs that I have purchased!!!! "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 379	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:39:00 - [95] - Quote How much did you pay originally for that militia LAV? Like, a cheeseburger price? Now they give you a lot more cheeseburgers.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1301	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:03:00 - [96] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1310	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:00:00 - [97] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:45:00 - [98] - Quote
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 330	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:15:00 - [99] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots Yeah, but I actually have several of the BPOs they are removing and use them all the time. Keeping the current BPOs honestly wouldn't hurt vehicle balance in the slightest, they just don't want to change numbers on them. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 243	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:09:00 - [100] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots Yeah, but I actually have several of the BPOs they are removing and use them all the time. Keeping the current BPOs honestly wouldn't hurt vehicle balance in the slightest, they just don't want to change numbers on them. Sorry, but leaving the modules in WILL hurt the idea that CCP are trying to push. Passive resistance modules are being removed so that vehicles using active resistance have windows of opportunity. I empathise with you that you have builds that are what you use now, but unfortunately for the greater good you are going to have to change. Lol, in saying that I'm not fully convinced CCP's new vehicle plan is the right way, but it's sounding good enough at the moment as a foundation to build on. Just a few more weeks and we get to dig in an have a go at it

Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 268	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:15:00 - [101] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: I say let them keep the BPOs with no AUR refund. NO! The last thing I need is more junk in my inventory that is theoretically valuable, but which I can't use or even sell until the player market opens (i.e., possibly never). I'd sooner have a functional BPO, but failing that the AUR is a reasonable compromise.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1255	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:17:00 - [102] - Quote This is pathetic. I know the DEVs have seen this thread and yet they refuse to comment. If you take a look at the OP, it even says edited by CCP Frame! I even have a picture in-case Seymore edits his OP without noticing that his post was edited by a DEV. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 55	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:19:00 - [103] - Quote I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed. EG Remove Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO Still in game, suit modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages Shocked It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back. If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported .
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 243	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:33:00 - [104] - Quote Atiim wrote: This is pathetic. I know the DEVs have seen this thread and yet they refuse to comment. If you take a look at the OP, it even says edited by CCP Frame! I even have a picture in-case Seymore edits his OP without noticing that his post was edited by a DEV. I don't mind them them not commenting as I actually agree with what they've done. But it would be a bit of a balm for people to get some response And the title edit by Frame Seymor knows about as do a few others. What you mightn't know if you haven't been following this thread is that posts making reference to the fact the title was edited by Frame have been removed, as have two bump posts by Seymor. There was nothing malicious or ranty in our posts about the title edit, just Seymor, myself and another poster pointing at it and having a laugh, so I'm at a loss as to why they were removed. Lol, come to think of it this post will probably be removed now due to me talking about it The first rule of Forum Ninja Editing Club is, you do not talk about Forum Ninja Editing Club
KROM3-XX Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:45:00 - [105] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Atiim wrote: This is pathetic. I know the DEVs have seen this thread and yet they refuse to comment. If you take a look at the OP, it even says edited by CCP Frame! I even have a picture in-case Seymore edits his OP without noticing that his post was edited by a DEV. I don't mind them them not commenting as I actually agree with what they've done. But it would be a bit of a balm for people to get some response And the title edit by Frame Seymor knows about as do a few others. What you mightn't know if you haven't been following this thread is that posts making reference to the fact the title was edited by Frame have been removed, as have two bump posts by Seymor. There was nothing malicious or ranty in our posts about the title edit, just Seymor, myself and another poster pointing at it and having a laugh, so I'm at a loss as to why they were removed. Lol, come to think of it this post will probably be removed now due to me talking about it The first rule of Forum Ninja Editing Club is, you do not talk about Forum Ninja Editing Club BUMP Just for this reason
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:15:00 - [106] - Quote Please explain to me why CCP help you after being such an indignant cretin? 'Insert witty signature here'
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 107	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:48:00 - [107] - Quote with all the editing/stealth editing and secret involvement of the devs - has anyone else noticed a dearth of "respec!" threads? I would have thought the forums would be swimming in them since the vehicle respec announcement. Are ccp removing them as soon as they appear I wonder? (im easy by the way, would just as soon not have one as have one)
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 129	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:48:00 - [108] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed. EG Remove the stated Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO which exists in game, modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Day Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back. If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported . Example, when you purchase a shirt which you are not satisfied with, you can take it back, get it EXCHANGED for another shirt, money back or get something else of a similar value in return WHAT U WANT! and NOT WHAT THEY FORCE YOU INTO ACCEPTING! This. I can has ISK
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 129	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:51:00 - [109] - Quote jin foxdale wrote: with all the editing/stealth editing and secret involvement of the devs - has anyone else noticed a dearth of "respec!" threads? I would have thought the forums would be swimming in them since the vehicle respec announcement. Are ccp removing them as soon as they appear I wonder? (im easy by the way, would just as soon not have one as have one) A pretty well worded and balanced thread that was created by a guy on why CCP MUST offer us an alternative to an aurumn refund because it is within out rights as a consumer to decide and agree uporn the reimbursement we receive was deleted by a DEV entirely. This is the sort of underhand tactics CCP play. I can has ISK
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1125	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:07:00 - [110] - Quote CCP can't give you real money, because buying Aurum is a transaction you make on the PSN. And you get it from Sony. If you're not happy with it: Go to Sony. CCP is doing the best they can and I think it's fair. Because you used the Aurum you bought to get BPOs. Now they remove the BPOs they give you back your Aurum. It doesn't matter what you bought it for. You bought Aurum and not the BPOs directly. Also: I too bought Aurum and used it to get BPOs. I too won't spend real money on items which are used. What you want, getting your money back for part of your Aurum purchase, just isn't possible no matter how hard you QQ. Quote: A pretty well worded and balanced thread that was created by a guy on why CCP MUST offer us an alternative to an aurumn refund because it is within out rights as a consumer to decide and agree uporn the reimbursement we receive was deleted by a DEV entirely. This is the sort of underhand tactics CCP play. Ok. You can now chose between 100 Quafe Suits and getting your Aurum back. CCP isn't forced to offer you a decision. They are not required to offer you an alternative. They do the fairest they can: Giving you your Aurum back you used on an item which is now not longer available. I don't even know how you manage it to QQ about something like this.

Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 246	Posted - 2013.11.22 15:59:00 - [111] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: NomaDz 2K wrote: I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed. EG Remove the stated Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO which exists in game, modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Day Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back. If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported . Example, when you purchase a shirt which you are not satisfied with, you can take it back, get it EXCHANGED for another shirt, money back or get something else of a similar value in return WHAT U WANT! and NOT WHAT THEY FORCE YOU INTO ACCEPTING! This. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, ye folks crack me up. What Yelhsa, your own thread turn not get the reaction ya want, to many people pointing the fingure and laughing, that you came over here to sprout more bull . NomaDz, you actually give an example and then just fall apart trying to push it the way you want Far enough, methods defer the world over but I feel fairly confident in saying that there is a commonality to most from dealing with alot of nationalities. There is an issue with something you bought, in our case it doesn't work anymore post 1.7. You return the item, with proof of purchase which isn't an issue here, and in most cases can change it for a working version of what you returned. If there no replacement the store will give you your money back and allow you to do what you want with your money. In our case there is no replacement because that item is out of use. You're being given back your money, which in this case is Aurum since that is what you purchased the item with. The fact you can't deal with that is really comical. Many people have said all this already but ye lot of thumb suckers just don't seem to get it. CCP are doing the right thing in my view, and in the view of alot of other BPO owners, but explaining this stuff to ye is entertaining as I know ye are just going to rage harder. I think I'll put my feet up, crack a beer, and follow your bull in comfort.
Saheiji The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.11.22 16:02:00 - [112] - Quote CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. This goes for any nerf, the upcoming BPO removal, and respec requests after skills or items being changed. Everyone accepted this before they started playing DUST 514. So, before any further QQ, please read these again: Terms of Use EULA
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 540	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:02:00 - [113] - Quote So what items are they removing exactly?!
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 246	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:24:00 - [114] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: So what items are they removing exactly?! Four BPOs and each of them are being reimbursed at 4800 Aurum. Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates BPO Militia Shield Regenerator BPO Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier BPO Militia Power Diagnostic System BPO All the rest here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1513116
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2141	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:03:00 - [115] - Quote First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund. That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases. Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's. I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 73	Posted - 2013.11.22 19:46:00 - [116] - Quote \|/\\| B U M P \|/\\|
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 366	Posted - 2013.11.22 19:48:00 - [117] - Quote Atiim wrote: Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use. What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? Please don't come to my house. *Assassination is my thing.*
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 1	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:01:00 - [118] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund. That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases. Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's. I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go. I wish I could address this post with my main, whom they banned for speaking loudly but civily on this issue. legal right or not it is bad business... and they've lost mine. there have been many companies who thought they had the legal end covered before executing an action, and still lose a crushing courtroom battle....ccp are not any less susceptible to missing an angle that gets them sued successfully... thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion. they don't respect you, or us. they don't deserve our support or business....
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 282	Posted - 2013.11.22 23:52:00 - [119] - Quote Atiim wrote: Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use. What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? ******* idiot. It would be more like you buy rechargeable batteries from a toy company for a toy. The toy company then updates that toy for you for free and tells you that the new toy won't be compatible with the rechargeable batteries you bought and gives you back the money you spent on the rechargeable batteries. Not replacing them with one use batteries...
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 14	Posted - 2013.11.23 00:30:00 - [120] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Atiim wrote: Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use. What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? ******* idiot. It would be more like you buy rechargeable batteries from a toy company for a toy. The toy company then updates that toy for you for free and tells you that the new toy won't be compatible with the rechargeable batteries you bought and gives you back the money you spent on the rechargeable batteries. Not replacing them with one use batteries... so wait, your saying removing items I paid real money for is an update? you people don't seem to realize we only bought aurum to get bpo's.... aur is useless to us. the aur gear sucks. boosters are fine but they don't last forever like bpo's and some of us don't use or need boosters anymore....

DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 68	Posted - 2013.11.23 01:45:00 - [121] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. Refunds seem reasonable though, or at least a credit BPO removed, AUR returned. Refunds for cash are a nightmare to pull off and probably not warranted I bought aur to buy bpo's... not to have aur. its false advertisement. its dishonest. and its bad business. Hellz yeah buddy, I'm not falling for the ol'baitnswitch! Go make a ad saying " get your bpo's while you can" Two weeks later, " um how bout we keep your money an give you fake in game currency , not the real cash you spent; sound good to you?" Man fuuuk that, gtfOUTTAHERE LMAO. I mean for real, talk about snakes in the grass!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.11.23 05:25:00 - [122] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots your a fool.... the point is real money was spent and real money should be refunded. don't be an idiot. but if you want to be dumb then you pay us back. Refunds seem reasonable though, or at least a credit BPO removed, AUR returned. Refunds for cash are a nightmare to pull off and probably not warranted I bought aur to buy bpo's... not to have aur. its false advertisement. its dishonest. and its bad business. Hellz yeah buddy, I'm not falling for the ol'baitnswitch! Go make a ad saying " get your bpo's while you can" Two weeks later, " um how bout we keep your money an give you fake in game currency , not the real cash you spent; sound good to you?" Man fuuuk that, gtfOUTTAHERE LMAO. I mean for real, talk about snakes in the grass! sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2144	Posted - 2013.11.23 06:40:00 - [123] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion. they don't respect you, or us. Not true. They specifically added the "We have no plans to touch other BPO's at this time" bit because of the CPM feedback to the original posts. And they're not going to touch those BPO's until whatever plan they come up with is solid, which they intend to talk to us about before they solidify it. (Which you can be pretty damn sure we're going to do everything we can to keep the purchase 'worth it') Speaking personally out of speculation now : (Since CCP has not said anywhere in public or privately to the CPM that they are going to touch BPO's in people's inventories) Going by how much CCP has always disliked how BPO's and T2 BPO's worked out in eve, I highly doubt that CCP is going to let these items continue to exist. They removed them from the market to stem the flow of a 'problem item', but permanent combat assets in a game that is largely driven by the concept of consumable goods..... are just never going to be healthy for the game. One could argue that by creating a cost for use (IE: Manufacturing) that they would no longer be a problem, but this is not the case, as in order to make such a permanent item 'worth it' it would need to be somehow better or more attractive than a F2P manufactured item, unless CCP was going to do something -insanely stupid- such as create a paywall where only BPO owners could manufacture and BPO's could only be attained through Aur/Secondary market. (I don't see that happening, btw) My gut tells me that the end result is going to be the removal of all BPOs. Therefore, rather than complain about an inevitable result, you should direct your efforts into telling CCP what WOULD make your purchase 'Worth it' if you can't have a permanent battle asset. This is a much more constructive approach to a problem that is very real. Without feedback to this end, it's -very- likely that the approach CCP takes will be un-ideal, if they don't have acceptable and attractive alternatives presented to them by the community. (Personally, I think Suit & weapon vanity skins, and possibly weapon mods wouldn't be obtrusive as AUR BPO's, so long as you still required to pay full ISK price for the combat asset itself.) You want CCP to give you your money's worth? Tell them how, instead of complaining about something neither you or I can change.
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:32:00 - [124] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion. they don't respect you, or us. Not true. They specifically added the "We have no plans to touch other BPO's at this time" bit because of the CPM feedback to the original posts. And they're not going to touch those BPO's until whatever plan they come up with is solid, which they intend to talk to us about before they solidify it. (Which you can be pretty damn sure we're going to do everything we can to keep the purchase 'worth it') Speaking personally out of speculation now : (Since CCP has not said anywhere in public or privately to the CPM that they are going to touch BPO's in people's inventories) Going by how much CCP has always disliked how BPO's and T2 BPO's worked out in eve, I highly doubt that CCP is going to let these items continue to exist. They removed them from the market to stem the flow of a 'problem item', but permanent combat assets in a game that is largely driven by the concept of consumable goods..... are just never going to be healthy for the game. One could argue that by creating a cost for use (IE: Manufacturing) that they would no longer be a problem, but this is not the case, as in order to make such a permanent item 'worth it' it would need to be somehow better or more attractive than a F2P manufactured item, unless CCP was going to do something -insanely stupid- such as create a paywall where only BPO owners could manufacture and BPO's could only be attained through Aur/Secondary market. (I don't see that happening, btw) My gut tells me that the end result is going to be the removal of all BPOs. Therefore, rather than complain about an inevitable result, you should direct your efforts into telling CCP what WOULD make your purchase 'Worth it' if you can't have a permanent battle asset. This is a much more constructive approach to a problem that is very real. Without feedback to this end, it's -very- likely that the approach CCP takes will be un-ideal, if they don't have acceptable and attractive alternatives presented to them by the community. (Personally, I think Suit & weapon vanity skins, and possibly weapon mods wouldn't be obtrusive as AUR BPO's, so long as you still required to pay full ISK price for the combat asset itself.) You want CCP to give you your money's worth? Tell them how, instead of complaining about something neither you or I can change. if ccp would have presented it the way you just did I may not be so salty... instead they said we keep them encouraged people to buy them before their removal from the market, and then just announced they are removing a handful of militia module bpo's claiming they wont be useful after 1.7 but glazing over the part where they consciously decided to make the changes to make them useless. it was dishonest. how can I feel safe spending money on a company I cant trust? 2 things would make my purchase worth it... a psn credit (refund) a bpo of the new module to replace the ones they are removing SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 191	Posted - 2013.11.23 08:33:00 - [125] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's you have no right! I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp not to have AUR... so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH! I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this? lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now..... ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S! and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524382#post1524382
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1748	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:30:00 - [126] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed. EG Remove the stated Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO which exists in game, modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Day Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back. If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported . Example, when you purchase a shirt which you are not satisfied with, you can take it back, get it EXCHANGED for another shirt, money back or get something else of a similar value in return WHAT U WANT! and NOT WHAT THEY FORCE YOU INTO ACCEPTING! PURE GENIUS I TELL YOU!!!!!!! This person has the right idea!!!! "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 70	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:36:00 - [127] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund. That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases. Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's. I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go. "Handed poorly" really dude that's the best you got? How about they flat out robbed us! You mean to tell us that in the month it took to plan a sale on bpo then revoke it a month later wasn't premeditated ? Wake up!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 217	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:40:00 - [128] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: "Handed poorly" really dude that's the best you got? How about they flat out robbed us! You mean to tell us that in the month it took to plan a sale on bpo then revoke it a month later wasn't premeditated ? Wake up! YAH! wake up sheeple!!!! theres no such thing as incompetance theres no such thing as poor communication between departments theres no such thing as poor forsight malisious intent is ALWAYS the ONLY answer
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2149	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:34:00 - [129] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: if ccp would have presented it the way you just did I may not be so salty... instead they said we keep them encouraged people to buy them before their removal from the market, and then just announced they are removing a handful of militia module bpo's claiming they wont be useful after 1.7 but glazing over the part where they consciously decided to make the changes to make them useless. it was dishonest. how can I feel safe spending money on a company I cant trust? 2 things would make my purchase worth it... a psn credit (refund) a bpo of the new module to replace the ones they are removing It wasn't dishonest. The sales were encouraged because at the time (And even now) they don't intend to remove the content that was pitched as a "Get it while you can." (My personal speculations from above likely won't happen for a good long while) Rather than choosing to see malice in every decision, you need to accept that sometimes a reality of running a business or managing a product is that sometimes you need to make tough choices in order to preserve the health of that product. Keeping BPO's on the market was one of those choices. Removing the bulk of vehicle modules and variants in general is one of those choices. As an unfortunate result of the latter, people would literally have a BPO that serves no function, or at worst... would be Pay2Win because there would be no isk variant. In the name of balance, they stripped the module availability to get it right at the most basic level before branching out again. (I don't necessarily agree with how this is being done, but I do agree it is necessary) Adding more modules back into the game just to accommodate & preserve the functions of the BPO's would have been adding an unneeded complication to that process. A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Though, One could make the argument that CCP has poor judgement in terms of offering value on their products, citing the hilariously overpriced boosters as a result. Which is why I said in my previous post, It would be most constructive for players to offer solutions and alternatives to removal & refund that are reasonable and would preserve the perceived value of the purchase. As far as your suggestions go : CCP has no power to offer PSN credit. If you have a legitimate complaint (or even if you don't) if you complain to Sony on the phone for long enough they'll give you your money back and inform CCP to remove any goods purchased as a result. In terms of your second suggestion : Do you seriously fail to see how harmful BPO's are to the game and its future, to the point where you do not realize how silly it is to ask to receive another problem item when one is taken from you? You can call it 'Bad business" all you like, but CCP made the right move in terms of removing them from the market this "early". (Personally I think they should've been off the market and out of the game months ago) Even if they don't end up touching existing blueprints at all in the future and all this worrying as for naught, removing them from the market was the right call. One last point : Since while I'm reading all of the threads on the subject, but have chosen this particular thread to post in regarding the "Issue" : I fully welcome and invite anyone who has grievances with this to contact me via skype if they are willing to have a proper discussion about this. If you can provide me with a reasonable and well structured argument that amounts to more than "Bad business" or "I deserve it", You might be able to sway me to your point of view. Further, any such arguments that have merit will be passed on to CCP for consideration, regardless of my personal agreement or not. Especially valuable would be well thought out, reasonable alternatives to complete removal from inventory, that will perserve the perceived value of the initial purchase, like I mentioned in my previous post above. These will absolutely be passed on to CCP, and I will personally hound CCP (and my CPM bros will /probably/ join me) with any solutions that will allow CCP to address BPO's in a way that still makes the money spent "worth it". My skype is nova_knife , and if for whatever reason you prefer to talk to a different CPM member, all of our relevant contact info can be found here : link (Probably best to talk to me though, as I'm the one asking for the feedback/discussions here)
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:23:00 - [130] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: [quote=xLuca Brasi] It wasn't dishonest. The sales were encouraged because at the time (And even now) they don't intend to remove the content that was pitched as a "Get it while you can." (My personal speculations from above likely won't happen for a good long while) Rather than choosing to see malice in every decision, you need to accept that sometimes a reality of running a business or managing a product is that sometimes you need to make tough choices in order to preserve the health of that product. Keeping BPO's on the market was one of those choices. Removing the bulk of vehicle modules and variants in general is one of those choices. As an unfortunate result of the latter, people would literally have a BPO that serves no function, or at worst... would be Pay2Win because there would be no isk variant. In the name of balance, they stripped the module availability to get it right at the most basic level before branching out again. (I don't necessarily agree with how this is being done, but I do agree it is necessary) Adding more modules back into the game just to accommodate & preserve the functions of the BPO's would have been adding an unneeded complication to that process. A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Though, One could make the argument that CCP has poor judgement in terms of offering value on their products, citing the hilariously overpriced boosters as a result. Which is why I said in my previous post, It would be most constructive for players to offer solutions and alternatives to removal & refund that are reasonable and would preserve the perceived value of the purchase. As far as your suggestions go : CCP has no power to offer PSN credit. If you have a legitimate complaint (or even if you don't) if you complain to Sony on the phone for long enough they'll give you your money back and inform CCP to remove any goods purchased as a result. In terms of your second suggestion : Do you seriously fail to see how harmful BPO's are to the game and its future, to the point where you do not realize how silly it is to ask to receive another problem item when one is taken from you? You can call it 'Bad business" all you like, but CCP made the right move in terms of removing them from the market this "early". (Personally I think they should've been off the market and out of the game months ago) Even if they don't end up touching existing blueprints at all in the future and all this worrying as for naught, removing them from the market was the right call. first off I want to thank you for engaging us in this conversation, and choosing my thread to do so in. if I used Skype I would be there but I hope this thread can still be our means to communicate. I am still not seeing how BPO's are bad for the game now. maybe when they were still on the market, and if everyone bought them and only used them I could see the problem. but to be competitive you still have to use ADV and proto gear, and lets face it, the richest people in the game are the proto users in PC (which is a bigger isk farm with its broken mechanics than blueprints could ever be). Since bpo's were removed only a limited number in the community exist , as the community grows the bpo's impact continues to lessen (because a smaller portion of the player base will have them), just like t2 bpo's in eve a lucky few benefit and in spite of this the economy in eve thrives. I realize t2 bpo's require mats to make but they also make billions of isk where dust bpo's get you a few mil in the same time... so giving the same people who already had bpo's a replacement for the new modules wont break the game or the economy. we also must acknowledge starter fits, which are basically bpo's and can be used the same way to farm the same nominal amount of isk. my lack of trust does not stem from paranoia if you look at this thread I posted months ago this is a similar issue: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101211 they did this with aur gear already and now our bpo's they promised they wouldn't touch. a pattern is developing. as for entitlement, well am I not entitled to the things I purchase? I find it dismissive to wave your hand at that, more so that ccp seems to. do they not respect those who buy in to their product? should we not buy anything from ccp since they don't seem to respect those purchases? the only reason these modules will be useless is because ccp chose to make them so... was there no other way to fix vehicles without removing bpo's? continued... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:24:00 - [131] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: It wasn't dishonest. The sales were encouraged because at the time (And even now) they don't intend to remove the content that was pitched as a "Get it while you can." (My personal speculations from above likely won't happen for a good long while) Rather than choosing to see malice in every decision, you need to accept that sometimes a reality of running a business or managing a product is that sometimes you need to make tough choices in order to preserve the health of that product. Keeping BPO's on the market was one of those choices. Removing the bulk of vehicle modules and variants in general is one of those choices. As an unfortunate result of the latter, people would literally have a BPO that serves no function, or at worst... would be Pay2Win because there would be no isk variant. In the name of balance, they stripped the module availability to get it right at the most basic level before branching out again. (I don't necessarily agree with how this is being done, but I do agree it is necessary) Adding more modules back into the game just to accommodate & preserve the functions of the BPO's would have been adding an unneeded complication to that process. A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Though, One could make the argument that CCP has poor judgement in terms of offering value on their products, citing the hilariously overpriced boosters as a result. Which is why I said in my previous post, It would be most constructive for players to offer solutions and alternatives to removal & refund that are reasonable and would preserve the perceived value of the purchase. As far as your suggestions go : CCP has no power to offer PSN credit. If you have a legitimate complaint (or even if you don't) if you complain to Sony on the phone for long enough they'll give you your money back and inform CCP to remove any goods purchased as a result. In terms of your second suggestion : Do you seriously fail to see how harmful BPO's are to the game and its future, to the point where you do not realize how silly it is to ask to receive another problem item when one is taken from you? You can call it 'Bad business" all you like, but CCP made the right move in terms of removing them from the market this "early". (Personally I think they should've been off the market and out of the game months ago) Even if they don't end up touching existing blueprints at all in the future and all this worrying as for naught, removing them from the market was the right call. One last point : Since while I'm reading all of the threads on the subject, but have chosen this particular thread to post in regarding the "Issue" : I fully welcome and invite anyone who has grievances with this to contact me via skype if they are willing to have a proper discussion about this. If you can provide me with a reasonable and well structured argument that amounts to more than "Bad business" or "I deserve it", You might be able to sway me to your point of view. Further, any such arguments that have merit will be passed on to CCP for consideration, regardless of my personal agreement or not. Especially valuable would be well thought out, reasonable alternatives to complete removal from inventory, that will perserve the perceived value of the initial purchase, like I mentioned in my previous post above. These will absolutely be passed on to CCP, and I will personally hound CCP (and my CPM bros will /probably/ join me) with any solutions that will allow CCP to address BPO's in a way that still makes the money spent "worth it". My skype is nova_knife , and if for whatever reason you prefer to talk to a different CPM member, all of our relevant contact info can be found here : link (Probably best to talk to me though, as I'm the one asking for the feedback/discussions here) SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 77	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:19:00 - [132] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: Nova Knife wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion. they don't respect you, or us. Not true. They specifically added the "We have no plans to touch other BPO's at this time" bit because of the CPM feedback to the original posts. And they're not going to touch those BPO's until whatever plan they come up with is solid, which they intend to talk to us about before they solidify it. (Which you can be pretty damn sure we're going to do everything we can to keep the purchase 'worth it') Speaking personally out of speculation now : (Since CCP has not said anywhere in public or privately to the CPM that they are going to touch BPO's in people's inventories) Going by how much CCP has always disliked how BPO's and T2 BPO's worked out in eve, I highly doubt that CCP is going to let these items continue to exist. They removed them from the market to stem the flow of a 'problem item', but permanent combat assets in a game that is largely driven by the concept of consumable goods..... are just never going to be healthy for the game. One could argue that by creating a cost for use (IE: Manufacturing) that they would no longer be a problem, but this is not the case, as in order to make such a permanent item 'worth it' it would need to be somehow better or more attractive than a F2P manufactured item, unless CCP was going to do something -insanely stupid- such as create a paywall where only BPO owners could manufacture and BPO's could only be attained through Aur/Secondary market. (I don't see that happening, btw) My gut tells me that the end result is going to be the removal of all BPOs. Therefore, rather than complain about an inevitable result, you should direct your efforts into telling CCP what WOULD make your purchase 'Worth it' if you can't have a permanent battle asset. This is a much more constructive approach to a problem that is very real. Without feedback to this end, it's -very- likely that the approach CCP takes will be un-ideal, if they don't have acceptable and attractive alternatives presented to them by the community. (Personally, I think Suit & weapon vanity skins, and possibly weapon mods wouldn't be obtrusive as AUR BPO's, so long as you still required to pay full ISK price for the combat asset itself.) You want CCP to give you your money's worth? Tell them how, instead of complaining about something neither you or I can change. if ccp would have presented it the way you just did I may not be so salty... instead they said we keep them encouraged people to buy them before their removal from the market, and then just announced they are removing a handful of militia module bpo's claiming they wont be useful after 1.7 but glazing over the part where they consciously decided to make the changes to make them useless. it was dishonest. how can I feel safe spending money on a company I cant trust? 2 things would make my purchase worth it... a psn credit (refund) a bpo of the new module to replace the ones they are removing /\ The BOLD HIGHLIGHT SAYS IT ALL AKA False advertising Even if they have a good lawyer they will have to settle for a mutual agreement , which means the client is considered the winner due to the fact the client agrees on the type of refund, whereas CCP say you get AUR back, we don't want AUR back we want a BETTER OFFER. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 565	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:41:00 - [133] - Quote So when you boil it all down CCP is removing an infinite use item paid for with cash and replacing it with a once only use item. That's just a terrible precedent to set, for people to accept and typical of CCP. You definitely spend money on this game at your own risk.
STABBEY Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 478	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:49:00 - [134] - Quote Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:19:00 - [135] - Quote STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
STABBEY Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 478	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:48:00 - [136] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:50:00 - [137] - Quote STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out not yet... this opens the door. now all ccp has to do is make our other bpo's useless and everyone will agree with their removal, forgetting ccp chose to make them useless. then they can give us crap in return to replace it that isn't equal and all the cows will moo praise.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
STABBEY Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 478	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:57:00 - [138] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out not yet... this opens the door. now all ccp has to do is make our other bpo's useless and everyone will agree with their removal, forgetting ccp chose to make them useless. then they can give us crap in return to replace it that isn't equal and all the cows will moo praise.... To do that means people will have wasted 100's of $$$ Considering most people only spent money on the 100$ and 50$ packs for BPO's. I personaly dont see how BPO's hurt the game, I do have most of them but I usually just proto stomp these days only use the BPO swarm and sniper so i dont have to spec into them. My Toxin SMG would be the only BPO I would be REALLY mad about losing I've used it on every suit since way back in closed beta. Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 274	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:06:00 - [139] - Quote Just got out of the other thread exactly like this one, so here you go- Dunk Mujunk wrote: Problem is OP, the time to dispute the terms of a contract is not after you have signed it. Creating your character and loging in are as good as a signature, and unfortunately for you, you either did not read the EULA (I sure as hell didn't), or you saw something that you didn't like yet you signed anyway. There is no way around it, and you are going to have to suck it up and deal with it. I'm no lawyer by any means, but if CCP is following the contract they had you sign, and you are the one attempting to wiggle your way out of a possibility that was pointed out and explained before you agreed to the contract, technically you are the one in the wrong, and if CCP wanted to be d*cks about it, they could probably come after you for breach of contract. You told CCP whenever you started playing that you understood they would be fully within their legal rights to do what they are currently doing, and you became a part of a legal binding document. The time to fight this was before you agreed to the EULA, it's to late now man. Sorry.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2271	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:10:00 - [140] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: See, I'd be a bad game developer because I'd just remove your **** without giving you a refund.. That said, I'd also walk around with god mode and insanely strong weapons using an arnie soundboard, while talking to the enemy team. Probably why I'm not a dev.. that's why youre a basement dweller instead of a game dev, or a person of any other employment... Suggesting someone is a loser with nothing better to do, isn't the most enlightened opinion to post on a video game forum. No.

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 85	Posted - 2013.11.24 01:30:00 - [141] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: See, I'd be a bad game developer because I'd just remove your ** without giving you a refund.. That said, I'd also walk around with god mode and insanely strong weapons using an arnie soundboard, while talking to the enemy team. Probably why I'm not a dev.. that's why youre a basement dweller instead of a game dev, or a person of any other employment... Suggesting someone is a loser with nothing better to do, isn't the most enlightened opinion to post on a video game forum. well said! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!**
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:35:00 - [142] - Quote STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out not yet... this opens the door. now all ccp has to do is make our other bpo's useless and everyone will agree with their removal, forgetting ccp chose to make them useless. then they can give us crap in return to replace it that isn't equal and all the cows will moo praise.... To do that means people will have wasted 100's of $$$ Considering most people only spent money on the 100$ and 50$ packs for BPO's. I personaly dont see how BPO's hurt the game, I do have most of them but I usually just proto stomp these days only use the BPO swarm and sniper so i dont have to spec into them. My Toxin SMG would be the only BPO I would be REALLY mad about losing I've used it on every suit since way back in closed beta. you should get your people to speak up if they care about this... the louder they are the better ccp will hear us SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 111	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:44:00 - [143] - Quote so ccp... you can change a thread title but not respond to it? what are you afraid of? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 121	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:10:00 - [144] - Quote SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 80	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:35:00 - [145] - Quote A New Week of BPO Bumps due to the lack of responce from CCP - Tnx CCP for shoving it back into your faces
Audrey2 Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.11.26 00:01:00 - [146] - Quote still no blue tag? ...... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
billy bloodbath2 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:49:00 - [147] - Quote xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out not yet... this opens the door. now all ccp has to do is make our other bpo's useless and everyone will agree with their removal, forgetting ccp chose to make them useless. then they can give us crap in return to replace it that isn't equal and all the cows will moo praise.... I wonder what bpo's they will remove next.... and what about all those aur logi suits now, if you buy them and then they remove the side arm will it be like contact nades? just stuck with a nerfed pos?
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 159	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:00:00 - [148] - Quote Bump, we need a blue post, CCP. Give us some feedback, at least acknowledge that people are upset about this.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 87	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:58:00 - [149] - Quote BUMP
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 276	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:01:00 - [150] - Quote billy bloodbath2 wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: STABBEY wrote: Umm I quit playing for a month and I am very confused on this topic. (Yes I have just about all BPO's Infantry and Vehicle) Som1 have a link to were it details what BPO's are being removed and why? At current I cant think of a BPO that would be useless just by some vehicles being removed. I'm confused, enlighten me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread right there. I see.. They are removing Modules/skills from the game completely So the BPO module basicly wont exist. So why keep the BPO of a non existant module? Got it. Atleast they arent taking any of the good 1's out not yet... this opens the door. now all ccp has to do is make our other bpo's useless and everyone will agree with their removal, forgetting ccp chose to make them useless. then they can give us crap in return to replace it that isn't equal and all the cows will moo praise.... I wonder what bpo's they will remove next.... and what about all those aur logi suits now, if you buy them and then they remove the side arm will it be like contact nades? just stuck with a nerfed pos? If they remove the LW slot things a more complicated this would make most fittings invalid and Logi could at least demand a refund for SPs they spend for LW's as there suit of choice can no longer use them.

dustwaffle Xer Cloud Consortium 687	Posted - 2013.11.27 12:02:00 - [151] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: at least acknowledge that people are upset about this. CCP: Acknowledged. Here's a tissue.
billy bloodbath2 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:34:00 - [152] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: at least acknowledge that people are upset about this. CCP: Acknowledged. Here's a tissue. I don't want a tissue I want: my psn credit or to keep the bpo as a functioning bpo or to get a new version of the bpo make it so!
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 346	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:38:00 - [153] - Quote billy bloodbath2 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: at least acknowledge that people are upset about this. CCP: Acknowledged. Here's a tissue. I don't want a tissue I want: my psn credit or to keep the bpo as a functioning bpo or to get a new version of the bpo make it so! The first two are stupid and you know it. If you don't please repeat the 4th grade. As for the last one, save the aur they are refunding you and buy the new bpos with that! Problem solved. Do you actually use the milita vehicle bpos? Or are you just whining like everyone else in this thread?
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 341	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:55:00 - [154] - Quote billy bloodbath2 wrote: I don't want a tissue I want: my psn credit make it so! Then for the love of god, be the first sensible crusader and contact PSN.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 164	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:05:00 - [155] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: billy bloodbath2 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: at least acknowledge that people are upset about this. CCP: Acknowledged. Here's a tissue. I don't want a tissue I want: my psn credit or to keep the bpo as a functioning bpo or to get a new version of the bpo make it so! The first two are stupid and you know it. If you don't please repeat the 4th grade. As for the last one, save the aur they are refunding you and buy the new bpos with that! Problem solved. Do you actually use the milita vehicle bpos? Or are you just whining like everyone else in this thread? Attacks make your argument and logic look weak, which they are. I will try and put this simply; the only fair action is for CCP to provide equivalency. They need to make equivalent BPOs based on ones removed and the new module system to replace the ones removed. That is the only situation where users are treated most fairly aside from a PSN Credit.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:07:00 - [156] - Quote ............................................................ this is still a issue? I thought I was having issues.......
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 87	Posted - 2013.11.28 19:01:00 - [157] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: ............................................................ this is still a issue? I thought I was having issues....... This is still an issue due to the lack of responce from CCP.
billy bloodbath2 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.11.28 19:10:00 - [158] - Quote BUMP SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 87	Posted - 2013.11.28 19:40:00 - [159] - Quote billy bloodbath2 wrote: BUMP Yez BUMP
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2371	Posted - 2013.11.28 20:16:00 - [160] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: billy bloodbath2 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: at least acknowledge that people are upset about this. CCP: Acknowledged. Here's a tissue. I don't want a tissue I want: my psn credit or to keep the bpo as a functioning bpo or to get a new version of the bpo make it so! The first two are stupid and you know it. If you don't please repeat the 4th grade. As for the last one, save the aur they are refunding you and buy the new bpos with that! Problem solved. Do you actually use the milita vehicle bpos? Or are you just whining like everyone else in this thread? Do some research genius. BPOs are no longer on sale. The ones being removed are irreplaceable. No.

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 322	Posted - 2013.11.28 20:37:00 - [161] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Entitlement? Why is that used as a slur? You have a strange take on the relationship between a company and its paying customers. I am giving CCP my money in good faith for a product I purchased based on how I thought it would operate at the time of purchase. Damn right I'm allowed to feel entitled and you have no right to assert that I should not. Never ceases to amaze me how people will white knight having their own consumer rights manhandled. Just because in the 21st century digital products ALLOW issuers to make changes post sale, doesn't give them carte blanche to ignore 1) consumer law principles or 2) common sense in customer relations.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 169	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:04:00 - [162] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Nova Knife wrote: A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Entitlement? Why is that used as a slur? You have a strange take on the relationship between a company and its paying customers. I am giving CCP my money in good faith for a product I purchased based on how I thought it would operate at the time of purchase. Damn right I'm allowed to feel entitled and you have no right to assert that I should not. Never ceases to amaze me how people will white knight having their own consumer rights manhandled. Just because in the 21st century digital products ALLOW issuers to make changes post sale, doesn't give them carte blanche to ignore 1) consumer law principles or 2) common sense in customer relations. ^This I can has ISK
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 36	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:56:00 - [163] - Quote Oh another one of these threads. They have every right to remove any content they wish including just outright removing entire sets of weapons from the game. If they really wanted to, they could just plan remove medium suits from the game in general and they wouldn't have anything but missing players. Not that their going to , the point still stands. Their getting removed because they no longer exist, or they could just leave the bpo's in there but every time you try and deploy a suit or even fit a suit with the module, the game crashes cause the coding doesn't exist anymore. Which im sure is less infuriating than just having them removed properly. Save the aur, something will come around that you like, promise. Dedicated scout. Because the suit is underpowered. Imagine the good ones when we get buffed people ;)
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2458	Posted - 2013.11.28 22:00:00 - [164] - Quote #17 Posted: 2013.11.26 02:13 \| Report 3 I'm disappointed because CCP encouraged the sale of BPOs immediately prior to their removal. Im not a dev but I imagine it unlikely at that point they couldnt have known some modules were being removed. Anyone who purchased AUR or merc packs, etc at that time specifically for BPOs feel as if they were misled and that this action sets a poor precedent undermining the safety of their other BPOs. How is anyone upset that people wish to protect their investment? CCP could find clever ways to appease the masses by replacing the BPOs with something interesting or unique. They could honor the purchase of the BPO until such a time as we get manufacturing and production costs. They could cap the BPO production capacity or even convert the current BPOs to other militia vehicle BPOs. The could redesign how BPOs function to better interact with the market rather than just axing them. Certainly they can do something better than simply offering AUR that many people bought only for the BPOs in the first place. Simply put, we bought something we were told was special and valuable and if it's removed we should be compensated with something else of a similar value. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 87	Posted - 2013.11.29 20:20:00 - [165] - Quote BUMP
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1021	Posted - 2013.11.29 20:24:00 - [166] - Quote NomaDz 2K wrote: BUMP Forum Rules wrote: 14. Bumping outside the Corporation Recruitment channel is prohibited. The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the Corporation Recruitment forum channel. The Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please review the sticky threads in this forum channel for specific details. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2381	Posted - 2013.11.29 20:30:00 - [167] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Oh another one of these threads. They have every right to remove any content they wish including just outright removing entire sets of weapons from the game. If they really wanted to, they could just plan remove medium suits from the game in general and they wouldn't have anything but missing players. Not that their going to , the point still stands. Their getting removed because they no longer exist, or they could just leave the bpo's in there but every time you try and deploy a suit or even fit a suit with the module, the game crashes cause the coding doesn't exist anymore. Which im sure is less infuriating than just having them removed properly. Save the aur, something will come around that you like, promise. So if they removed all the medium suits, would you post this same defence in response to the inevitable threads objecting to it? No.


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