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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:19:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:See, I'd be a bad game developer because I'd just remove your **** without giving you a refund.. That said, I'd also walk around with god mode and insanely strong weapons using an arnie soundboard, while talking to the enemy team. Probably why I'm not a dev..
that's why youre a basement dweller instead of a game dev, or a person of any other employment...
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1300
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:20:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:lol. i still have all my bpo stuff i bought. so no problems here. i got my dren suits/gear. event bpos and my bpo saga. so iam happy. The only BPOs that are being removed are some of the vehicle module ones and the reason why they are removing them is because those modules simply won't exist after 1.7. Hence why this guy's QQ is ridiculous. He's basically petitioning to keep Militia modules that are worth like 1 second worth of game time, not even standard. The BPO Sagas are sticking around as well as the rare Gurista Saga. Those are not going to change as there is no reason for them to change. That would be like saying they're changing the rate of fire on the SMG so instead of adjusting my 'Toxin' they simply get rid of it and refund me for it. These things are going to cease to exist in the game altogether.
read animal farm (if you read books)
then maybe you can understand the concept of how bad policy creeps in with subtle changes..
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1495
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:22:00 -
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TIL people don't read contracts...
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
1724
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:23:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:CCP you guys are going way to far with removing vehicle bpo's
you have no right!
I spent that money for the AUR to get the bp
not to have AUR...
so an AUR REFUND ISNT GOOD ENOUGH!
I never would have bought the aurum to start with were it not for the bpo's
so what kinda of screwed up business tactic is this?
lets put items on the market for aur so people buy aur to buy the item then we will remove the item and give the aur back that's now useless cause theres nothing those chumps who bought the aur have to spend it on now.....
ccp... ALL YOUR AUR ITEMS SUCK EXCEPT FOR BOOSTERS AND BPO'S!
and with 23 mil sp I don't need boosters.... I recently bought my 'Templar' gear... i want it to stay... u.u Exactly!!!!! I've grown quite fond of my Templar gear and other various BPOs that I have purchased!!!!
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
I'll take your Iskies
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Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
379
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:39:00 -
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How much did you pay originally for that militia LAV? Like, a cheeseburger price?
Now they give you a lot more cheeseburgers. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1301
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:03:00 -
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SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1310
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:00:00 -
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SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 04:45:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
330
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:15:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots Yeah, but I actually have several of the BPOs they are removing and use them all the time. Keeping the current BPOs honestly wouldn't hurt vehicle balance in the slightest, they just don't want to change numbers on them.
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
What is a signature?
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
243
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:09:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:Bunch of crybabies. Just the bpos that are not an actual item in any format post 1.7 are being removed. There's no use having something that doesn't work! Feck sake, you still should have the bpos that CAN be used, and they've said that there is NO plan for their removal. Cop on, learn to read. Idiots Yeah, but I actually have several of the BPOs they are removing and use them all the time. Keeping the current BPOs honestly wouldn't hurt vehicle balance in the slightest, they just don't want to change numbers on them. Sorry, but leaving the modules in WILL hurt the idea that CCP are trying to push. Passive resistance modules are being removed so that vehicles using active resistance have windows of opportunity. I empathise with you that you have builds that are what you use now, but unfortunately for the greater good you are going to have to change. Lol, in saying that I'm not fully convinced CCP's new vehicle plan is the right way, but it's sounding good enough at the moment as a foundation to build on. Just a few more weeks and we get to dig in an have a go at it |
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
268
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:15:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:I say let them keep the BPOs with no AUR refund. NO! The last thing I need is more junk in my inventory that is theoretically valuable, but which I can't use or even sell until the player market opens (i.e., possibly never). I'd sooner have a functional BPO, but failing that the AUR is a reasonable compromise. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1255
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:17:00 -
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This is pathetic. I know the DEVs have seen this thread and yet they refuse to comment.
If you take a look at the OP, it even says edited by CCP Frame!
I even have a picture in-case Seymore edits his OP without noticing that his post was edited by a DEV.
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
55
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:19:00 -
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I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed.
EG Remove Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO Still in game, suit modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages Shocked It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back.
If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund.
The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported .
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
243
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:This is pathetic. I know the DEVs have seen this thread and yet they refuse to comment.
If you take a look at the OP, it even says edited by CCP Frame!
I even have a picture in-case Seymore edits his OP without noticing that his post was edited by a DEV. I don't mind them them not commenting as I actually agree with what they've done. But it would be a bit of a balm for people to get some response
And the title edit by Frame Seymor knows about as do a few others. What you mightn't know if you haven't been following this thread is that posts making reference to the fact the title was edited by Frame have been removed, as have two bump posts by Seymor. There was nothing malicious or ranty in our posts about the title edit, just Seymor, myself and another poster pointing at it and having a laugh, so I'm at a loss as to why they were removed. Lol, come to think of it this post will probably be removed now due to me talking about it
The first rule of Forum Ninja Editing Club is, you do not talk about Forum Ninja Editing Club |
KROM3-XX
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:45:00 -
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*BUMP* Just for this reason |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
324
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:15:00 -
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Please explain to me why CCP help you after being such an indignant cretin?
'Insert witty signature here'
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jin foxdale
Jedi Slime.
107
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:48:00 -
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with all the editing/stealth editing and secret involvement of the devs - has anyone else noticed a dearth of "respec!" threads? I would have thought the forums would be swimming in them since the vehicle respec announcement. Are ccp removing them as soon as they appear I wonder? (im easy by the way, would just as soon not have one as have one)
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
129
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:48:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed.
EG Remove the stated Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO which exists in game, modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Day Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back.If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported . Example, when you purchase a shirt which you are not satisfied with, you can take it back, get it EXCHANGED for another shirt, money back or get something else of a similar value in return WHAT U WANT! and NOT WHAT THEY FORCE YOU INTO ACCEPTING!
This.
I can has ISK
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
129
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:51:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:with all the editing/stealth editing and secret involvement of the devs - has anyone else noticed a dearth of "respec!" threads? I would have thought the forums would be swimming in them since the vehicle respec announcement. Are ccp removing them as soon as they appear I wonder? (im easy by the way, would just as soon not have one as have one)
A pretty well worded and balanced thread that was created by a guy on why CCP MUST offer us an alternative to an aurumn refund because it is within out rights as a consumer to decide and agree uporn the reimbursement we receive was deleted by a DEV entirely. This is the sort of underhand tactics CCP play.
I can has ISK
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1125
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:07:00 -
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CCP can't give you real money, because buying Aurum is a transaction you make on the PSN. And you get it from Sony. If you're not happy with it: Go to Sony. CCP is doing the best they can and I think it's fair. Because you used the Aurum you bought to get BPOs. Now they remove the BPOs they give you back your Aurum. It doesn't matter what you bought it for. You bought Aurum and not the BPOs directly. Also: I too bought Aurum and used it to get BPOs. I too won't spend real money on items which are used. What you want, getting your money back for part of your Aurum purchase, just isn't possible no matter how hard you QQ.
Quote:A pretty well worded and balanced thread that was created by a guy on why CCP MUST offer us an alternative to an aurumn refund because it is within out rights as a consumer to decide and agree uporn the reimbursement we receive was deleted by a DEV entirely. This is the sort of underhand tactics CCP play.
Ok. You can now chose between 100 Quafe Suits and getting your Aurum back. CCP isn't forced to offer you a decision. They are not required to offer you an alternative. They do the fairest they can: Giving you your Aurum back you used on an item which is now not longer available. I don't even know how you manage it to QQ about something like this. |
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
246
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:59:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:I feel it is within OUR rights to have a selection of items in EXCHANGE of the BPOs being removed.
EG Remove the stated Module BPOs and select Via Ticket to EXCHANGED them for the Following items: 1. A BPO which exists in game, modules, weapons etc - Since some of us Collect BPOS 2. A 30 Day Omega Passive or Active Booster - Yes it would cost more in terms of AURUM BUT taking into consideration Moral Damages It would seem of more of a fair deal. 3. A Full SP Refund and the AURUM Back.If CCP do not wish to do none of the above, then personally i'd rather have a PSN Credit Refund since I have no need whatsoever at this moment in time of AURUM - I have OVER 200,000 AUR. I Purchased DUST Packs to get the BPO Items with AUR using Real Life Cash, I had no other reason to purchase anything else on their market, therefore I see no need in being forced into an AUR refund. The Client/Player/PAYER should be allowed to concord the type of Refund desired - It's called Customer Care in most CIVILIZED Nations. Reaching an Agreement with CCP so both parties are content and thus CCP will save face and possibly still be supported . Example, when you purchase a shirt which you are not satisfied with, you can take it back, get it EXCHANGED for another shirt, money back or get something else of a similar value in return WHAT U WANT! and NOT WHAT THEY FORCE YOU INTO ACCEPTING! This. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, ye folks crack me up. What Yelhsa, your own thread turn not get the reaction ya want, to many people pointing the fingure and laughing, that you came over here to sprout more bull . NomaDz, you actually give an example and then just fall apart trying to push it the way you want Far enough, methods defer the world over but I feel fairly confident in saying that there is a commonality to most from dealing with alot of nationalities.
There is an issue with something you bought, in our case it doesn't work anymore post 1.7. You return the item, with proof of purchase which isn't an issue here, and in most cases can change it for a working version of what you returned. If there no replacement the store will give you your money back and allow you to do what you want with your money. In our case there is no replacement because that item is out of use. You're being given back your money, which in this case is Aurum since that is what you purchased the item with. The fact you can't deal with that is really comical.
Many people have said all this already but ye lot of thumb suckers just don't seem to get it. CCP are doing the right thing in my view, and in the view of alot of other BPO owners, but explaining this stuff to ye is entertaining as I know ye are just going to rage harder. I think I'll put my feet up, crack a beer, and follow your bull in comfort. |
Saheiji
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:02:00 -
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CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you.
This goes for any nerf, the upcoming BPO removal, and respec requests after skills or items being changed. Everyone accepted this before they started playing DUST 514.
So, before any further QQ, please read these again:
Terms of Use
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
540
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:02:00 -
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So what items are they removing exactly?!
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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
246
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:24:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:So what items are they removing exactly?!
Four BPOs and each of them are being reimbursed at 4800 Aurum. Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates BPO Militia Shield Regenerator BPO Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier BPO Militia Power Diagnostic System BPO
All the rest here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1513116 |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
2141
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:03:00 -
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First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund.
That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases.
Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's.
I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go. |
NomaDz 2K
DUTY FR33
73
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:46:00 -
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
366
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use.
What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? Please don't come to my house.
Assassination is my thing.
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xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:01:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund.
That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases.
Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's.
I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go.
I wish I could address this post with my main, whom they banned for speaking loudly but civily on this issue.
legal right or not it is bad business... and they've lost mine.
there have been many companies who thought they had the legal end covered before executing an action, and still lose a crushing courtroom battle....ccp are not any less susceptible to missing an angle that gets them sued successfully...
thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion.
they don't respect you, or us.
they don't deserve our support or business.... |
Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.11.22 23:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use.
What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? ******* idiot. It would be more like you buy rechargeable batteries from a toy company for a toy. The toy company then updates that toy for you for free and tells you that the new toy won't be compatible with the rechargeable batteries you bought and gives you back the money you spent on the rechargeable batteries. Not replacing them with one use batteries... |
xLuca Brasi
DUST University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2013.11.23 00:30:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Atiim wrote:Agreed. I paid for an item with infinite use and I should be able to keep an item with infinite use.
What If I went to your house, took the rechargeable batteries you purchased, and replaced them with normal batteries? ******* idiot. It would be more like you buy rechargeable batteries from a toy company for a toy. The toy company then updates that toy for you for free and tells you that the new toy won't be compatible with the rechargeable batteries you bought and gives you back the money you spent on the rechargeable batteries. Not replacing them with one use batteries...
so wait, your saying removing items I paid real money for is an update?
you people don't seem to realize we only bought aurum to get bpo's....
aur is useless to us.
the aur gear sucks.
boosters are fine but they don't last forever like bpo's and some of us don't use or need boosters anymore.... |
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