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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2141
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:03:00 -
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First, I love all the internet lawyering going on in this thread. I know for a fact CCP has a legal department that they rely on pretty heavily for most decisions. They wouldn't have done this if you guys had any legal ground to stand on in terms of "If they remove this they must do X." I'm pretty sure they covered their asses as much as they're obliged to, by giving you an AUR refund.
That said, I'd like to point out that I totally warned CCP this would happen (Not that they didn't see it themselves, mind you) and that people would complain about the perceived value of the purchase. I warned them that it would be much safer to just render them unusuable and leave them as collector's items until they actually had a plan to deal with the rest of the blueprints collectively while maintaining the perceived value of those purchases.
Until CCP makes such a plan, I highly doubt they'll comment on these threads, as they've already taken as much of an official stance as they will, in the thread that announced the removal of the four BPO's.
I agree that this was handled poorly... But even as an owner of many BPOs, I can see how bad they are for the game and am glad to see them go. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2144
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Posted - 2013.11.23 06:40:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:
thankyou for warning them of this... but it shows what they think of the CPM's opinion.
they don't respect you, or us.
Not true.
They specifically added the "We have no plans to touch other BPO's at this time" bit because of the CPM feedback to the original posts.
And they're not going to touch those BPO's until whatever plan they come up with is solid, which they intend to talk to us about before they solidify it. (Which you can be pretty damn sure we're going to do everything we can to keep the purchase 'worth it')
Speaking personally out of speculation now : (Since CCP has not said anywhere in public or privately to the CPM that they are going to touch BPO's in people's inventories)
Going by how much CCP has always disliked how BPO's and T2 BPO's worked out in eve, I highly doubt that CCP is going to let these items continue to exist. They removed them from the market to stem the flow of a 'problem item', but permanent combat assets in a game that is largely driven by the concept of consumable goods..... are just never going to be healthy for the game.
One could argue that by creating a cost for use (IE: Manufacturing) that they would no longer be a problem, but this is not the case, as in order to make such a permanent item 'worth it' it would need to be somehow better or more attractive than a F2P manufactured item, unless CCP was going to do something -insanely stupid- such as create a paywall where only BPO owners could manufacture and BPO's could only be attained through Aur/Secondary market. (I don't see that happening, btw)
My gut tells me that the end result is going to be the removal of all BPOs. Therefore, rather than complain about an inevitable result, you should direct your efforts into telling CCP what WOULD make your purchase 'Worth it' if you can't have a permanent battle asset. This is a much more constructive approach to a problem that is very real. Without feedback to this end, it's -very- likely that the approach CCP takes will be un-ideal, if they don't have acceptable and attractive alternatives presented to them by the community.
(Personally, I think Suit & weapon vanity skins, and possibly weapon mods wouldn't be obtrusive as AUR BPO's, so long as you still required to pay full ISK price for the combat asset itself.)
You want CCP to give you your money's worth? Tell them how, instead of complaining about something neither you or I can change. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2149
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Posted - 2013.11.23 15:34:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:
if ccp would have presented it the way you just did I may not be so salty...
instead they said we keep them encouraged people to buy them before their removal from the market, and then just announced they are removing a handful of militia module bpo's claiming they wont be useful after 1.7 but glazing over the part where they consciously decided to make the changes to make them useless.
it was dishonest.
how can I feel safe spending money on a company I cant trust?
2 things would make my purchase worth it...
a psn credit (refund)
a bpo of the new module to replace the ones they are removing
It wasn't dishonest. The sales were encouraged because at the time (And even now) they don't intend to remove the content that was pitched as a "Get it while you can." (My personal speculations from above likely won't happen for a good long while)
Rather than choosing to see malice in every decision, you need to accept that sometimes a reality of running a business or managing a product is that sometimes you need to make tough choices in order to preserve the health of that product. Keeping BPO's on the market was one of those choices. Removing the bulk of vehicle modules and variants in general is one of those choices.
As an unfortunate result of the latter, people would literally have a BPO that serves no function, or at worst... would be Pay2Win because there would be no isk variant. In the name of balance, they stripped the module availability to get it right at the most basic level before branching out again. (I don't necessarily agree with how this is being done, but I do agree it is necessary) Adding more modules back into the game just to accommodate & preserve the functions of the BPO's would have been adding an unneeded complication to that process.
A lack of trust in this case only stems from a sense of entitlement and paranoia. Though, One could make the argument that CCP has poor judgement in terms of offering value on their products, citing the hilariously overpriced boosters as a result. Which is why I said in my previous post, It would be most constructive for players to offer solutions and alternatives to removal & refund that are reasonable and would preserve the perceived value of the purchase.
As far as your suggestions go : CCP has no power to offer PSN credit. If you have a legitimate complaint (or even if you don't) if you complain to Sony on the phone for long enough they'll give you your money back and inform CCP to remove any goods purchased as a result.
In terms of your second suggestion : Do you seriously fail to see how harmful BPO's are to the game and its future, to the point where you do not realize how silly it is to ask to receive another problem item when one is taken from you? You can call it 'Bad business" all you like, but CCP made the right move in terms of removing them from the market this "early". (Personally I think they should've been off the market and out of the game months ago) Even if they don't end up touching existing blueprints at all in the future and all this worrying as for naught, removing them from the market was the right call.
One last point :
Since while I'm reading all of the threads on the subject, but have chosen this particular thread to post in regarding the "Issue" : I fully welcome and invite anyone who has grievances with this to contact me via skype if they are willing to have a proper discussion about this.
If you can provide me with a reasonable and well structured argument that amounts to more than "Bad business" or "I deserve it", You might be able to sway me to your point of view. Further, any such arguments that have merit will be passed on to CCP for consideration, regardless of my personal agreement or not.
Especially valuable would be well thought out, reasonable alternatives to complete removal from inventory, that will perserve the perceived value of the initial purchase, like I mentioned in my previous post above. These will absolutely be passed on to CCP, and I will personally hound CCP (and my CPM bros will /probably/ join me) with any solutions that will allow CCP to address BPO's in a way that still makes the money spent "worth it".
My skype is nova_knife , and if for whatever reason you prefer to talk to a different CPM member, all of our relevant contact info can be found here : link (Probably best to talk to me though, as I'm the one asking for the feedback/discussions here)
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