Am I the only one that would spec into tanks if a respec would happen? I'd switch from my infantry role to a tank.

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP.

Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Live with your choices he says

Big ******* problem is that my choices were made some time ago, now CCP has turned the vehicle tree upside down and it now looks completely different

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

Which is why CCP won't do a respect again. Which is why they said choose wisely after uprising. That was it, to avoid situations like this.

Live with u F*****G choice
They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST

Live with u F*****G choice
They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST

Are they still tanks? Did you pick tanks?
That's your choice.

I picked tanks and the skills i wanted for whatever reason i had at the time

Now i have new skills such as the CPU electronics skills which no longer adds 5% CPU per level and also i lose mods and vehicles to boot

I am a pilot, i skilled into all vehicles, no im losing 6 vehicles, 8 including the surya/sagaris

Its like taking your infantry tree and then turning it upside down while making it a bigger SP sink, take your favourite suit now lets replace the skill bonus it gets per level with something useless like 'once you take over 50% damage you will randomly blow up in 10seconds' and this increases by 10% per level so you will blow up in 5seconds at level 5 and then make it a x16 SP multiplier

Now you will die alot more, your KDR will plummet and you will be useless on the battlefield, would you like a respec?

I picked tanks and the skills i wanted for whatever reason i had at the time

Now i have new skills such as the CPU electronics skills which no longer adds 5% CPU per level and also i lose mods and vehicles to boot

I am a pilot, i skilled into all vehicles, no im losing 6 vehicles, 8 including the surya/sagaris

Its like taking your infantry tree and then turning it upside down while making it a bigger SP sink, take your favourite suit now lets replace the skill bonus it gets per level with something useless like 'once you take over 50% damage you will randomly blow up in 10seconds' and this increases by 10% per level so you will blow up in 5seconds at level 5 and then make it a x16 SP multiplier

Now you will die alot more, your KDR will plummet and you will be useless on the battlefield, would you like a respec?

CCP should have never caved into the first wave of "I want a respec." Now whenever something goes from strong to weak the whiners will want "just one more respec."

Respecs are a terrible idea. Once you spend SP it is gone. You train it you bought it, sorry no refund.

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

[1] And this worries you because? You didn't know before hand so, now you do know, you want a respec?

[2] What happens when more stuff is released? Demand another respec in 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 years time??



[3] Isn't that the whole point of the game? You sepc into suits/weapons and get proficient in all of them so you can CHOOSE which to use for the battle conditions? I guess you are one of those guys that just wants one weapon/suit forever.



[4]There are not that many high SP tank characters, I could understand if 50% of the player base was, but their not, so balance isn't an issue. Even if it was, cool, less tanks on the field, more infantry to kill in their proto gear.

It isn't being turned upside down, stop trying to blow it out of proportion.

You picked a role, and you still have it. HTFU.

You don't hear scouts asking for respecs, you hear them asking for balances & new content.
The fact that some tankers don't do the same says to me that they really just wanted to roll about the battlefield with impunity.

Which is why CCP won't do a respect again. Which is why they said choose wisely after uprising. That was it, to avoid situations like this.

Live with u F*****G choice
They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST

No. I'll accept one only when it makes sense (frames/hulls that should've been in day one, or massive change to the item itself, and the skills that go along with it). The entire vehicle tree, as well as every aspect of vehicles is getting changed. Get over it, you're not getting one.

edit: This was a message from Godin. I think we should. But maybe he's right. I don't know.....

Am I the only one that would spec into tanks if a respec would happen? I'd switch from my infantry role to a tank.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1517540#post1517540

CCP has two options:

1. Only allow refunded SP to be put back into vehicles, so that vehicle pilots' choices have consequences. By not doing this will allow vehicle pilots to do whatever they want with their SP like putting all/most of their SP into infantry and their choices wouldn't have consequences, while everyone else's choices have consequences. I assume it would likely be impossible for CCP to do this, so that brings me to the other option.

2. Give everyone a full respec. This is by far the most fair solution. If they don't give everyone a full respec CCP is playing favorites by giving vehicle pilots an unfair advantage.

1. The Vehicle Refund isn't a respec. Because they are changing the Skills so drastically that CCP needs to let people re-do or stop using vehicles.

2. No respecs, period. For new players' sake. We need to have at least some mispent SP so we're not perfect exploitive killing machines destroying newberries even worse. You realize the Uprising respec is when and what caused the slaughter we see today.

3. Respecs are just a cover up for wanting to spec into something else without having to grind more SP."Mass Drivers got nerfed, so I want spec into Gallente tank and ARs"

There is no "tanker respec".

Everybody in this game, EVERYBODY, gets SP refunded of skill which are reworked. It's not like only tankers are allowed to respec.

There will never again be a full respec. Period. If skills change, people get SP refunded of said skills.

Give new player 10m SP cap ... that's so effing important.

1. The Vehicle Refund isn't a respec. Because they are changing the Skills so drastically that CCP needs to let people re-do or stop using vehicles.

2. No respecs, period. For new players' sake. We need to have at least some mispent SP so we're not perfect exploitive killing machines destroying newberries even worse. You realize the Uprising respec is when and what caused the slaughter we see today.

3. Respecs are just a cover up for wanting to spec into something else without having to grind more SP."Mass Drivers got nerfed, so I want spec into Gallente tank and ARs"

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

I disagree entirely,

WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP.

If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry.

I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too.

Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.

The biggest problem I see here is that CCP already altered skills without a refund so why should vehicle users get a refund of changed skills where others had to live with the changes to their skills?

For skills that get removed the refund is obvious. I am against a full repec for anyone but CCP should be consistent regarding their SP refund policy...

Hey another newberry........lol!
Hey how about spellcheck??



Yeah thats working great going from 9220 to barely above 4000 peak on weekends.

I'd say this makes sense... even though I'm happy where my points are. I'd also like CCP to bring in a AURUM for respec feature which is limited to 2 per year or something like that. (People without aurum could get one free respec per year). This would prevent the people asking for respecs every balance/patch/hotfix/nerf/new feature is announced.

Live with your choices he says
Big ******* problem is that my choices were made some time ago, now CCP has turned the vehicle tree upside down and it now looks completely different

Which is why CCP won't do a respect again. Which is why they said choose wisely after uprising. That was it, to avoid situations like this.

Are they still tanks? Did you pick tanks?
That's your choice.

Live with u F*****G choice
They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST /quote

I didn't hollar about nerfs like the Flaylock one because I was gonna use the Flaylock whether or not it was a good weapon anyways. Because it was Minmatar and that's what I wanted. But as we see now, the devs are still not sure on that one.

quote=Chunky Munkey
It isn't being turned upside down, stop trying to blow it out of proportion.
You picked a role, and you still have it. HTFU.
You don't hear scouts asking for respecs, you hear them asking for balances & new content.
The fact that some tankers don't do the same says to me that they really just wanted to roll about the battlefield with impunity.

CCP should have never caved into the first wave of "I want a respec." Now whenever something goes from strong to weak the whiners will want "just one more respec."
Respecs are a terrible idea. Once you spend SP it is gone. You train it you bought it, sorry no refund.

1. The Vehicle Refund isn't a respec. Because they are changing the Skills so drastically that CCP needs to let people re-do or stop using vehicles.
2. No respecs, period. For new players' sake. We need to have at least some mispent SP so we're not perfect exploitive killing machines destroying newberries even worse. You realize the Uprising respec is when and what caused the slaughter we see today.
3. Respecs are just a cover up for wanting to spec into something else without having to grind more SP."Mass Drivers got nerfed, so I want spec into Gallente tank and ARs"

This, a million times this. Asking for a respec whenever something happens seems just lazy to me. A skill-bonus changed, an item changed, the server was down for 10 minutes longer than usual, and people cry, beg, ask for a respec. Vehicle specialized Mercenaries get their SP from Vehicle skills refunded because nearly everything about vehicles gets changed, boom, people demand a respec. It's just getting lame.

I disagree entirely,

WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP.

If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry.

I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too.

Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.

The biggest problem I see here is that CCP already altered skills without a refund so why should vehicle users get a refund of changed skills where others had to live with the changes to their skills?

For skills that get removed the refund is obvious. I am against a full repec for anyone but CCP should be consistent regarding their SP refund policy...

i find it funny how people are always saying HTFU or NO MORE RESPECS!

do you realize that this game doesn't magically get money from free to play characters? and since this is free to play, there is nothing keeping people from leaving.

sure, nobody cares, but usually the people complaining are the people who spend money on this game, and when they are gone, then where will the profit come from in DUST 514?

So do you at least understand the issue and problem that I'm pointing out here?

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

Live with your choices he says

Big ******* problem is that my choices were made some time ago, now CCP has turned the vehicle tree upside down and it now looks completely different

I disagree entirely,

WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP.

If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry.

I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too.

Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.