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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:52:00 -
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The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.
I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.
Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.
Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained. |
Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:57:00 -
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Zimander wrote:Live with u F*****G choice
They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST
I think one or two people think I'm a pilot demanding my vehicle SP back  . So just to be clear, CCP announced here that vehicle users will get their vehicle SP back. This thread is requesting that this be changed to a full respec for all characters. |
Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:28:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote: A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. [1] And this worries you because? You didn't know before hand so, now you do know, you want a respec? [2] What happens when more stuff is released? Demand another respec in 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 years time?? Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget. [3] Isn't that the whole point of the game? You sepc into suits/weapons and get proficient in all of them so you can CHOOSE which to use for the battle conditions? I guess you are one of those guys that just wants one weapon/suit forever. Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue. [4]There are not that many high SP tank characters, I could understand if 50% of the player base was, but their not, so balance isn't an issue. Even if it was, cool, less tanks on the field, more infantry to kill in their proto gear.
1. If part of the playerbase gets to allocate their SP with knowledge of the current balance of suits and weapons, it's only fair that the whole playerbase does.
2. I didn't announce the respec, CCP did. I'm just saying it should apply to the whole playerbase. If CCP announce another 10mil+ respec then, yes, that should also be for everybody. I doubt this will happen often though.
3. I have HMG, FG and AR all up to at least prof. 3, and proto heavy and medium suits. So no, I can appreciate diversity. My point is that a tanker with a respec will even do better at diversity, because he gets to choose the best weapon and suit in each class at current stats. For instance, if rail rifle dominates as many suspect it will, he can dump his points into RR+gallente logi, the optimum fit under those conditions (plus HMG, FG and heavy suit for lols). Infantry never got to make that choice.
4. So if its only a minority of the playerbase that get an unfair advantage that's okay? Would you be happy if CCP said they'd decided to give a respec to Caldari characters only? The point is it upsets balance for no good reason, because the option of a universal respec is there. |
Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2013.11.26 14:01:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.
I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.
Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.
Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained. I disagree entirely, WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP. If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry. I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too. Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.
I get the same options as everyone else do i? 25 mil SP and im only getting half a mil back - not even enough to proto one rifle. While former pilots like yourself can prof 5 both rifles from day 1.
The respec is only really good for people in that exact position - vehicle users who want to turn full infantry. Anyone who is committed to their role gets the ****** end of the stick. Infantry get almost no SP back and are locked out of the new toys, while committed vehicle users dont get enough to SP back for their role due to the skill tree changes. And there i was thinking we were supposed to live with our choices. |
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