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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:29:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:I'd say this makes sense... even though I'm happy where my points are. I'd also like CCP to bring in a AURUM for respec feature which is limited to 2 per year or something like that. (People without aurum could get one free respec per year). This would prevent the people asking for respecs every balance/patch/hotfix/nerf/new feature is announced.
I agree that AUR for respec would stop a lot of this whining.
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:58:00 -
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Ok, I ran out of space on the original post and this stupid system only lets you quote up to five times in one posting. So this will be part one of three...
Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Live with your choices he says Big ******* problem is that my choices were made some time ago, now CCP has turned the vehicle tree upside down and it now looks completely different
Agreed. And it's still not done. I want to skill into Minmatar Tanks and Minmatar Dropships. Where is my choice at? Do I just not skill anything and save all my SP until 2 years later when they exist?
Pvt Numnutz wrote: Which is why CCP won't do a respect again. Which is why they said choose wisely after uprising. That was it, to avoid situations like this.
But they didn't give me *MY* choice. My choice was for Minmatar rifles and Minmatar Dropships. Where are they at? So I shouldn't play? Or should I just run around with newb gear until then banking millions of SP for the hope that it'll come?
Chunky Munkey wrote: Are they still tanks? Did you pick tanks? That's your choice.
No, my choice was and still is for a Minmatar Tank. I never picked Caldari or Galente, so where is my tank at?
Zimander wrote: Live with u F*****G choice They Nerf Guns u didn't here Infantry whining about re-space cuz the guns got NERF so shut up accept u decision in DUST /quote
I didn't hollar about nerfs like the Flaylock one because I was gonna use the Flaylock whether or not it was a good weapon anyways. Because it was Minmatar and that's what I wanted. But as we see now, the devs are still not sure on that one.
quote=Chunky Munkey It isn't being turned upside down, stop trying to blow it out of proportion. You picked a role, and you still have it. HTFU. You don't hear scouts asking for respecs, you hear them asking for balances & new content. The fact that some tankers don't do the same says to me that they really just wanted to roll about the battlefield with impunity.
And HTFU should apply to the devs too. They knew going into this that they weren't even 50% complete with the full racial spectrum of all the gear for the game. They knew they only had ONE AND ONLY ONE race's heavy armor to offer to the world. They knew they only had TWO RACES, not four, to offer for vehicles. So they should have known that players would want the ones not also available at some point. But to play the game, we had to skill into **** we didn't want in order to get SP to later use for the things we wanted later. And now that all turns out to be a waste of time?
Izlare Lenix wrote: CCP should have never caved into the first wave of "I want a respec." Now whenever something goes from strong to weak the whiners will want "just one more respec." Respecs are a terrible idea. Once you spend SP it is gone. You train it you bought it, sorry no refund.
I would agree with you if they hadn't already done the other two waves of respecs and declared this new wave of respecs. But since, as the OP pointed out, they have opened that box up, they have to live with it. So the "fair" thing to do is to give EVERYONE the option for a respec. If you "hardasses" don't want to use it, then don't and you can be masters of the forums for a day as you are so hardcore. But many of us still want to fly Minmatar Assault Dropships while wearing our Minmatar racial Pilot's suit using our Minmatar autocannon on it. But where the f**k are they at?
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Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:59:00 -
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Part two of three...
8213 wrote: 1. The Vehicle Refund isn't a respec. Because they are changing the Skills so drastically that CCP needs to let people re-do or stop using vehicles. 2. No respecs, period. For new players' sake. We need to have at least some mispent SP so we're not perfect exploitive killing machines destroying newberries even worse. You realize the Uprising respec is when and what caused the slaughter we see today. 3. Respecs are just a cover up for wanting to spec into something else without having to grind more SP."Mass Drivers got nerfed, so I want spec into Gallente tank and ARs"
No, in this case for me, the respec lets me move something out of a category I would never have skilled into if I had the choice in the beginning that I should have had. In this case, all the points I have in AR I would instead put into Combat Rifle as I'm not Gallente, I'm Minmatar and I want Minmatar things. It's not lazy, it's the lack of options that the devs gave to me. So if ANYONE is lazy here it's the devs for not putting out all 4 races of stuff to begin with.
Saheiji wrote: This, a million times this. Asking for a respec whenever something happens seems just lazy to me. A skill-bonus changed, an item changed, the server was down for 10 minutes longer than usual, and people cry, beg, ask for a respec. Vehicle specialized Mercenaries get their SP from Vehicle skills refunded because nearly everything about vehicles gets changed, boom, people demand a respec. It's just getting lame.
I agree that respecs shouldn't happen for any reason, but BECAUSE they are already admitting their mistake and giving a respec to SOME then it is not fair to the rest that are not getting it. I put points into AR because I understood that when the Minmatar guns would come out later I would be able to put those points into that. But now that is not going to happen. They gave the expectation that a FULL respec would happen for everyone and instead are only giving a partial to some. This is what is upsetting me. I didn't want to waste my time with non-Minmatar stuff, but due to the VERY limited choices available in the game I had to skill into some weapon rather than none. And because the devs were "lazy" and did not give me the choice that I knew was supposed to be there, I had to pick from the choices that they gave me. Now they are telling others that they get a partial respec for bad choices they had to make because of their inadequate implementation and I'm claiming the exact thing. The didn't provide me with the full list of Minmatar choices and now I'm being screwed for it.
Korvin Lomont wrote: I disagree entirely,
WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP.
If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry.
I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too.
Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.
The biggest problem I see here is that CCP already altered skills without a refund so why should vehicle users get a refund of changed skills where others had to live with the changes to their skills?
For skills that get removed the refund is obvious. I am against a full repec for anyone but CCP should be consistent regarding their SP refund policy...
I agree with this. They've already established the trend. And until they FINISH the CORE of the game (meaning all the racial types for weapons, dropsuits, and vehicles) then this is an incomplete game and the expectation is that it will all get fixed and at that time players will have to option to fix the choices that they were FORCED INTO by the limited choices presented by the unfinished product.
to be continued on part 3... |
Jadd Hatchen
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:00:00 -
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part 3 of 3...
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i find it funny how people are always saying HTFU or NO MORE RESPECS!
do you realize that this game doesn't magically get money from free to play characters? and since this is free to play, there is nothing keeping people from leaving.
sure, nobody cares, but usually the people complaining are the people who spend money on this game, and when they are gone, then where will the profit come from in DUST 514?
I may not have spent money on the game (I actually have, but mostly to try things out), but I have invested a lot of my TIME and for me that is a more limited item than money is. I can always earn more money, I cannot invent a time machine and get my life back. Besides which "free to play" is a misnomer because it isn't. Somewhere along the line someone pays.
Honestly, I don't care if they never do a respec again, but if they are gonna do any at all, then they need to be fair and impartial and provide it to EVERYONE. They already know that they cannot predict every possible usage and outcome of the things that they implement in game. Players will always be inventive and surprising and the way that the devs intend something to play out is hardly ever how it actually works out. The same applies to this haphazard way in which they are trying to do a partial respec. It an have unintended consequences that are worse than if they did a full respec. Again, I like to play Minmatar and you limited my ability to do so from beta. All I'm asking is that you give me a way to fix the choices you forced me into. What am I talking about?
Guy A wants to spec into Amarr only: Amarr Assault Suit, check Amarr Sidearm, check (scrambler pistol) Amarr Rifle, check (scrambler rifle) Good to go!
Guy B wanting to spec into Minmatar only: Minmatar Assault Suit, check Minmatar Sidearm, check (even though Flaylock says it's Minmatar, it's actually the SMG so likely to get confused and get wrong one) Minmatar Rifle... um, nothing available... What to do? Well AR is a projectile weapon right? so use that? WTF?
This is the choice you forced me into. I only want to move my AR SP to the new Combat Rifle when it comes out as it should be, but now I'm going to have millions of wasted skillpoints stuck in the AR. So WTF, how is this one simple situation supposed to be balanced? It gets a whole lot worse and lopsided and screwwed up if you apply it to heavy suits (only Amarr available duh) and heavy weapons or with vehicles (only Galente and Caldari available wtf?).
So what happens to all the players that wanted to stay and specialize into only one race's stuff? They just get screwed over and have to waste all that time and SP?
So do you at least understand the issue and problem that I'm pointing out here?
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