DUST Search - The time for a full respec has come

Heavenly Daughter wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box.

I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget.

Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue.

Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained.

I disagree entirely,

WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP.

If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry.

I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too.

Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too.


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Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2013.11.21 14:00:00 - [1] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Which is why CCP won't do a respect again. Which is why they said choose wisely after uprising. That was it, to avoid situations like this. Choose wisely is nice as long as your decision is persistent. You could make the wisest decision in the world but that won't help you If some changes the reason for that decision. CCP should give partial SP refunds when they drastically change what you spend your SP for. I don't mind a rebalance so lets say skill y grant 5% to "x", a change to 2% would be ok. But if that skill all of sudden gives 5% to "a" instead of "x" this is no longer the skill I choosed to spec into....and CCP should be be fair enough to refund the SP
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:03:00 - [2] - Quote 8213 wrote: 1. The Vehicle Refund isn't a respec. Because they are changing the Skills so drastically that CCP needs to let people re-do or stop using vehicles. 2. No respecs, period. For new players' sake. We need to have at least some mispent SP so we're not perfect exploitive killing machines destroying newberries even worse. You realize the Uprising respec is when and what caused the slaughter we see today. 3. Respecs are just a cover up for wanting to spec into something else without having to grind more SP."Mass Drivers got nerfed, so I want spec into Gallente tank and ARs" I would agree IF the skills would be persistant but they are not. To be fair anytime CCP changes the Bonus of a skill they should refund the SP. Because thast basicly a rework of said skill. By your logic CCP should not refund the Vehicle skills they changed just the ones they removed...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:08:00 - [3] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: There is no "tanker respec". Everybody in this game, EVERYBODY, gets SP refunded of skill which are reworked. It's not like only tankers are allowed to respec. There will never again be a full respec. Period. If skills change, people get SP refunded of said skills. Give new player 10m SP cap ... that's so effing important. Thats not quite correct. CCP will refund the SP spent for vehicle skills as part of the vehicle rework. They did not refund the SP to those who have spent SP into the Caldari Assault (bonus from Reload speed to smal extender bonus) and Logi (bonus from large extender bonus to regulator bonus) as they altered the skills there if I remember correctly.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 265	Posted - 2013.11.25 13:25:00 - [4] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The respec for vehicle skills is Pandora's box. I don't, of course, mind vehicle users getting their SP back to put into their tanks and dropships of choice after the radical changes. The problem is tankers putting their SP into infantry. A 10mil SP tanker will be able to create a better infantryman than a 15mil SP infantryman has. He gets a chance to drop his points after the new rifles are released. He will also know how all the other weapons and suits are balanced in December 2013, which no infantryman had the luxury of when they were allocating their SP. Every dedicated infantryman will have millions of SP tied up in weapons and suits that they no longer use (either due to personal preference or nerfs). Former pilots, on the other hand, will be able to build the best possible infantryman for their SP budget. Now you might say 'no pilots will want to spec infantry', but I can show you a dozen threads with tankers saying they want a respec to go full infantry. Or you might say NO RESPECS EVAR, HTFU, Welcome to New Eden, live with your choices, etc. And normally I would agree. Look through my posts, before today you will find not one supporting a full respec. But the vehicle respec changes everything. Vehicle users will not have to live with their choices when 1.7 drops. They can be anything they want, regardless of what they chose. Furthermore, they can be build a character that's better at a role they didn't choose - infantry - than anyone who chose that role can. This is a major balance issue. Now the respec box has been opened, the respec cannot be contained. I disagree entirely, WHO ARE YOU, to dictate where I put my points after CCP as per usual GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AND NEED TO RESET THE SP. If CCP changes the tree setup for vehicles ,do you think for one second people will have any confidence in the new layout over the old, NO. ! not for one second. I for one am glad that i'll be able to drop my MILLIONS wasted on vehicles back into infantry. I've already calculated what I'm getting back and exactly where its going, including TWO PROTO weapons , 1 advanced racial suit and a few other skills too. :), I'll stick to using the BPO vehicles for as long as I can now until CCP removed them too. Also pointed out by another on this thread, everyone skilled into vehicles get the SP back and will have the same options as everyone else so your argument doesn't stand, as YOU have a choice too. The biggest problem I see here is that CCP already altered skills without a refund so why should vehicle users get a refund of changed skills where others had to live with the changes to their skills? For skills that get removed the refund is obvious. I am against a full repec for anyone but CCP should be consistent regarding their SP refund policy...