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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 601	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:16:00 - [1] - Quote Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 48	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. heavy suit can barley kill a milita scout a foot in front of him, our effective range is 3m, at 20m its like throwing cotton balls enemys... B Double O T Y
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 601	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:21:00 - [3] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. heavy suit can barley kill a milita scout a foot in front of him, our effective range is 3m, at 20m its like throwing cotton balls enemys... People like you are the problem unless you're being sarcastic. Heavies can use any weapon, its their choice to use the HMG over something else. But complaining the suit itself is underpowered because a gun is doesnt make it underpowered. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 914	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:23:00 - [4] - Quote The suit is fine, it's the weapons. I seen more and more heavies tho opting for AR's ect over heavy weapons tho lately, just shows the problem does exist in the weapons, not the suit. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 601	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:24:00 - [5] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: The suit is fine, it's the weapons. I seen more and more heavies tho opting for AR's ect over heavy weapons tho lately, just shows the problem does exist in the weapons, not the suit. Thats my point, people still seem to think its the suit itself though. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1637	Posted - 2013.11.09 13:14:00 - [6] - Quote The HMG is underpowered for its effective range, add in AA for every other weapon in the game and is obsolete when bunny hopping players can just keep on you thanks to AA Add in any weapon and nades melting your armor too Prefer if the heavy suit has like a 3% per level to small arms resistance or even explosive damage They gets chewed through too quickly even if you do have 1600hp but then again run with a logi with new buffed tools and you do okay
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 227	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote Food for thought... I've seen an omni-tanked heavy with a breach AR dominate in CQC oriented maps. The Logibro kept him running and he could service targets faster and with greater precision with the breach AR. it was pretty impressive actually.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2055	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:16:00 - [8] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. The heavy suit is great, the heavy class is the problem. The suits have an almost useless H slot. Why run a HMG when you can slap on even a breach AR and perform unquestionably better. No.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4249	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:20:00 - [9] - Quote I just met a Heavy in the Gallente research lab map. He wrecked everything in his way. Killed 3 blueberries who were firing at him, and he would have almost killed me, as I've slain him with my OMGWTFBBQ Scambler rifle, with 50HP left. Heavies are totally underpowered *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 218	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote The sooner we get heavy lasers the better. I've no problems with the suit, and due to the recent HP buff took a plate off for a cardiac regulator as an experiment. The problem is that we have no midrange weapons. As soon as there are full racial heavy suits and weapons I expect heavy complaints to dwindle and complaints against the heavy to rise How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.

Tectonic Fusion 513	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:46:00 - [11] - Quote You think my Amarr Logi is OP? Hahahahahaha try a female Caldari Assault. They have WAY smaller hitboxes and can actually dodge some bullets, but us Amarr are too fat and slow to do that... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1234	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. I only go positive with my sentinel if I go at least advanced. But usually only run proto because the HMG is ** otherwise. At least in medium frames you can compete using standard gear, if your SP is in the right places. In the meantime I'll run my proto sentinel with KinCats and cardiac regulators instead of plates, because despite what everyone thinks, HP is not everything in the game that matters. With two enhanced KinCats I can run faster then my logis and have more shields and armor than them still On a related note; The heavy suit is ** because of our only weapon that can be used in a manor similar to the majority of light weapons. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you should use a heavy suit for heavy weapons not the other way around. What is a signature?
Fiddler Galaine Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 47	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:53:00 - [13] - Quote Heavies aren't underpowered at all. Personally, I can't wait for the Gallente Heavy to get here. As far as heavy weapons go, I wouldn't mind a Laser HMG or a Plasma Blaster (think of a hybrid between a forge gun and an AR - big green balls of death).
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:01:00 - [14] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: People like you are the problem unless you're being sarcastic. Heavies can use any weapon, its their choice to use the HMG over something else. But complaining the suit itself is underpowered because a gun is doesnt make it underpowered. As someone who was a full-time heavy in Chrome, and is currently a part time heavy (long story, don't ask), the only reason I feel a need to pull out my heavy suit these days, comes down to the following: 1. I have a stock of HMGs and leftover suits to burn, because I dislike the visual clutter of my inventory. 2. I need a FG to kill a tank, or to slather myself in the delicious warpoints of destroyed turrets and the tears of dorks who dislike FG sniping. That's it. The problem with the argument "heavies can use all weapons, stop crying", is that the heavy suit is defined by its ability to carry heavy weapons. When a heavy weapon is being outperformed by a light weapon (like how the AR whips the HMG, since, well, pretty much late Chrome really), then there is a problem. In many respects, heavy suits are fine. I do think that the slot layout difference between the heavy frame and sentinel is... awkward, and the sentinel skill bonuses need a massive overhaul (flat 2% heavy weap reload bonus, and a bonus for a heavy weapon we do not have! really CCP?!), but the basic features of the heavy suit (excluding the Commando, which has its own issues, though some of them have been alleviated by Uprising 1.6) are generally solid. Again, however, the flaw is that the heavy as a class is defined by that heavy weapon slot. Yes, it cascades down, and you can put any infantry weapon you please into that slot, but the problem is that currently, the reasons to do so should be "Well, I've got a CQC infantry blender, and a long-range blapgun, but I'd really like some mid-range anti-infantry and maybe some long-range high-accuracy anti-infantry capability", at which point you get LR heavies and sniper heavies. Incidentally, both options were a pretty big thing in Chrome- LR heavies not some much anymore, and sniper heavies are often being replaced by sniper logis, but that has more to do with slot layouts (or rather, the slight dearth of high slots on heavies to use for damage mods). TL;DR (because I know you didn't since you are obviously a heavy hater who knows nothing about heavies), the problem isn't the suit, it's that the defining feature of the heavy class, that being heavy weapons, are being outmoded by light-class weapons that are better put to use on medium frame suits. ED. Note: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: I only go positive with my sentinel if I go at least advanced. But usually only run proto because the HMG is ** otherwise. At least in medium frames you can compete using standard gear, if your SP is in the right places. In the meantime I'll run my proto sentinel with KinCats and cardiac regulators instead of plates, because despite what everyone thinks, HP is not everything in the game that matters. With two enhanced KinCats I can run faster then my logis and have more shields and armor than them still On a related note; The heavy suit is ** because of our only weapon that can be used in a manor similar to the majority of light weapons. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you should use a heavy suit for heavy weapons not the other way around. Have a like, heavybro. Also, if I could double-like your post, I would, because the school of Sports Turtle is obviously doing well for itself. Alas, I have not the skill(points) to be the Sports Turtle- you have my envy, good sir.
Rusty Shallows 478	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. I championed the good heavy weapons and let the heavy suit be a somewhat crappy buffer tank cause. We lost. If you have a way to convince the Dev's let us know. CCP is just going to leave the HMG crappy and slowly nerf the few functional FGs down to that level. By default that leaves the suit. Name calling is a bad way to make a persuasive argument. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming EoN. 141	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:07:00 - [16] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. Suit isn't too bad. (although it could use 1 more slot at the proto level) The regular HMG isn't bad either. It has good stopping power up close and is balanced by being near-useless beyond 20m. The REAL problem, is that the Assault HMG isn't good enough to be a viable option for mid-range fights. It needs to have it's RBS cone shrunk so that it could lay down more PRECISE fire. On paper, the Assault HMG doesn't lose too much of it's power until 45ish meters. However, while it's better at range, it still suffers because it's RBS cone allows too many rounds to miss. Making the Assault HMG more precise would still keep it balanced because it's lower dmg still makes it inferior to regular HMGs at close range.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 606	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:10:00 - [17] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: TL;DR (because I know you didn't since you are obviously a heavy hater who knows nothing about heavies), the problem isn't the suit, it's that the defining feature of the heavy class, that being heavy weapons, are being outmoded by light-class weapons that are better put to use on medium frame suits. You know nothing of me, as someone who did play Heavy during Chromo as well ( Moselder was heavy, Medrean - Logi and this character a scout / pilot) I know the heavy roll and Im saving my SP currently to spec into minmatar heavies once they are released. And the limit on choices of heavy weapons maybe be a problem but my entire thread is about the suit itself not being underpowered. You want to feel a REAL underpowered suit? Spec into scouts which can run you 180k isk with less then 300 HP. Then you can complain. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4448	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:11:00 - [18] - Quote The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill. In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 606	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:13:00 - [19] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill. In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) Then people should lobby for the weapons alone instead of bitching about the suit itself. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4448	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:23:00 - [20] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill. In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) Then people should lobby for the weapons alone instead of bitching about the suit itself. Who bitches about the suit???? People bitching about THE LACK OF SUITS ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Fargen Icehole SyNergy Gaming EoN. 141	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:28:00 - [21] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill. In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) Then people should lobby for the weapons alone instead of bitching about the suit itself. Who bitches about the suit???? People bitching about THE LACK OF SUITS BINGO I have a brilliant idea CCP... let's give the Heavy class some other racial variants! You know, like the medium and light suits! (although light suit needs love too)
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: You know nothing of me, as someone who did play Heavy during Chromo as well ( Moselder was heavy, Medrean - Logi and this character a scout / pilot) I know the heavy roll and Im saving my SP currently to spec into minmatar heavies once they are released. And the limit on choices of heavy weapons maybe be a problem but my entire thread is about the suit itself not being underpowered. You want to feel a REAL underpowered suit? Spec into scouts which can run you 180k isk with less then 300 HP. Then you can complain. Your post comes across as an entirely self-righteous "heavy dudes are just bad at their class and should stop whining about being UP" viewpoint, which is chronically held by everyone who does not at least use the heavy suit in a semi-dedicated manner.* As such, the following quote (Oh God I'm agreeing with someone in EoN., the horror I feel is inexpressible): Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill. In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) Very nicely illustrates the point, as does this one: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: On a related note; The heavy suit is **** because of our only weapon that can be used in a manor similar to the majority of light weapons. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you should use a heavy suit for heavy weapons not the other way around. The whole idea of the heavy frame/sentinel suits is that you choose to skill into them solely to make use of heavy weapons. If we wanted to primarily make use of light-class weapons on a heavy suit, then in an ideal world we'd pick the Commando. But we wanted to be heavy because we wanted to make use of the enormously powerful heavy weapons. Except that the anti-infantry heavy weapon we have is incapable of supplying us with all of the appropriate capability we require. The HMG being outranged by the AR isn't really the problem either- that's something which must be accepted in order to provide balance. The real issue is that the HMG is incapable of standing toe-to-toe with a medium frame AR user, and winning. Part of this is because of the stupid hitreg with the HMG, in that the incredibly, ridiculously tiny center dot of the reticle MUST be on target in order for ANY hits to be registered. This, incidentally, is how a player is able to strafe their way through streams of HMG fire and take little to no damage. Even a shotgun would get partial hits on, and any AR user would gun their opponent down with impunity. So yes, more heavy weapons would certainly go a long ways to fixing this problem. More heavy suit options would as well, However, there are still some innate problems with the HMG, and there is a MASSIVE issue with anyone claiming that heavies should use ARs instead of HMGs if HMGs are bad, because the HMG is a heavy weapon, and thusly is 90% of the point of using a heavy suit. If somebody told you "Oh, ARs suck, so just use an SMG instead because those are awesome", would you thank them for their advice, or tell them that they're an idiot for not recognizing the fundamental problem of the comparison- that being that a smaller class of weapon is outperforming the larger version in the same role. I know which I would do.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 91	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:55:00 - [23] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Vegetation Monster wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. heavy suit can barley kill a milita scout a foot in front of him, our effective range is 3m, at 20m its like throwing cotton balls enemys... People like you are the problem unless you're being sarcastic. Heavies can use any weapon, its their choice to use the HMG over something else. But complaining the suit itself is underpowered because a gun is doesnt make it underpowered. Oh that's why heavies were put in the game to carry light weapons not heavy weapons thanks you solved the heavies problem..... just to let you know I'm being sarcastic
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2228	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:56:00 - [24] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered. The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered. The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. I championed the good heavy weapons and let the heavy suit be a somewhat crappy buffer tank cause. We lost. If you have a way to convince the Dev's let us know. CCP is just going to leave the HMG crappy and slowly nerf the few functional FGs down to that level. By default that leaves the suit. Name calling is a bad way to make a persuasive argument. But it's a great way to demoralize your opponent and let them know what nasty poopoo head they are.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 311	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:13:00 - [25] - Quote Nobody is really complaining about the heavy suit, from what I can tell. I know I, and most other heavy users and heavy sympathizers, are complaining about the heavy CLASS... Which is impotent... Because we have only one suit. And only two weapons... And only one of those weapons is any good... And the racial and class bonus to the more specialized heavy CLASS is useless. The suit is not the problem. The class is. Don't mistake something along the lines of: "Heavies are terrible" as meaning "Heavy suits are terrible." It means that "Heavies [the class] are terrible."
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 608	Posted - 2013.11.10 23:36:00 - [26] - Quote Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked. Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR. Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG. Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives. So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
lok rark StealthSquad 10	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:46:00 - [27] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked. Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Im really glad thats working for you Mossellia. But it sounds like your not really a dedicated heavy. So you cant actually speak from SPerience . I SP'd into heavy. Sentinel Adv suits3, proto HMG5, enhanced armor, enhanced shields, enhanced damage mod. I cant play heavy anymore. I get chewed up by the geek over and over even in one on one now! I go to another server and get chewed up again. I throw my controller at the ground (gta5) and come back tomorrow and get chewed up all over. The answer is simple, STOP PLAYING HEAVY untill they fix it... I switched to Minmatar ass1, MassDriver3. Works for me. I agree its not that the heavy UP, its that the AR is OverPowered to the extreme. It use to take 3 AR's to drop me. Also i cant believe no other heavies noticed but they have increased the lag time from when you fire a HMG until when the bullets leave your gun. If you walk into an enemy, your dead before the bullets can leave the barrel.
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:43:00 - [28] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked. Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR. Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG. Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives. So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk. /facepalm. Look, I'm going to not be characteristically long-winded about this, and I will obey the KISS principal, because you obviously have no reading comprehension whatsoever. I'll even use bullet points to make it easy to understand. 1. The ENTIRE point of the Heavy dropsuit class is to carry and employ heavy-class weapons. 2. Yes, you can put any other kind of weapon into a heavy weapon slot. No, this is generally not a good idea. 3. If the entire point of the heavy class is to carry heavy weapons, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO USE AN AR?! The HMG should be the far more attractive choice for a short-medium range full-auto bullet hose, if you're a heavy. For the record, the reason NKs are generally considered acceptable (and even then, dedicated knifers will immediately call you out and call you an idiot for thinking this) is because they are mostly-functional. You get close enough, then there is very little that can actually survive being stabbed in the back. Or in the face, if it's a really good NK'er. The flaw in your reasoning is ultimately that it is understood that NKs require a particular type of suit to take advantage of- usually scouts, for their speed and stealth- but NKs can be put onto any suit in the game. The HMG can only be carried by heavy suits. See above bullet points as to why your argument is flawed and makes you look like you are unable to read.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4456	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:58:00 - [29] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked. Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR. Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG. Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives. So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk. /facepalm. Look, I'm going to not be characteristically long-winded about this, and I will obey the KISS principal, because you obviously have no reading comprehension whatsoever. I'll even use bullet points to make it easy to understand. 1. The ENTIRE point of the Heavy dropsuit class is to carry and employ heavy-class weapons. 2. Yes, you can put any other kind of weapon into a heavy weapon slot. No, this is generally not a good idea. 3. If the entire point of the heavy class is to carry heavy weapons, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO USE AN AR?! The HMG should be the far more attractive choice for a short-medium range full-auto bullet hose, if you're a heavy. For the record, the reason NKs are generally considered acceptable (and even then, dedicated knifers will immediately call you out and call you an idiot for thinking this) is because they are mostly-functional. You get close enough, then there is very little that can actually survive being stabbed in the back. Or in the face, if it's a really good NK'er. The flaw in your reasoning is ultimately that it is understood that NKs require a particular type of suit to take advantage of- usually scouts, for their speed and stealth- but NKs can be put onto any suit in the game. The HMG can only be carried by heavy suits. See above bullet points as to why your argument is flawed and makes you look like you are unable to read. I'm afraid this might be too much logic for some to understand...even with a bullet point presentation. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 609	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:09:00 - [30] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked. Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR. Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG. Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives. So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk. /facepalm. Look, I'm going to not be characteristically long-winded about this, and I will obey the KISS principal, because you obviously have no reading comprehension whatsoever. I'll even use bullet points to make it easy to understand. 1. The ENTIRE point of the Heavy dropsuit class is to carry and employ heavy-class weapons. 2. Yes, you can put any other kind of weapon into a heavy weapon slot. No, this is generally not a good idea. 3. If the entire point of the heavy class is to carry heavy weapons, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO USE AN AR?! The HMG should be the far more attractive choice for a short-medium range full-auto bullet hose, if you're a heavy. For the record, the reason NKs are generally considered acceptable (and even then, dedicated knifers will immediately call you out and call you an idiot for thinking this) is because they are mostly-functional. You get close enough, then there is very little that can actually survive being stabbed in the back. Or in the face, if it's a really good NK'er. The flaw in your reasoning is ultimately that it is understood that NKs require a particular type of suit to take advantage of- usually scouts, for their speed and stealth- but NKs can be put onto any suit in the game. The HMG can only be carried by heavy suits. See above bullet points as to why your argument is flawed and makes you look like you are unable to read. Then lobby for the nerf of the AR not the buff of the HMG. Scouts being as thin as THEY are dont need heavies doing more damage. Heavies being as heavy as they are dont need more HP (3 - 6 shotgun shots to bring one dont if they register at all) and Just so you know, Nova Knives are better used on assault and logi suits then Scouts. If you buff the heavy any more you're causing the scout to become even more useless and its nearly dead anyways, at the very least heavies have forgeguns to keep them as a playable class alive. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)



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