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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:10:00 -
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lok rark wrote:see how do you like it when people f@ck with YOU for no reason.
Leave the Heavies alone
You stupid bro?
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
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lok rark
StealthSquad
10
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:11:00 -
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yea i didn't realize this was a troll thread Im stupid i thought it was legit |
Templar 514
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:16:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:I started scouts in chromo and spec straight into them in uprising, I didnt sign up for being constantly nerfed into oblivion. I remember when we could, you know, strafe, before AR and heavies bitched about us being OP because of it.
I believe more learned minds than mine have already established that mega-death-strafe-speeds of scouts in ages past actually broke the HD completely, making said scouts invincible.
Further, you did sign up to be paper thin and incredibly sneaky and mobile. Now I will agree, there is probably tweaking needed to emphasize the mobility of scouts, and I certainly think that there is some changes that need to be made to emphasize the sneakiness of scouts.
But those things should be discussed in a thread dedicated to the topic of scouts.
Mossellia Delt wrote:Once again, you have no idea who I am, my alts have been in Not Guilty, Pure Innocence and The Generals. So yes, iv been in EoN.
You never stated such. Since this is the case, I will ask anyone else in EoN. who posts in this thread to confirm this information. You understand, of course, that I'm not just going to take your word for it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, as the saying goes.
Mossellia Delt wrote:I run prototype mimatar scout suits you ****, and maybe you should check the market prices, the scotu suit and sentinal are the same price.
The Sentinel A/1-Series costs ~13,000 ISK. The Scout M/1-Series costs 8k ISK on the dot, the same as every other non-heavy suit in the game.
The Heavy Frame has it even worse compared to your minja suit, since the Heavy Frame A/1-Series costs at least 21k ISK.
And again, there's nothing that requires to you run minja suits all the time. And if you're really a part of EoN., then why are you not rolling in ISK from being a PC corp, thus allowing you to run proto 24/7? |
lok rark
StealthSquad
10
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:29:00 -
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See im stupid... not only did i get drawn into a scout thread, I was right about the price and let you call me on it.
Heavies attract people with low level intellect I heard so... Why dont you have heavy on your sig |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles.
5399
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:42:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Please forumites, please stop bitching about the heavy suit being under powered.
The heavy suit is not underpowered, just because the AR is OP and Assault / Logi suits need to be fixed does not mean the heavy suit itself is under powered.
The HMG being crap does not making the heavy suit underpowered unlike what I see people posting about. The HMG is not the heavy suit. Please remember this. heavy suit can barley kill a milita scout a foot in front of him, our effective range is 3m, at 20m its like throwing cotton balls enemys... People like you are the problem unless you're being sarcastic. Heavies can use any weapon, its their choice to use the HMG over something else. But complaining the suit itself is underpowered because a gun is doesnt make it underpowered.
Boo,HMG needs buff
the heavy is fading
Level 5 forum warrior
Minmatar rule
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Moselder Telend
Pure Innocence. EoN.
4
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Posted - 2013.11.12 06:46:00 -
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Templar 514 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:I started scouts in chromo and spec straight into them in uprising, I didnt sign up for being constantly nerfed into oblivion. I remember when we could, you know, strafe, before AR and heavies bitched about us being OP because of it. I believe more learned minds than mine have already established that mega-death-strafe-speeds of scouts in ages past actually broke the HD completely, making said scouts invincible. Further, you did sign up to be paper thin and incredibly sneaky and mobile. Now I will agree, there is probably tweaking needed to emphasize the mobility of scouts, and I certainly think that there is some changes that need to be made to emphasize the sneakiness of scouts. But those things should be discussed in a thread dedicated to the topic of scouts. Mossellia Delt wrote:Once again, you have no idea who I am, my alts have been in Not Guilty, Pure Innocence and The Generals. So yes, iv been in EoN. You never stated such. Since this is the case, I will ask anyone else in EoN. who posts in this thread to confirm this information. You understand, of course, that I'm not just going to take your word for it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, as the saying goes. Mossellia Delt wrote:I run prototype mimatar scout suits you ****, and maybe you should check the market prices, the scotu suit and sentinal are the same price. The Sentinel A/1-Series costs ~13,000 ISK. The Scout M/1-Series costs 8k ISK on the dot, the same as every other non-heavy suit in the game. The Heavy Frame has it even worse compared to your minja suit, since the Heavy Frame A/1-Series costs at least 21k ISK. And again, there's nothing that requires to you run minja suits all the time. And if you're really a part of EoN., then why are you not rolling in ISK from being a PC corp, thus allowing you to run proto 24/7?
Me posting on this character whos in EoN proof enough? |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
590
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:58:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Honestly, they need to just revert the HMG back to replication's stats but increase heat build up rate and add a sharpshooter skill. It's supposed to be a heavy weapon and needs to be treated as such. Dust needs a weapon that stops idiots from running head on into everything blindly to encourage more tactics. What were its stats in replication? |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
15
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:09:00 -
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Moselder Telend wrote:Templar 514 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:I started scouts in chromo and spec straight into them in uprising, I didnt sign up for being constantly nerfed into oblivion. I remember when we could, you know, strafe, before AR and heavies bitched about us being OP because of it. I believe more learned minds than mine have already established that mega-death-strafe-speeds of scouts in ages past actually broke the HD completely, making said scouts invincible. Further, you did sign up to be paper thin and incredibly sneaky and mobile. Now I will agree, there is probably tweaking needed to emphasize the mobility of scouts, and I certainly think that there is some changes that need to be made to emphasize the sneakiness of scouts. But those things should be discussed in a thread dedicated to the topic of scouts. Mossellia Delt wrote:Once again, you have no idea who I am, my alts have been in Not Guilty, Pure Innocence and The Generals. So yes, iv been in EoN. You never stated such. Since this is the case, I will ask anyone else in EoN. who posts in this thread to confirm this information. You understand, of course, that I'm not just going to take your word for it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, as the saying goes. Mossellia Delt wrote:I run prototype mimatar scout suits you ****, and maybe you should check the market prices, the scotu suit and sentinal are the same price. The Sentinel A/1-Series costs ~13,000 ISK. The Scout M/1-Series costs 8k ISK on the dot, the same as every other non-heavy suit in the game. The Heavy Frame has it even worse compared to your minja suit, since the Heavy Frame A/1-Series costs at least 21k ISK. And again, there's nothing that requires to you run minja suits all the time. And if you're really a part of EoN., then why are you not rolling in ISK from being a PC corp, thus allowing you to run proto 24/7? Me posting on this character whos in EoN proof enough? Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance.. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
613
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:35:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote: Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance..
Learn to read, he didnt believe my proir post about EoN, PC and scouts. Dumbass
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
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Templar 514
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:40:00 -
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lok rark wrote:See im stupid... not only did i get drawn into a scout thread, I was right about the price and let you call me on it. Heavies attract people with low level intellect I heard so... Why dont you have heavy on your sig
Technically, this is a thread that boils down to the OP whinging about how heavybros should HTFU, because really it's the scoutbros that need love.
OP should really have just made a thread about how scoutbros need love, and simply kept their mouth shut about heavybro problems, which they obviously have no understanding of.
On the subject of the average intelligence of a heavybro..... Well, I'll admit it. Heavybros do have an archetype of doing stupid stuff (like being constantly baited into Remo traps by wily scoutbros), but I'd also argue that the good, and even moderately-okay heavybros, tend to have to play in similarly smart ways as scouts. Not the same way, mind, but both must play smart- the heavy is slow, and thus can't run away, while the scout is flimsy, and thus will probably not live to run away.
If either one bites off more than they can chew, neither will live to see themselves out of the fight. The only difference is that heavies just take a little more time to die, if you go by EHP vs DPS.
As a part time heavy, and occasional dabbler in things scouty, I do think that both require significant intelligence. The heavy just plays more methodically, while scouts are a bit twitchier.
Moselder Telend wrote:Me posting on this character whos in EoN proof enough?
That'll suffice. This being said, since you are in EoN., why can't you transfer the effectively infinite amount of ISK you acquire from PC to keep yourself swimming in proto minja suits from here to the end of the world?
Also, since I assume that the toon you used to post the thread is your scout alt, and is obviously not affiliated with EoN. aside from being your alt, why do you care that EoN. doesn't call for scout players? You obviously already have the SP investment into a role that is considered desirable to EoN. (which scouts apparently aren't, according to you*), so what's the problem here?
*The only other EoN. member to post in this thread has commented that scouts are apparently used by EoN. Maybe it's a corp thing, and Pure Innocence. doesn't like scouts, while SyNergy Gaming does? If that's the case, maybe you should request a corp transfer to SyNergy Gaming if they happen to like scouts. |
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
234
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:58:00 -
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Nah. I've killed heavies with every weapon there is out there. They're underpowered.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus."
We are but dust and shadow
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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lok rark
StealthSquad
10
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:09:00 -
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Quote:Technically, this is a thread that boils down to the OP whinging about how heavybros should HTFU, because really it's the scoutbros that need love.
OP should really have just made a thread about how scoutbros need love, and simply kept their mouth shut about heavybro problems, which they obviously have no understanding of.
I agree this is the real problem.
Ccp refuse to address any problems directly. Ie they fix neither the heavy or the scout. (I run Alt scout so I know the pain.) They refuse to fix anything except buff AR!?!. Everyone complains about THEIR OWN set up but CCP WONT listen. So the players are left with no choice except to complain to the other players FOR POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS or acknowledgment that they really do need help . That is STUPID>
This is the real question...
What OTHER weapon can you run effectively against AR?
The REAL ANSWER is
idk? none 0.k
Scout bros need love to, no doubt. Sry Scouts... As a stupid heavy I assumed all other scouts run the evil ' douvall' or its sinister lil brother the 'geek'.
I run lvl5 AsScr G/1scout- lvl 5 MD M/1assault- Lvl 8 heavy WEP A/1 sentinel
At this point i have given up trying to figure CCP out and am working on different suit fits instead of heavy. The only good advice i could give is read what the vets are doing instead. I read about a heavy who switched to Assault MD so I tried it... works for me.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1142
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:38:00 -
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Templar 514 wrote:At least start in the FW arenas, where player groups tend to be much more encouraged to organize themselves.
I'll be honest: I haven't been having too much trouble in FW. My experience there reflects my experience in pubs pretty well. Which is: HMG is still beast in tight areas with lots of cover. HMG dies everywhere else.
I don't think the gun needs a tremendous buff, the -5% dispersion/level Sharpshooter skill would do the trick.
And if CCP introduced a legitimate weapon option that covers the effective engagement chasm between HMG and Forge Gun, Heavy as a class would be in pretty good shape.
It's just hard getting CCP to acknowledge we exist. It's: "No comment. No comment. No comment. Oh yeah. Heavies. Here guys, have something you never asked for and have next to no interest in!" (e.g. Commando, HP Buff)
Then again, Scouts get the same treatment with the scan range "buff"...
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XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles.
5428
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:43:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked.
Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR.
Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG.
Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives.
So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk.
So ya just run a AR and you will be fine,fix the HMG
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Minmatar rule
Warrior of bacon
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
220
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:04:00 -
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Try this heavies! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1482038#post1482038 |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
15
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:18:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote: Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance..
Learn to read, he didnt believe my proir post about EoN, PC and scouts. Dumbass I've read but does it matter? No matter of who you are with you aren't **** and a nobody to me. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
615
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote: Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance..
Learn to read, he didnt believe my proir post about EoN, PC and scouts. Dumbass I've read but does it matter? No matter of who you are with you aren't **** and a nobody to me.
So you're a ******, thats what im picking up? lol
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
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Templar 514
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:47:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:I'll be honest: I haven't been having too much trouble in FW. My experience there reflects my experience in pubs pretty well. Which is: HMG is still beast in tight areas with lots of cover. HMG dies everywhere else.
I don't think the gun needs a tremendous buff, the -5% dispersion/level Sharpshooter skill would do the trick.
And if CCP introduced a legitimate weapon option that covers the effective engagement chasm between HMG and Forge Gun, Heavy as a class would be in pretty good shape.
It's just hard getting CCP to acknowledge we exist. It's: "No comment. No comment. No comment. Oh yeah. Heavies. Here guys, have something you never asked for and have next to no interest in!" (e.g. Commando, HP Buff)
Then again, Scouts get the same treatment with the scan range "buff"...
Hmm. Interesting. Certainly I think that the HMG generally dominates in close quarter engagements, but there are some mechanical problems with its usage (see here for a very thorough examination of HMG hitreg mechanics (also, not mine, but very informative)).
That said, I actually think that if the dispersion was functioning more similarly to the shotgun (ref video to see why it currently isn't that way), then just increasing the rate at which the dispersion tightens would go a long way towards helping its damage application.
That, along with an increase in the falloff range of the Assault variant of the HMG would certainly go a long ways towards helping out HMG heavies specifically, as well as broadening heavy options generally for the time being. Of course, I do definitely agree that some heavy weapons that lie between HMG and FG effective engagement ranges would be way better. Partly because more huegguns is good, and partly because more content in general is good.
As an aside, I thought the Commando buff went a long way towards improving the 'lolmando'. But it's not really a heavy thing insofar as "I want to be bootylicious and carry big guns". It's more of a "I like light-class guns better, and I also think heavies are cool". Commando is a specialization that medium frame guys might take later on to branch out, or that you might start off with to get the (supposed) versatility of two light-class weapons.
If we had more variety in the form of weapons aping the function of the launcher-type weapons (MD, PlasCan, Swarms), then I'd say it would actually be more popular.
As far as the Scout 'buff'.... I'll keep this as brief as I can, but I don't think it's enough. I do think it's an interesting start, though. It was also a pretty solid perk for users of the Gallente Scout, because now you can get amazing scan range through skills alone, and insane scan range through the careful application of modules. It is also likely an aid to Minjas, though probably not much of one.
I don't dig it. The main issue is that a stationary heavy is a dead heavy (I can't count the number of HMG heavy vs HMG heavy duels I've won simply by strafing), and any "long-range anti-infantry" heavy weapon would really need to outrange the rifles.
It's somewhat clear that the Assault HMG is supposed to be the equal in range to the AR (even though it currently isn't), so a proper long-range heavy weapon would need superior-to-AR distance to it, especially considering the fact that heavies can't really run away from a fight- they're just too slow. Once they start shooting, they've committed to the firefight, while even a medium-frame user can generally just run away. |
Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
15
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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:02:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote: Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance..
Learn to read, he didnt believe my proir post about EoN, PC and scouts. Dumbass I've read but does it matter? No matter of who you are with you aren't **** and a nobody to me. So you're a ******, thats what im picking up? lol Nah not really but it's sad when you try to prove things to people.. if you are in EoN so what no need to prove it to anyone these are one of the saddest acts from humanity :) |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
328
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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:31:00 -
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Ive just skilled into the ScR now to use instead of the HMG, but i still end up as one of the weakest link in the squad because im in an constant need of nanohives.
And the only heavies "dont need" an buff to their hmg are the 25-35 mill sp players, but they seldom play outside their comfort zone or without extensive backup.
Everyone knows the hmg is bullcrap, saying otherwise just shows how ignorant some people are.
An HMG with less damage per bullet than an SMG? Come on! |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
618
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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:46:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote: Is being in EoN anything special or are you just throwing it around to make yourself feel special? Last time i checked EoN isn't special just a big alliance..
Learn to read, he didnt believe my proir post about EoN, PC and scouts. Dumbass I've read but does it matter? No matter of who you are with you aren't **** and a nobody to me. So you're a ******, thats what im picking up? lol Nah not really but it's sad when you try to prove things to people.. if you are in EoN so what no need to prove it to anyone these are one of the saddest acts from humanity :)
Im not sure you're literate. He asked me for proof I was in EoN. I gave him proof. You come in an **** the place up being a moron.
Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r
Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
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Kira Takizawa
Ethereal Eden
15
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Posted - 2013.11.14 04:29:00 -
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And I guess the same goes for you.. I'm not sure you are literate.. again it's sad. And nice name calling can't be civil? |
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