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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:11:00 -
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The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill.
In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?)
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:23:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:The suit doesn't mean a thing when the weapon doesn't offer the opportunity to kill.
In other words having 400hp or 600hp means nothing. You just live a little longer to shoot spitballs at red dots. The bonus for the Sentinel suit sucks though. Just what i wanted though, a bonus for a weapon not in the game yet (scrambler HMG? Laser HMG?) Then people should lobby for the weapons alone instead of bitching about the suit itself.
Who bitches about the suit???? People bitching about THE LACK OF SUITS
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:58:00 -
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Templar 514 wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Heavies have access to every weapon, not just heavy weapons last I checked.
Because you (pointing to many in this thread) dont want to use different weapons for diffent situations is your problem. The Assault Rifle is over powered, and the HMG is only under powered because the AR.
Not yet have I heard someone say AR vs Nova knives are unfair, AR is too strong. Everyone instead accepts that if you are "this" distance away with Nova Knives you should die, why not look at it the same way with the HMG.
Im getting sick of heavies bitching about this crap. Now im good at this game, theres no doubt to that, if you've seen me on a regular basis you know this. I can play my prototype scout using my prototype weapons and I have to struggle to kick as much ass as I do. Now I can jump on my mlt heavy with std HMG and breeze through enemies no problem, even easier if I use my adv FG. To be honest everything is 10 times easier on the mlt heavy then it is on my scout using every weapon I have sans the knives.
So sorry if I dont feel sympathy that I can survive longer then 0.5 seconds vs weapon fire like im use to and only spend about 10k isk instead of 150k isk. /facepalm. Look, I'm going to not be characteristically long-winded about this, and I will obey the KISS principal, because you obviously have no reading comprehension whatsoever. I'll even use bullet points to make it easy to understand. 1. The ENTIRE point of the Heavy dropsuit class is to carry and employ heavy-class weapons. 2. Yes, you can put any other kind of weapon into a heavy weapon slot. No, this is generally not a good idea. 3. If the entire point of the heavy class is to carry heavy weapons, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO USE AN AR?! The HMG should be the far more attractive choice for a short-medium range full-auto bullet hose, if you're a heavy. For the record, the reason NKs are generally considered acceptable (and even then, dedicated knifers will immediately call you out and call you an idiot for thinking this) is because they are mostly-functional. You get close enough, then there is very little that can actually survive being stabbed in the back. Or in the face, if it's a really good NK'er. The flaw in your reasoning is ultimately that it is understood that NKs require a particular type of suit to take advantage of- usually scouts, for their speed and stealth- but NKs can be put onto any suit in the game. The HMG can only be carried by heavy suits. See above bullet points as to why your argument is flawed and makes you look like you are unable to read.
I'm afraid this might be too much logic for some to understand...even with a bullet point presentation.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:19:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:
Then lobby for the nerf of the AR not the buff of the HMG. Scouts being as thin as THEY are dont need heavies doing more damage. Heavies being as heavy as they are dont need more HP (3 - 6 shotgun shots to bring one dont if they register at all) and Just so you know, Nova Knives are better used on assault and logi suits then Scouts.
If you buff the heavy any more you're causing the scout to become even more useless and its nearly dead anyways, at the very least heavies have forgeguns to keep them as a playable class alive.
you don't know when to quit do you...
Your logic is don't buff the HMG because scouts...
Honestly... I know scouts need a buff, but that's for scouts to write about. Don't come in here and talk don't buff heavies because scouts will suffer...dafuq did I just read. I swear I hear the dumbest things on this forum.
I don't care if the AR gets nerf, THAT'S NOT THE ARGUMENT FOR HEAVIES.
Here, I'll tell you what heavies need to do their job:
- Less bullet spread on HMGs
- If decreasing spread is not an option, increase DMG
- If increasing DMG is not an option, increase HP by AT LEAST 50%
- If that's not an option, take the class out the game, take scouts out of the game, and let only medium suits play.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:31:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I just met a Heavy in the Gallente research lab map. He wrecked everything in his way. Killed 3 blueberries who were firing at him, and he would have almost killed me, as I've slain him with my OMGWTFBBQ Scambler rifle, with 50HP left. Heavies are totally underpowered His name is Jacques Clayton (or very similar to that) He was in my squad. I only remember because i saw you in game for the first time and then you immediately started firing swarms at me. He is an EXCEPTIONAL player. Do not use him as a grounds for evaluation.
lol pub games... even militia heavies can do good given the "competition" sometimes
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:51:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:I think the problem with heavies is that they crap for situation awareness. I run a scout suit and always sneak up on heavies from behind getting pretty easy kills with plasma cannon. I don't see much of a problem with this. I barely ever see heavies use cover, they too often run around solo thinking that they are a mini-Tank.
When I think of a heavy I think it was meant to be played as a part of a squad with logis close by repping them. If you run by urself or you are out in the open in a heavy suit, you deserve to die.
Disclosure: I've only run A-1 in this build, I dont run heavy as my main.
You're talking about the typical clueless player. Doesn't matter what class he plays that's how he'll play anyway.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:29:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:
And the last part "the whole basis of scout vs heavy balance is supposed to be that the scout can outmaneuver the heavy" IS kinda imposible since heavies can turn as fast as scouts. Which doesnt allow us to run around them without being instant killed.
Play a scout, even a mlt one, for a few games. Now imagine that but it costs you 150k isk a suit. It dies to 0.5 of a second of incoming fire, grenades instant kill no matter what, and we cant make any mistake or its instantly fatal. WE CANT EVEN SURVIVE A SMALL FALL.
your arguments for scouts is starting to get obnoxious now.
"On the matter of the heavy suit" <-- title of the thread.
Shut up about balancing heavy suits to cater to scout suits. I don't give a **** what scout suits get tbh, all people want is the HMG buffed. Go cry in a thread about scouts.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.11.11 20:46:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
And the last part "the whole basis of scout vs heavy balance is supposed to be that the scout can outmaneuver the heavy" IS kinda imposible since heavies can turn as fast as scouts. Which doesnt allow us to run around them without being instant killed.
Play a scout, even a mlt one, for a few games. Now imagine that but it costs you 150k isk a suit. It dies to 0.5 of a second of incoming fire, grenades instant kill no matter what, and we cant make any mistake or its instantly fatal. WE CANT EVEN SURVIVE A SMALL FALL.
your arguments for scouts is starting to get obnoxious now. "On the matter of the heavy suit" <-- title of the thread. Shut up about balancing heavy suits to cater to scout suits. I don't give a **** what scout suits get tbh, all people want is the HMG buffed. Go cry in a thread about scouts. Or you could not be in MY thread. HMG is not the heavy, if you dumbasses could get that through your large thick skull you might understand that. At least heavies seem to have a place in PC but you never see two or three scouts per team. You never see people looking for scouts in EoN PC, they wont even accept scouts for PC battles last I checked.
HMG is not heavy? What is it, a scout?...
Heavies have no place in PC... other than rooftop campers with FGs. If you see a heavy it's because they can't get another Assault player, OR you put 2-4 heavies in a room and tell them defend that.
I've seen scouts do hit and run tactics quite effectively in PC games... don't know what you talking about.
You bring scout suits vs heavies like that matters somehow... the OP was the dumbest **** ever, and the thread continues to be a joke.
You're the dumbass that don't get people don't care about the suit, people have been asking to BUFF THE HMG NOT THE SUIT.
So continue pretending that people are asking for a suit buff.
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