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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:46:00 -
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Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4188
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 -
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Who's going to rep the scout really?
Scouts are lone wolves, staying ahead of the team to relay intel.
Fun fact:
There are no logis without 4 low slots and above.
That's right, they can all fit as much armor **** as a Gallente assault, even the Caldari one, while still having that +5hp/s rep.
Let that sink in.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1349
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:55:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me.
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Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4188
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:57:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me.
This comment summed up: "I need it, trust me".
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
70
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:03:00 -
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The scouts have it the worst and no one is going to rep us except us. Oh, the logi's need more bonus?...the scouts need more shields and PG/CPU and armor and slots and stealth and scope zoom for the sniper scouts like me...hell, i would take more stealth than armor, as that is the point of a scout...stealth. seriously, we barely have any bonus' whatsoever..CCP ignores the scouts and praises everything else...except heavies, but even they have it better..
> Master of the Sniper
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
75
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:19:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Oh, the logi's need more bonus?
Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line. |
ShinyJay
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
143
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:41:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Oh, the logi's need more bonus? Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line.
sometimes buffing isn't always the answer to get players into different roles. unless they make the scouts and heavy better to play then the logi, people will pick logi as that will yield the most benefits of all suits. what makes the logi suit more appealing is how you can fill every role with some ease. in terms of battle tactics, it should be assaults in the front lines, logi behind them providing support fire and equipment support, then the heavy with suppressing fire, then the scouts which flank the distracted enemies. all have a clear role on the field, all using what they are best at. right now, that isn't the case
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1350
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me. This comment summed up: "I need it, trust me".
Well yeah considering I go the extra mile to be a medic I do need it, I even explained why and in a very reasonable manner.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1350
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:50:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Oh, the logi's need more bonus? Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line.
This.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
53
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:51:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1377
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:56:00 -
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So should we remove the minnie-s inate rep too 
What do you think about Logi's using their repper on themselves if it was allowed?
I dunno, I never had a problem with Logis having that HP bonus, it was always other factors that bothered me *shrugs*
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
751
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
Ok fine, I'll put an armor repper on my suit. But think about this
If I have to fit a complex armor repper (anything below 5HP/s is useless), then that is less CPU/PG I have. And less CPU/PG means that I can run that good repair tool or have that nice injector that gives you 80% armor back upon revival.
And yeah when you use yourself as a human shield to prevent people from dying upon revival, then talk about how Logi's don't need a repair bonus.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1077
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:32:00 -
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Two words: Local Reps
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
910
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:49:00 -
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Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits.
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Eskel Bondfree
DUST University
Ivy League
158
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:09:00 -
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The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi.
However, since logis need to be alive to do their job, I see nothing wrong with a built in 1 HP/s armor rep for all logi suits, similar to the Minmatar assault. That would keep them prepped up over time while they do their job in the back row.
And if a logi wants to stay alive under fire on the front line, he needs to fit the modules for it like any other suit and slap on an armor repper. That's what the many slots are there for. |
Quil'n Khan
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:24:00 -
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As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself.
Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed. |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University
Ivy League
158
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:41:00 -
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Quil'n Khan wrote:As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself.
Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed.
Looks completely OP to me. Every armor tanked assault could rep themselves up within a couple of seconds, armor repair modules would be obsolete except on heavies. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2036
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:48:00 -
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I'd like the Gallente logi to have its bonuses switched. The Gallente seems to me to be the closest to the traditional 3 Rs of the logi; Repping Reviving & Resupplying.
The CPU/PG bonus on the other hand, is something that suits all logis perfectly, and doesn't give them a combat advantage.
No.
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Quil'n Khan
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:52:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:Quil'n Khan wrote:As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself.
Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed. Looks completely OP to me. Every armor tanked assault could rep themselves up within a couple of seconds, armor repair modules would be obsolete except on heavies.
Well it makes the argument of this whole thread pointless. One person complaining about me getting a whole whopping 5 hp a second while I am dishing out 175 for teammates. Sounds like I am getting the short end of the stick.
So yeah if a assault wants to run a repair tool for self reps instead of ammo...I am fine with that as well. |
8213
Grade No.2
576
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:54:00 -
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What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive...
what is this repping you speak of? |
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1225
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:02:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits.
Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK
Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK
Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK
Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK
Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK
Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK
Logistics ak.0
1 Complex damage mod
2 basic shield extenders
GEK-38
Toxin SMG
Ishukone nanohive
Wiyrkomi nanite injector
Core repair tool
3 enhanced plates
1 complex armor repairer
Cost: 126,420 ISK
That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use.
Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
4079
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:07:00 -
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my opinion on the argument that logi's need the inherent rep bonus (which i admit is kinda nice).
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Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:14:00 -
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Logi's rep themselves with nanohives. /thread
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1458
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Who's going to rep the scout really?
Scouts are lone wolves, staying ahead of the team to relay intel.
Fun fact:
There are no logis without 4 low slots and above.
That's right, they can all fit as much armor **** as a Gallente assault, even the Caldari one, while still having that +5hp/s rep.
Let that sink in.
Another fun fact, when tanked, every logi has a 100 or more HP gain over the assaults.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1710
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:47:00 -
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Lv2spd2 wrote:Django Quik wrote:TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you.
Read the op mate. The reason i mention scouts is because i am one. No one reps me and i don't want anyone repping me because they'll give my position away! I know Im not going to get repped, so you know what i do? I have a repper in one of my 2 low slots!
Now you others saying logis need innate reps, that is BS. You want to be able to tank to the max and never worry about repair. You have so many slots that sacrificing one for a repper is really not that big a deal and it's not going to stop you running decent gear.
And Im not even getting involved in the whole logi vs assault argument. All Im saying is that if you want to have repair without having to rely on a logi to do it for you, you'll be in the exact same situation that everyone else is. We can't all just assume that there's going to be a repping logi following up around every game, especially in pubs! So we use armor reppers and sacrifice something else that might also have otherwise been very useful. That's the way this game works - you can't have the best of everything. But when i hear logis saying things like some have said in this thread it sounds very much like you think it's perfectly fine that you should be able to do it all.
That is BS.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1710
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:55:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:shaman oga wrote:Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK Logistics ak.0 1 Complex damage mod 2 basic shield extenders GEK-38 Toxin SMG Ishukone nanohive Wiyrkomi nanite injector Core repair tool 3 enhanced plates 1 complex armor repairer Cost: 126,420 ISK That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use. Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run.
I have proto scout suits that cost more than that with a third the ehp, advanced weapons and standard equipment. The most expensive part of your fit is by far the suit itself.
And besides, i don't see what any of this has to do with logis needing that repping bonus, especially since you've got a repper on it anyway.
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
283
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:12:00 -
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I've been playing a Logi since Open Beta and recently switched over to the Assault. Playing my Logi as an Assault gives me more options but at the advanced level, I feel that the speed, shield recharge and assault bonuses > my Logi in terms of being a slayer. However, my Logi does buff more health when fully tanked but he's absurdly slow and, honestly, why not simply buff assault and even tweak heavies just a bit more?
Give the assault suit more base health like the heavies and commandos just had, that way a Logistics can retain the armor rep bonus and remain a viable, adaptable class on the field. The armor bonus does seem rather odd but I suppose I understand the inherent philosophy but they need more of a health/healing/support bonus. Like, 5% to nanohive and nanite injectors efficacy or rep tool efficacy or some sort of Improved Tech. Understanding that enhances all electronic equipment within a 5 meter radius, giving them and their teammates a boost. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
247
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:20:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi.
I think this is completely fair if you remove inherent shield regen from the Gal, or at least a much greater reduction. It's only like 110 shields at max anyways.
Always did think the Gal bonus should have been the generic logi bonus. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4738
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:22:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi. I think this is completely fair if you remove inherent shield regen from the Gal, or at least a much greater reduction. It's only like 110 shields at max anyways. Always did think the Gal bonus should have been the generic logi bonus.
How's that fair?
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
935
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Posted - 2013.11.08 23:48:00 -
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Meh they can keep it, its not really overpowered, it doesn't help in combat!
Bit of armour repping jealously?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:36:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Meh they can keep it, its not really overpowered, it doesn't help in combat!
Bit of armour repping jealously?
Doesn't help in combat? It's a free complex module for survivability. That's a combat bonus.
No.
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
325
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:46:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:shaman oga wrote:Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK Logistics ak.0 1 Complex damage mod 2 basic shield extenders GEK-38 Toxin SMG Ishukone nanohive Wiyrkomi nanite injector Core repair tool 3 enhanced plates 1 complex armor repairer Cost: 126,420 ISK That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use. Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run.
Not to mention all the SP it takes to get all that equipmentto proto....I could have maxed an assault two time over by now. You usually make great posts Deadly but this one not so much and stop assuming all logis are proto getting the full 5 hp/s. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1230
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:51:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:shaman oga wrote:Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK Logistics ak.0 1 Complex damage mod 2 basic shield extenders GEK-38 Toxin SMG Ishukone nanohive Wiyrkomi nanite injector Core repair tool 3 enhanced plates 1 complex armor repairer Cost: 126,420 ISK That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use. Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run. I have proto scout suits that cost more than that with a third the ehp, advanced sidearms only and standard equipment. The most expensive part of your fit is by far the suit itself. And besides, i don't see what any of this has to do with logis needing that repping bonus, especially since you've got a repper on it anyway.
Only reason for the repairer is for the other Amarr logi bonus, being armor repair module efficiency.
What I'm getting at is that for having just an advanced weapon and standard sidearm it's expensive. Along with having equipment geared to be what everyone thinks a logi should be.
Also I have an advanced logi suit that costs more than that too. Because I have an Allotek burst AR and Ishukone assault SMG, with Wiyrkomi triage and Allotek hives.
Yes the bonus is BS right now. But logi suits don't need a "nerf" the Gallente needs it's high slots removed and the caldari needs two less low slots.
I'm all for them changing the repair bonus to something that pertains to being a logi, but look how long we've waited? How much longer do we have to wait? While the whole time "assault" scrubs whine about logi suits killed when in all actuality it was a 3v1 situation trying to get them nerfed. Assaults are fine, logis are fine. I will say, scouts and heavies need a heavy rework. But again, how long will that take?
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1459
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:20:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Meh they can keep it, its not really overpowered, it doesn't help in combat!
Bit of armour repping jealously? Doesn't help in combat? It's a free complex module for survivability. That's a combat bonus.
And having another slot for a Complex armor plate.
So yeah, it's one of the things that make logis able have a 100-300 HP lead on assaults.
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RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
590
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:06:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
I respect the Scout. It is a rough life for you in the Burn Zone.
But it is easy for you to look inward, from the fringes, from the shadows, and judge me. I don't have stealth or speed or the luxury of retreat. In am in the trenches, in the thick of the fight. I put my ISK on the line in ways you would never dream of.
I don't really expect you to understand. A few bad apples, they have spoiled the class. Made us pariahs. It is sad really.
I forgive your ignorance. Good luck out there. Keep your head down. If our paths ever cross and you are sporting friendly blue, if you are weak and injured, my rep tool will be waiting. I don't hate...I only heal. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
340
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:56:00 -
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8213 wrote:What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive...
what is this repping you speak of?
I believe you are thinking of a Nyain San 'logi'. I think in Japan, "logi" is a slang term for a yakuza hitman, so they all assumed that that's what the suit is for.
I also believe that core locus loosely translates to "beautiful flower blossom", so they naturally want to spread them around....
(Oh, and the logi suits are fine. If you want to require equip slots to be filled that works b/c I do that anyway. Buff scouts for crying out loud!)
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:17:00 -
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Personally, IDGAF about the bonus. It's nice to have, but I figured out what makes reactive plates worthwhile. Give me something like +5% to deployed equipment carried per level and I'll be happy. But somehow I'll know people will get butthurt about that too. Lots of logicism on here.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.09 04:23:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.
Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?
The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.
TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.
Yeah and who repairs heavies? Assaults? scouts...?
NOT THE LOGIS since they are too busy killing everything.
If the bonuses would see removed and changed for the very useful 5% CPU-PG fitting cost reduction to equipment,THEN we might be some repair tools on the field.
''Who is going to rep the logis?''
The same that repairs all the rest of the suits. Either no one,or other logis...
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Eskel Bondfree
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Yeah and who repairs heavies? Assaults? scouts...?
NOT THE LOGIS since they are too busy killing everything.
If the bonuses would see removed and changed for the very useful 5% CPU-PG fitting cost reduction to equipment,THEN we might be some repair tools on the field.
You make it sound like just because some people like to use logi suits for their assault builds, no one uses them for support builds anymore. This is ridiculous. It's never been like this, and it's not like this right now.
I suppose we both agree that assault and logi suit bonuses are BS for the most part. Still, there's not need to pull some arbitrary claim out of your behind to make up for some actual arguments. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:26:00 -
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If I could rep myself with own rep tool that would be great but Id end up having to do that rather than repping others.
The answer is buffing the other classes, I see gallente scouts with 600 armour stacked going toe to toe like an assault. Its a beast and not exactly a scout but I'm fine with that.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:27:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Logi's rep themselves with nanohives. /thread
Yes but I carry hives to support my team, I'd be less of a logi if I had to use my hives to heal myself.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:30:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Lv2spd2 wrote:Django Quik wrote:TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you. Read the op mate. The reason i mention scouts is because i am one. No one reps me and i don't want anyone repping me because they'll give my position away! I know Im not going to get repped, so you know what i do? I have a repper in one of my 2 low slots! Now you others saying logis need innate reps, that is BS. You want to be able to tank to the max and never worry about repair. You have so many slots that sacrificing one for a repper is really not that big a deal and it's not going to stop you running decent gear. And Im not even getting involved in the whole logi vs assault argument. All Im saying is that if you want to have repair without having to rely on a logi to do it for you, you'll be in the exact same situation that everyone else is. We can't all just assume that there's going to be a repping logi following up around every game, especially in pubs! So we use armor reppers and sacrifice something else that might also have otherwise been very useful. That's the way this game works - you can't have the best of everything. But when i hear logis saying things like some have said in this thread it sounds very much like you think it's perfectly fine that you should be able to do it all. That is BS.
No fking way. Stop assuming we are all dk heads like you imply, the answer is buff other suits not nerf things because fkers abuse things. Your smarter than that I know you are.
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Idye Lotz
xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:31:00 -
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8213 wrote:What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive...
what is this repping you speak of?
There was such thing as an armour repairing logi back before people died by being looked at (oh wait that is Scout, two shotted I meant). Not many around anymore seeing as most everyone is dead before you can get the repair tool out and lock on.
Sorry for shooting you in the back. Now please look elsewhere so I can continue.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:36:00 -
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8213 wrote:What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive...
what is this repping you speak of?
This guy obviously hasn't met Reiselia or he'd know about her OP rep tool dropping 2 solo OB's in skirmish matches 1 of which was just from repping fools.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:41:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:8213 wrote:What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive...
what is this repping you speak of? This guy obviously hasn't met Reiselia or he'd know about her OP rep tool dropping 2 solo OB's in skirmish matches 1 of which was just from repping fools.
Spamming equipment and having your squad do all the work is bad ass now? Daaaaamn lol.
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Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:42:00 -
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Lv2spd2 wrote:Django Quik wrote:TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you.
And how precisely are you going to do that when we still can't see who we are repping? |
Mirataf
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:02:00 -
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I'm not going to be liked for this but flame on
All the usual suspect weapons should be reduced by 20%
All suits bar logi should get 2% damage bonus per level of suit including basic frame. Or make this a 6x skill advanced per suit. Yes I'm suggesting an sp sink.
A logi should be there as support not killing. The only times my gun comes out is when my repee ( think I just invented a word) goes down, in which case the enemy should have some damage and I should be able to have a good chance of killing them and then gtfo to regroup
Also nano hives and uplinks need to be grouped in the code and you should only be able to drop and have active 6 pieces between these 2
Proximity and re need to be grouped and again 8 deployed and active
STOP THE BLOODY SPAMMING!!!!!!!!
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:02:00 -
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Tech, I've always liked you mate but think we're just going to disagree on this. The bonus could easily be replaced with something else - Im not necessarily advocating a nerf, just an adjustment. Logis can easily fit reppers and don't need it built in any more than any one else.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:12:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Tech, I've always liked you mate but think we're just going to disagree on this. The bonus could easily be replaced with something else - Im not necessarily advocating a nerf, just an adjustment. Logis can easily fit reppers and don't need it built in any more than any one else.
Yeah fair play, I just get mad being lumped in with the assault logis but here's the funny bit, I picked amarr logi and am now speccing in min logi because the sidearm no longer warrants the lack of speed for me lol.
I fked up big time.
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:13:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Yeah and who repairs heavies? Assaults? scouts...?
NOT THE LOGIS since they are too busy killing everything.
If the bonuses would see removed and changed for the very useful 5% CPU-PG fitting cost reduction to equipment,THEN we might be some repair tools on the field.
You make it sound like just because some people like to use logi suits for their assault builds, no one uses them for support builds anymore. This is ridiculous. It's never been like this, and it's not like this right now. I suppose we both agree that assault and logi suit bonuses are BS for the most part. Still, there's not need to pull some arbitrary claim out of your behind to make up for some actual arguments.
Yes, but it is a bit of a fifty fifty split lately.
There are TONS of murderlogi do out there, mainly used by the pubstomping squads, to great effect, just turning everything into paste with a huge HP lead on everybody but heavies.
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Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Who's going to rep the scout really?
Scouts are lone wolves, staying ahead of the team to relay intel.
Fun fact:
There are no logis without 4 low slots and above.
That's right, they can all fit as much armor **** as a Gallente assault, even the Caldari one, while still having that +5hp/s rep.
Let that sink in.
That's okay since armor seems to remain useless. Got cut in half the other night in about half a second by a militia AR. My suit was running about 760 hp. Have since deleted all armor fittings |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:37:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Django Quik wrote:Tech, I've always liked you mate but think we're just going to disagree on this. The bonus could easily be replaced with something else - Im not necessarily advocating a nerf, just an adjustment. Logis can easily fit reppers and don't need it built in any more than any one else. Yeah fair play, I just get mad being lumped in with the assault logis but here's the funny bit, I picked amarr logi and am now speccing in min logi because the sidearm no longer warrants the lack of speed for me lol. I fked up big time.
We never said you were an assault logi.
All is throwing out logi proposals aren't trying to hurt real bros, but kill the blemish that is assault logis.
Actually, a few propose+és include a buff to fitting the equipment the truebros use.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:07:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I'd like the Gallente logi to have its bonuses switched. The Gallente seems to me to be the closest to the traditional 3 Rs of the logi; Repping Reviving & Resupplying.
The CPU/PG bonus on the other hand, is something that suits all logis perfectly, and doesn't give them a combat advantage.
That is the hope when the suits and skills are redone. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:11:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi.
However, since logis need to be alive to do their job, I see nothing wrong with a built in 1 HP/s armor rep for all logi suits, similar to the Minmatar assault. That would keep them prepped up over time while they do their job in the back row.
And if a logi wants to stay alive under fire on the front line, he needs to fit the modules for it like any other suit and slap on an armor repper. That's what the many slots are there for.
The skill is 1HP/s... per level. Otherwise it would take 4-6 minutes to repair all the armor - and rarely do any of us live that long. That is a worthless bonus. It would not keep them "repped up over time".
Logic failed. But you bounced back with a module suggestion so I guess we can discount the previous error. |
Eskel Bondfree
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:12:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:
The skill is 1HP/s... per level. Otherwise it would take 4-6 minutes to repair all the armor - and rarely do any of us live that long. That is a worthless bonus. It would not keep them "repped up over time".
But that was exactly my point. 1 HP/s does not give you an edge in combat, but it's the difference between slowly rebuilding your armor buffer (over time, and of course only if you stay alive) and having no armor regen at all. It would mostly benefit shield tanked suits that don't want to sacrifice a low slot (armor tanked suits would still benefit from it).
Maybe we just misunderstood. The suggested 1HP/s armor rep would be built into the suit, independent of any skill level (see Minmatar assault). The actual suit related skill bonus would be something completely different on top of that (and it should not be the 1HP/s repair per level it is now).
LIke I said earlier, if you want to stay alive under fire, you fit the right modules. My suggestion was to give the logi suit a useful characteristic for their intended purpose, without giving them an inherent combat bonus like they have now. |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.11 21:06:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Eskel Bondfree wrote:The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi.
However, since logis need to be alive to do their job, I see nothing wrong with a built in 1 HP/s armor rep for all logi suits, similar to the Minmatar assault. That would keep them prepped up over time while they do their job in the back row.
And if a logi wants to stay alive under fire on the front line, he needs to fit the modules for it like any other suit and slap on an armor repper. That's what the many slots are there for. The skill is 1HP/s... per level. Otherwise it would take 4-6 minutes to repair all the armor - and rarely do any of us live that long. That is a worthless bonus. It would not keep them "repped up over time". Logic failed. But you bounced back with a module suggestion so I guess we can discount the previous error.
I gives them the room to fit fit more plates, with not having to fit a armor repper.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:54:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:We never said you were an assault logi.
All is throwing out logi proposals aren't trying to hurt real bros, but kill the blemish that is assault logis.
Actually, a few propose+és include a buff to fitting the equipment the truebros use.
The big problem with this is that a lot of proposals to 'fix' Logistics involve horrendously nerfing them to the point where they are Battlefield Bitches. Logistics are support suits, but they are not worthless offensively. See the, "Only Sidearms!" or, "50% less damage dealt!" 'ideas.'
I'm a big advocate of upping Assault/Heavy/Scout module layouts (and a corresponding PG/CPU increase) as well as altering the Role Bonuses to being relevant as well as the Racial Role Bonuses to being effective. There are many ways to readdress balance before some of the more ridiculous claims that have been demanded on the forums. |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:01:00 -
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Having watched other players using non-Logistics suits recently, I can definitely see a better reasoning behind improving other suits. For instance, an Amarrian Assault has very few module slots: if we marginally reduced the effectiveness of all modules, but increased the available slots for all non-Logistics suits (since they currently have the most) then we can have much more variety.
That Amarrian Assault can run Dampeners and Plates, instead of either/or: if the modules themselves are scaled proportionally that module choice becomes viable, we will see more interesting variety. |
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Ethereal Eden
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Posted - 2013.11.25 05:13:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Meh they can keep it, its not really overpowered, it doesn't help in combat!
Bit of armour repping jealously? Doesn't help in combat? It's a free complex module for survivability. That's a combat bonus.
Depends on how you use it. I know I personally as a logi hate getting into battles due to the swiftness of my death so I use the rep bonus to haul ass >.>
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