DUST Search - Who's going to rep the logi?

Cat Merc wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww.

Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper?

The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do.

TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap.

No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me.

This comment summed up: "I need it, trust me".

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Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1708	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:46:00 - [1] - Quote Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww. Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper? The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do. TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4188	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 - [2] - Quote Who's going to rep the scout really? Scouts are lone wolves, staying ahead of the team to relay intel. Fun fact: There are no logis without 4 low slots and above. That's right, they can all fit as much armor ** as a Gallente assault, even the Caldari one, while still having that +5hp/s rep. Let that sink in. Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant Beta Vet Level 4 Forum Warrior**
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1349	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:55:00 - [3] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww. Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper? The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do. TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4188	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Django Quik wrote: Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww. Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper? The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do. TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me. This comment summed up: "I need it, trust me". *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 70	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:03:00 - [5] - Quote The scouts have it the worst and no one is going to rep us except us. Oh, the logi's need more bonus?...the scouts need more shields and PG/CPU and armor and slots and stealth and scope zoom for the sniper scouts like me...hell, i would take more stealth than armor, as that is the point of a scout...stealth. seriously, we barely have any bonus' whatsoever..CCP ignores the scouts and praises everything else...except heavies, but even they have it better.. > Master of the Sniper "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 75	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:19:00 - [6] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Oh, the logi's need more bonus? Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 143	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:41:00 - [7] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Oh, the logi's need more bonus? Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line. sometimes buffing isn't always the answer to get players into different roles. unless they make the scouts and heavy better to play then the logi, people will pick logi as that will yield the most benefits of all suits. what makes the logi suit more appealing is how you can fill every role with some ease. in terms of battle tactics, it should be assaults in the front lines, logi behind them providing support fire and equipment support, then the heavy with suppressing fire, then the scouts which flank the distracted enemies. all have a clear role on the field, all using what they are best at. right now, that isn't the case The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1350	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:49:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Django Quik wrote: Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww. Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper? The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do. TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. No, you think it's bs. I am very dedicated to being a medic, all my equipment is for others and I also shield people low on health and while reviving them, I need the high hp and I need that rep bonus, no one ever heals me ever other than if a fellow corp mate is running logi. I do understand the whole assault logi thing is hard to take but gimping it would ruin it for people like me, it would suck big time seriously and dying just got a whole load quicker making being a medic even harder trust me. This comment summed up: "I need it, trust me". Well yeah considering I go the extra mile to be a medic I do need it, I even explained why and in a very reasonable manner. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1350	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:50:00 - [9] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Oh, the logi's need more bonus? Logibros don't need more buffs. What we need is for people to stop crying "nerf!" and start focusing on getting the others roles up to scratch. Scouts do need love, as do Heavies mostly to do with bringing weapons into line. This. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 53	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:51:00 - [10] - Quote Django Quik wrote: TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you.

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1377	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:56:00 - [11] - Quote So should we remove the minnie-s inate rep too What do you think about Logi's using their repper on themselves if it was allowed? I dunno, I never had a problem with Logis having that HP bonus, it was always other factors that bothered me shrugs Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 751	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Keep seeing logis saying this in all the balance logi threads when people say the innate bonus is stupid and it just makes me aww. Yeah, who is going to rep the logi? The logi who can easily carry repping hives perhaps? Or maybe another logi because they tend to run with the pack? Or how about you Just use your many slots and masses of cpu to fit an armor repper? The whole who's going to rep the logi argument is bull. How about you take a second to think about who reps the scout. The scout being the only player whose job is generally to run around alone because other players give away your position. And it's not like we have slots or cpu to spare like you do. TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. Ok fine, I'll put an armor repper on my suit. But think about this If I have to fit a complex armor repper (anything below 5HP/s is useless), then that is less CPU/PG I have. And less CPU/PG means that I can run that good repair tool or have that nice injector that gives you 80% armor back upon revival. And yeah when you use yourself as a human shield to prevent people from dying upon revival, then talk about how Logi's don't need a repair bonus. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1077	Posted - 2013.11.08 19:32:00 - [13] - Quote Two words: Local Reps Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 910	Posted - 2013.11.08 19:49:00 - [14] - Quote Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 158	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi. However, since logis need to be alive to do their job, I see nothing wrong with a built in 1 HP/s armor rep for all logi suits, similar to the Minmatar assault. That would keep them prepped up over time while they do their job in the back row. And if a logi wants to stay alive under fire on the front line, he needs to fit the modules for it like any other suit and slap on an armor repper. That's what the many slots are there for.
Quil'n Khan Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:24:00 - [16] - Quote As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself. Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed.
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 158	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote Quil'n Khan wrote: As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself. Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed. Looks completely OP to me. Every armor tanked assault could rep themselves up within a couple of seconds, armor repair modules would be obsolete except on heavies.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2036	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:48:00 - [18] - Quote I'd like the Gallente logi to have its bonuses switched. The Gallente seems to me to be the closest to the traditional 3 Rs of the logi; Repping Reviving & Resupplying. The CPU/PG bonus on the other hand, is something that suits all logis perfectly, and doesn't give them a combat advantage. No.
Quil'n Khan Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:52:00 - [19] - Quote Eskel Bondfree wrote: Quil'n Khan wrote: As a logi I say get rid of it. I would rather receive self reps from my rep tool. It's stupid I have a tool designed to give you large amounts of health back quickly, but I can't use it on myself. Make it where if I am not using it on someone I am using it on me. Problem fixed. Looks completely OP to me. Every armor tanked assault could rep themselves up within a couple of seconds, armor repair modules would be obsolete except on heavies. Well it makes the argument of this whole thread pointless. One person complaining about me getting a whole whopping 5 hp a second while I am dishing out 175 for teammates. Sounds like I am getting the short end of the stick. So yeah if a assault wants to run a repair tool for self reps instead of ammo...I am fine with that as well.
8213 Grade No.2 576	Posted - 2013.11.08 20:54:00 - [20] - Quote What the heck is this thread even talking about? I thought a Logi was a guy who stacks armor and damage mods and killwhores, while farming even more WP by setting down a hive... what is this repping you speak of?

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1225	Posted - 2013.11.08 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK Logistics ak.0 1 Complex damage mod 2 basic shield extenders GEK-38 Toxin SMG Ishukone nanohive Wiyrkomi nanite injector Core repair tool 3 enhanced plates 1 complex armor repairer Cost: 126,420 ISK That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use. Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run. What is a signature?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4079	Posted - 2013.11.08 21:07:00 - [22] - Quote my opinion on the argument that logi's need the inherent rep bonus (which i admit is kinda nice). Qui sanat sanatore? cur aliud sanatores cursus. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 950	Posted - 2013.11.08 21:14:00 - [23] - Quote Logi's rep themselves with nanohives. /thread We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1458	Posted - 2013.11.08 21:35:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Who's going to rep the scout really? Scouts are lone wolves, staying ahead of the team to relay intel. Fun fact: There are no logis without 4 low slots and above. That's right, they can all fit as much armor **** as a Gallente assault, even the Caldari one, while still having that +5hp/s rep. Let that sink in. Another fun fact, when tanked, every logi has a 100 or more HP gain over the assaults. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1710	Posted - 2013.11.08 22:47:00 - [25] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: Django Quik wrote: TL:DR - the logi bonus is BS and needs changing and anyone defending it is full of crap. I may not know who is going to rep the logi, but I know who's NOT going to rep you. Read the op mate. The reason i mention scouts is because i am one. No one reps me and i don't want anyone repping me because they'll give my position away! I know Im not going to get repped, so you know what i do? I have a repper in one of my 2 low slots! Now you others saying logis need innate reps, that is BS. You want to be able to tank to the max and never worry about repair. You have so many slots that sacrificing one for a repper is really not that big a deal and it's not going to stop you running decent gear. And Im not even getting involved in the whole logi vs assault argument. All Im saying is that if you want to have repair without having to rely on a logi to do it for you, you'll be in the exact same situation that everyone else is. We can't all just assume that there's going to be a repping logi following up around every game, especially in pubs! So we use armor reppers and sacrifice something else that might also have otherwise been very useful. That's the way this game works - you can't have the best of everything. But when i hear logis saying things like some have said in this thread it sounds very much like you think it's perfectly fine that you should be able to do it all. That is BS. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1710	Posted - 2013.11.08 22:55:00 - [26] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just make equipment slot mandatory, if you have at least 1 equipment of the same level of your suit , logi would not be much more better of other suits. Cheapest prototype nanohive: 17,310 ISK Cheapest prototype drop uplink: 6,465 ISK Cheapest prototype repair tool: 13,215 ISK Prototype REs/Proxies: 28,845 ISK Prototype nanite injector: 7,050 ISK Cheapest prototype active scanner: 11,535 ISK Logistics ak.0 1 Complex damage mod 2 basic shield extenders GEK-38 Toxin SMG Ishukone nanohive Wiyrkomi nanite injector Core repair tool 3 enhanced plates 1 complex armor repairer Cost: 126,420 ISK That's with an advanced weapon and not using the best hives/repair tool you could use. Remember logistics is the most expensive class to run. I have proto scout suits that cost more than that with a third the ehp, advanced weapons and standard equipment. The most expensive part of your fit is by far the suit itself. And besides, i don't see what any of this has to do with logis needing that repping bonus, especially since you've got a repper on it anyway. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 283	Posted - 2013.11.08 23:12:00 - [27] - Quote I've been playing a Logi since Open Beta and recently switched over to the Assault. Playing my Logi as an Assault gives me more options but at the advanced level, I feel that the speed, shield recharge and assault bonuses > my Logi in terms of being a slayer. However, my Logi does buff more health when fully tanked but he's absurdly slow and, honestly, why not simply buff assault and even tweak heavies just a bit more? Give the assault suit more base health like the heavies and commandos just had, that way a Logistics can retain the armor rep bonus and remain a viable, adaptable class on the field. The armor bonus does seem rather odd but I suppose I understand the inherent philosophy but they need more of a health/healing/support bonus. Like, 5% to nanohive and nanite injectors efficacy or rep tool efficacy or some sort of Improved Tech. Understanding that enhances all electronic equipment within a 5 meter radius, giving them and their teammates a boost.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 247	Posted - 2013.11.08 23:20:00 - [28] - Quote Eskel Bondfree wrote: The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi. I think this is completely fair if you remove inherent shield regen from the Gal, or at least a much greater reduction. It's only like 110 shields at max anyways. Always did think the Gal bonus should have been the generic logi bonus.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4738	Posted - 2013.11.08 23:22:00 - [29] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Eskel Bondfree wrote: The argument that logis can't rep themselves is a valid one, but still the armor rep bonus for logi suits is wrong. Of all the suits, the Gallente assault should get 5 HP/s free armor repair, but certainly not a shield tanking caldari logi. I think this is completely fair if you remove inherent shield regen from the Gal, or at least a much greater reduction. It's only like 110 shields at max anyways. Always did think the Gal bonus should have been the generic logi bonus. How's that fair? Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 935	Posted - 2013.11.08 23:48:00 - [30] - Quote Meh they can keep it, its not really overpowered, it doesn't help in combat! Bit of armour repping jealously? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both



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