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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2042	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:01:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this
dustwaffle The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 632	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:05:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Making use of the characteristics of a weapon and positioning = crutch What is spamming uplinks a crutch off? Are you sure you know what that word means?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 218	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:09:00 - [3] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots. Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a multi-faceted tactical game.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 115	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:10:00 - [4] - Quote nerf the towers, not the forge gun whose main purpose is anti-material not anti-vehicle. it's a heavy's only effective heavy weapon.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 842	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:12:00 - [5] - Quote they've already given you a way around roof forges.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1766	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:13:00 - [6] - Quote Just as a side note, the reason gun battle were the crucial part of the initial corp battles was because you could only have 8 players. Having 1 fewer players where the main part of the fight was happening could be a significant disadvantage. When its 16v16 having one or two off doing something else isn't such a big deal. Therefore those 'floaters'/'campers' can afford to do what they do because they DO add so much utility there. IOW, tower snipers/equipment spammers are at least a secondary impact of having more people on the battlefield.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2043	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Just as a side note, the reason gun battle were the crucial part of the initial corp battles was because you could only have 8 players. Having 1 fewer players where the main part of the fight was happening could be a significant disadvantage. When its 16v16 having one or two off doing something else isn't such a big deal. Therefore those 'floaters'/'campers' can afford to do what they do because they DO add so much utility there. IOW, tower snipers/equipment spammers are at least a secondary impact of having more people on the battlefield. I'm talking 16v16...not 8v8
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2026	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:15:00 - [8] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2043	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:17:00 - [9] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: nerf the towers, not the forge gun whose main purpose is anti-material not anti-vehicle. it's a heavy's only effective heavy weapon. I'm fine with a tower nerf.....hate cheesy weapons and tactics
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1766	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:18:00 - [10] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Just as a side note, the reason gun battle were the crucial part of the initial corp battles was because you could only have 8 players. Having 1 fewer players where the main part of the fight was happening could be a significant disadvantage. When its 16v16 having one or two off doing something else isn't such a big deal. Therefore those 'floaters'/'campers' can afford to do what they do because they DO add so much utility there. IOW, tower snipers/equipment spammers are at least a secondary impact of having more people on the battlefield. I'm talking 16v16...not 8v8 Now or in your OP? Your OP says ..."in the first corp battles..." I figured that when you said 'corp battles' you were referring to the initial 8v8. If I remember correctly, about the time that it swapped to 16 v 16, mass drivers and the old impact grenades were the FOTM...but I'm probably misremembering.

Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2029	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:19:00 - [11] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kam Elto wrote: nerf the towers, not the forge gun whose main purpose is anti-material not anti-vehicle. it's a heavy's only effective heavy weapon. I'm fine with a tower nerf.....hate cheesy weapons and tactics I dont think they're ever gonna do such high towers ever again This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
Moochie Cricket Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 515	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:20:00 - [12] - Quote Forge gun on roof is OK. Forge gun on roof that can shoot directly into a hack panel is not OK.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2044	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:27:00 - [13] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Forge gun on roof is OK. Forge gun on roof that can shoot directly into a hack panel is not OK. Maybe so....
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2045	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:40:00 - [14] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Making use of the characteristics of a weapon and positioning = crutch What is spamming uplinks a crutch off? Are you sure you know what that word means? a thing used for support or reassurance: Like how a cane is used for those that need help walking? All of these cheesy mechanics used to support bad shooters or bad teams get a win. Instead of teams actually working on teamwork, gun game, squad tactics (walking)...we use forge guns on towers/roofs and 20 links so that you're not pushed out. The link spam is a problem for me because I think it causes framerate drops. Links arent too cheesy a tactic like a forge looking at a panel....but there has to be something done about the spam. Just like there had to be something done about nanohive-grenade spam.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1309	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Holy fk, I have been whining about this and getting told to stfu in various manners since pretty much the start of PC, and people wonder why I rip on it so much, well there you go. PC hasn't even been competitive yet due to this rubbish and lag, my corps going down the toilet because members grinded to get proto to find out the pinnacle of this game is a fking joke, iv had roughly 50 members quit in about two months, they simply think PC is a fking joke and with nothing to apply their proto to they don't even log on. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
General John Ripper Rippers Taco Shack 39736	Posted - 2013.11.07 15:59:00 - [16] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this approved Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1651	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:05:00 - [17] - Quote Considering i attempted to get 2 RND forge gunners off a roof a few days ago for an entire match-- Yes forge gunners on towers need a better counter. I sat in the mountains for 15 minutes trying to snipe these heavies off the tower but you just can't do it. They take too many shots to take down. It's even more impossible when they can just wander to a rep hive after tanking a ton of shots and laugh at you while they forge into 2 objectives without any effective counter. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1310	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:09:00 - [18] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Considering i attempted to get 2 RND forge gunners off a roof a few days ago for an entire match-- Yes forge gunners on towers need a better counter. I sat in the mountains for 15 minutes trying to snipe these heavies off the tower but you just can't do it. They take too many shots to take down. It's even more impossible when they can just wander to a rep hive after tanking a ton of shots and laugh at you while they forge into 2 objectives without any effective counter besides an orbital which won't be coming because you've spent the entire match attempting to get them off the kitten roof. If they have a logi repping them you need two people to take the heavy out, then they respawn there again on an uplink. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1652	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:12:00 - [19] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Considering i attempted to get 2 RND forge gunners off a roof a few days ago for an entire match-- Yes forge gunners on towers need a better counter. I sat in the mountains for 15 minutes trying to snipe these heavies off the tower but you just can't do it. They take too many shots to take down. It's even more impossible when they can just wander to a rep hive after tanking a ton of shots and laugh at you while they forge into 2 objectives without any effective counter besides an orbital which won't be coming because you've spent the entire match attempting to get them off the kitten roof. If they have a logi repping them you need two people to take the heavy out, then they respawn there again on an uplink. By the end of the match there were 3 guys attempting to snipe them off that tower. It's seriously a BS strategy. You shouldn't be able to deny 2 objectives with one forge gun. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1197	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:19:00 - [20] - Quote I hate it too but I don't want to see it removed - that would be punishing good tactical use of the weapons and terrain at hand. I would like to see more ways to counter towertop snipers and more ways to access tower and rooftops. Another good discussion about it here: Combat needs to change by Xerics

ReGnYuM Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1254	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:20:00 - [21] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. No No No I seriously hope that you're not telling CCP that the current FG sniping in PC is not an issue. As for countering FG sniping , it's not as simple you make it seem. Sniping hardly works because guess what they it takes about three shots to kill them and even if you do manage to get them they have many uplinks. Dropships are the most effective, but require way too much time/effort. Furthermore, they're easily shot out of the sky and hardly a hard counter Explain to me how one FG can lock down a whole objective, while in an normally inaccessible location and thats not an issue. I If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR > EVERYTHING
Paran Tadec Ancient Exiles 1605	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:27:00 - [22] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: nerf the towers, not the forge gun whose main purpose is anti-material not anti-vehicle. it's a heavy's only effective heavy weapon. Anti materiel means anti vehicle and anti turret Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1313	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:41:00 - [23] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Considering i attempted to get 2 RND forge gunners off a roof a few days ago for an entire match-- Yes forge gunners on towers need a better counter. I sat in the mountains for 15 minutes trying to snipe these heavies off the tower but you just can't do it. They take too many shots to take down. It's even more impossible when they can just wander to a rep hive after tanking a ton of shots and laugh at you while they forge into 2 objectives without any effective counter besides an orbital which won't be coming because you've spent the entire match attempting to get them off the kitten roof. If they have a logi repping them you need two people to take the heavy out, then they respawn there again on an uplink. By the end of the match there were 3 guys attempting to snipe them off that tower. It's seriously a BS strategy. You shouldn't be able to deny 2 objectives with one forge gun. Holy sht I love your alliance name. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1652	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:44:00 - [24] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Considering i attempted to get 2 RND forge gunners off a roof a few days ago for an entire match-- Yes forge gunners on towers need a better counter. I sat in the mountains for 15 minutes trying to snipe these heavies off the tower but you just can't do it. They take too many shots to take down. It's even more impossible when they can just wander to a rep hive after tanking a ton of shots and laugh at you while they forge into 2 objectives without any effective counter besides an orbital which won't be coming because you've spent the entire match attempting to get them off the kitten roof. If they have a logi repping them you need two people to take the heavy out, then they respawn there again on an uplink. By the end of the match there were 3 guys attempting to snipe them off that tower. It's seriously a BS strategy. You shouldn't be able to deny 2 objectives with one forge gun. Holy sht I love your alliance name. Haha thanks. We're a minmatar faction warfare alliance. Our overlords are Eve guys. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4140	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:52:00 - [25] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. Let's see, sniper tactic: Two logis dropped 4 triage hives, making him invincible to even a Thale's DPS. And if there are more snipers, he just takes cover and blaps those snipers. If he dies, he has 934092302 uplinks there. Dropship tactic: Forge gun Dropship Forge gun Dropship Do I need to elaborate further? *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 10	Posted - 2013.11.07 16:58:00 - [26] - Quote First off, I beleive that a future patch mentioned reducing the splash radius significantly for the FG's to counter a lot of this problem. Second, I have to agree that if players can find an advantage in terrain or otherwise, then it is a valid tactic. That's what your brain is there to be used for, so stop complaining about another's ingenuity and start thinking of either how you can use the same for your advantage or ways to counter it. To counter lots of equipment spamage (ie. drop uplinks) I use flux grenades. They get rid of them fast. Additionaly, if you have EVE support, an EM strike from small projectile guns in EVE has the LARGEST blast radius for an orbital and will also eliminate all uplinks just like a flux grenade does. What's more fun is it won't kill anyone as it only gets rid of shields, so if you are defending an objective you can call this one down on yourself and it eliminates all the enemy's nearby spawn points. As for stuff haning out on top of towers, again use your orbital strikes.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4141	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:32:00 - [27] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: First off, I beleive that a future patch mentioned reducing the splash radius significantly for the FG's to counter a lot of this problem. Second, I have to agree that if players can find an advantage in terrain or otherwise, then it is a valid tactic. That's what your brain is there to be used for, so stop complaining about another's ingenuity and start thinking of either how you can use the same for your advantage or ways to counter it. To counter lots of equipment spamage (ie. drop uplinks) I use flux grenades. They get rid of them fast. Additionaly, if you have EVE support, an EM strike from small projectile guns in EVE has the LARGEST blast radius for an orbital and will also eliminate all uplinks just like a flux grenade does. What's more fun is it won't kill anyone as it only gets rid of shields, so if you are defending an objective you can call this one down on yourself and it eliminates all the enemy's nearby spawn points. As for stuff hanging out on top of towers, again use your orbital strikes. A single player locking down an entire point and the surrounding area with the only way to take him down is using excessive force like orbitals = valid tactic? Excuse me but what ISN'T a valid tactic? *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Sleepy Zan Xer Cloud Consortium 2731	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust A good sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a good sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1056	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:38:00 - [29] - Quote Drop Uplink spam and Forge Gun sniping are both smaller problems than the Automstic Sniper Rifle coughARcough and grenade spam right now. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4689	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:39:00 - [30] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots. Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a multi-faceted tactical game. Snipers are an underwhelming counter given the sheer EHP of heavy suits, which can be augmented with triage hives. By logis, I assume you mean spam uplinks back? Logis can't counter these things directly, only do it themselves. Something that can only be countered by another version of it is poor balance. And dropship pilots... Are you seriously suggesting flying a dropship directly at a forge gunner? Have you ever tried to go after a forge gunner with a dropship? Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution

DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2668	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:48:00 - [31] - Quote I GOT IT!!!!! Destructible terrain. Forge guns on the roof? Blow the roof down!!!! Oh wait... This game is like 10 years away from doing that.... Damn... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4143	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:49:00 - [32] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Sleepy Zan Xer Cloud Consortium 2732	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:50:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos A real sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a real sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4143	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:53:00 - [34] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos Excuse me for being tired as ** from a long day :P Besides, it was only one mistake lol Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant Beta Vet Level 4 Forum Warrior**
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1314	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:56:00 - [35] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Holy sht I love your alliance name. Haha thanks. We're a minmatar faction warfare alliance. Our overlords are Eve guys. Pretty much samer here mate Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 799	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:56:00 - [36] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. The problem with the Forge is that there really ISN'T a good counter. Any good forger will demolish a DS before it can come close. Any good forger will be sitting on a rep hive or two, so sniping them would require MULTIPLE snipers all getting headshots. So what is the counter? Getting there first. That is why people in PC hate it. It has become a requirement to PC strategy, taking the highground so that you don't have to worry about the OTHER guy who would be on the highround. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1314	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:57:00 - [37] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots. Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a multi-faceted tactical game. Snipers are an underwhelming counter given the sheer EHP of heavy suits, which can be augmented with triage hives. By logis, I assume you mean spam uplinks back? Logis can't counter these things directly, only do it themselves. Something that can only be countered by another version of it is poor balance. And dropship pilots... Are you seriously suggesting flying a dropship directly at a forge gunner? Have you ever tried to go after a forge gunner with a dropship? 3 times in a row once, never again lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2055	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:38:00 - [38] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos Such an irrelevant post ... You realize that english is a second language to many of these gamers, right? Kudos to them for being able to learn a second language.
General John Ripper Rippers Taco Shack 39748	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:45:00 - [39] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: First off, I beleive that a future patch mentioned reducing the splash radius significantly for the FG's to counter a lot of this problem. Second, I have to agree that if players can find an advantage in terrain or otherwise, then it is a valid tactic. That's what your brain is there to be used for, so stop complaining about another's ingenuity and start thinking of either how you can use the same for your advantage or ways to counter it. To counter lots of equipment spamage (ie. drop uplinks) I use flux grenades. They get rid of them fast. Additionaly, if you have EVE support, an EM strike from small projectile guns in EVE has the LARGEST blast radius for an orbital and will also eliminate all uplinks just like a flux grenade does. What's more fun is it won't kill anyone as it only gets rid of shields, so if you are defending an objective you can call this one down on yourself and it eliminates all the enemy's nearby spawn points. As for stuff hanging out on top of towers, again use your orbital strikes. A single player locking down an entire point and the surrounding area with the only way to take him down is using excessive force like orbitals = valid tactic? Excuse me but what ISN'T a valid tactic? afking in a pc match is something most people seem to frown upon. But then again it can hardly be called a tactic.... My last fight with PRO in their pfc district... they did that lol. Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2055	Posted - 2013.11.07 19:47:00 - [40] - Quote It Jadd Hatchen wrote: First off, I beleive that a future patch mentioned reducing the splash radius significantly for the FG's to counter a lot of this problem. Second, I have to agree that if players can find an advantage in terrain or otherwise, then it is a valid tactic. That's what your brain is there to be used for, so stop complaining about another's ingenuity and start thinking of either how you can use the same for your advantage or ways to counter it. To counter lots of equipment spamage (ie. drop uplinks) I use flux grenades. They get rid of them fast. Additionaly, if you have EVE support, an EM strike from small projectile guns in EVE has the LARGEST blast radius for an orbital and will also eliminate all uplinks just like a flux grenade does. What's more fun is it won't kill anyone as it only gets rid of shields, so if you are defending an objective you can call this one down on yourself and it eliminates all the enemy's nearby spawn points. As for stuff hanging out on top of towers, again use your orbital strikes. An orbital to counter forge guns..is your best response as a counter? Do they sell them in the marketplace so I can call them like vehicles? Listen, it is a cheesy way to play a shooter.....it takes the skill out of the game. Out of all the clan battles, across different fps', that I've played in.....dust required the most strategy. There are many ways for teams to pull off wins than to have cheesy "tacts" like this. I'd like it to see more skill + strategy + teamwork.....than to win matches from cheesy exploits. Everytime there's a cheesy exploit, it pushes people away from dust.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4154	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:26:00 - [41] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos Such an irrelevant post ... You realize that english is a second language to many of these gamers, right? Kudos to them for being able to learn a second language. Fun fact: I am self taught, I didn't have a teacher until 7th grade and by that time I didn't even need one. Whatever mistakes I make comes from me either rushing the post, or being tired. (Which I currently am, and I won't be surprised if I will have mistakes here) *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 437	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:28:00 - [42] - Quote **** all of you AR for the win Didnt read thread
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2679	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 - [43] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos Such an irrelevant post ... You realize that english is a second language to many of these gamers, right? Kudos to them for being able to learn a second language. Fun fact: I am self taught, I didn't have a teacher until 7th grade and by that time I didn't even need one. Whatever mistakes I make comes from me either rushing the post, or being tired. (Which I currently am, and I won't be surprised if I will have mistakes here) This is true. Cats are very smart. Too smart GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 321	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 - [44] - Quote Someone from Ahrendee whining about cheap tactics lol priceless.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 11	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: A single player locking down an entire point and the surrounding area with the only way to take him down is using excessive force like orbitals = valid tactic? Excuse me but what ISN'T a valid tactic? If it's able to be done (and not specifically called out in the EULA) then it is a viable tactic in this game. Look to EVE Online for what I'm talking about. Meta is a valid part of this game. Using intel gained on your opponents at the local coffee shop is a valid tactic. Reading your enemies whine about stupid stuff in this forum and then doing even more of it to them to break down their souls and wring out their tears is a valid tactic. You need to open yourself up to the almost infinite possibilities for what can be done with this "environment" that CCP has given to us to mold, shape, and use to our own ends. In short, take ownership of it, or it will own you.
Carolyn Sicling Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 11	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 - [46] - Quote For me, the problem with Dust is that it doesn't encourage diversity. I imagine that this at the very least will get a strong rebuttal by other Ahrendee member. So a forge gunner with logi support gets onto a high point and shoots down. I'm primarily a Sniper and secondarily a mass driver logi support. As a Sniper I've killed lots of such players. The difference is I can shoot the forge gunner and others while he has to hide and rep up or respawn, costing them a clone. If the gunner has logi support then I'm occupying two players of the opposition team. But the preference is for front line troops with arwin, not diversity. Historically whoever has high ground has an advantage, not the advantage. Have you seen Braveheart... years of standard military practice overcome because somebody thought differently. CCP should be having to rebalance and add and nerf as we evolve new strategies, but my preference is to not nerf too much. So an EMP orbital is a massive use of force to counter these crutches? No. It's somebody thinking of something different, congratulations for thinking of it. Eve wouldn't be the game it is (with its many faults!) If the players didn't keep evolving tactic. Just look up a Rooks and Kings video on YouTube to see them using innovative tactics, or read about Pandemic Legion creatingthe new fleet doctrines that the rest of Eve follow. That's where CCP are coming from, not Quake Live. Yes fix arwin. Yes reduce damage in some places to increase survivability. Yes add a scramble up slight incline button (that one is a random personal gripe). Yes look at drop uplink spam (hint - max of 1 module per suit, max concurrently active based on one fitted to current suit). Yes rely on more than just front line troops in battles. No - don't stop people using any weapon anywhere on the map they can walk, run, climb, drive or fly to. It's not a crutch or an exploit (unless it really is an exploit like terrain glitching) If somebody thought differently and came up with a good innovative tactic. Dust won't grow if it goes head to head with other FPS, but it could if it was known for being different.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2057	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:00:00 - [47] - Quote Carolyn Sicling wrote: For me, the problem with Dust is that it doesn't encourage diversity. I imagine that this at the very least will get a strong rebuttal by other Ahrendee member. So a forge gunner with logi support gets onto a high point and shoots down. I'm primarily a Sniper and secondarily a mass driver logi support. As a Sniper I've killed lots of such players. The difference is I can shoot the forge gunner and others while he has to hide and rep up or respawn, costing them a clone. If the gunner has logi support then I'm occupying two players of the opposition team. But the preference is for front line troops with arwin, not diversity. Historically whoever has high ground has an advantage, not the advantage. Have you seen Braveheart... years of standard military practice overcome because somebody thought differently. CCP should be having to rebalance and add and nerf as we evolve new strategies, but my preference is to not nerf too much. So an EMP orbital is a massive use of force to counter these crutches? No. It's somebody thinking of something different, congratulations for thinking of it. Eve wouldn't be the game it is (with its many faults!) If the players didn't keep evolving tactic. Just look up a Rooks and Kings video on YouTube to see them using innovative tactics, or read about Pandemic Legion creatingthe new fleet doctrines that the rest of Eve follow. That's where CCP are coming from, not Quake Live. Yes fix arwin. Yes reduce damage in some places to increase survivability. Yes add a scramble up slight incline button (that one is a random personal gripe). Yes look at drop uplink spam (hint - max of 1 module per suit, max concurrently active based on one fitted to current suit). Yes rely on more than just front line troops in battles. No - don't stop people using any weapon anywhere on the map they can walk, run, climb, drive or fly to. It's not a crutch or an exploit (unless it really is an exploit like terrain glitching) If somebody thought differently and came up with a good innovative tactic. Dust won't grow if it goes head to head with other FPS, but it could if it was known for being different. Using cheap tactics isn't going to set Dust aside from all other games. Cheap tactics are cheap tactics...and can be found in many games. The difference here is that Dust creates the opportunity for plenty of them. CCP had to remove the ridiculous mountains on Manus Peak because people exploited their existence. There's a reason why grenades eat up your nanohive now, etc. Forging control panels on top of a tower is cheap and removes skill from the game.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1451	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:12:00 - [48] - Quote I must be the only person who hasn't seen a tower FGer since late 1.4? Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Sleepy Zan Xer Cloud Consortium 2733	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:18:00 - [49] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: If you can't beat it with an AR you beat it with the forums -Art of Dust If your crutch is needs a nerf, blame AR users. -Art of Dust 2.0 I don't read 2.0, too many typos Such an irrelevant post ... You realize that english is a second language to many of these gamers, right? Kudos to them for being able to learn a second language. I'm far too ignorant to read what you just said. A real sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a real sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9983	Posted - 2013.11.08 05:47:00 - [50] - Quote Guy on roof? Drop an orbital spawn beacon underneath it next guy that spawns can then try to land the pod on the forge gunner. Problem solved. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Plasma Rifle =// Unlocked

Aqua-Regia 542	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:35:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Guy on roof? Drop an orbital spawn beacon underneath it next guy that spawns can then try to land the pod on the forge gunner. Problem solved. It great that most of the playerbase agreed on the removing the 10% damage buff and even charity for needed, not so much on the other problem in this game as the player base and CCP can give a ** if no one jump the bandwagon. After reading this I came to the same concluding like two months ago. Scrub don't know what good for them, only like game breaking mechanic and justifying it by calling it "tactics". Given feedback on this cesspool of a forum mean nothing when most of the player base has it head so far up it arse. If this make me sound like a self righteous ass hole, you are no better than me so get bent. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 289	Posted - 2013.11.08 06:53:00 - [52] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kam Elto wrote: nerf the towers, not the forge gun whose main purpose is anti-material not anti-vehicle. it's a heavy's only effective heavy weapon. I'm fine with a tower nerf.....hate cheesy weapons and tactics I dont think they're ever gonna do such high towers ever again We need all places accessible... or "Counter-able" Like true DUST style was intended.. There need's to be ladders or elevator's making every high point accessible.. Any rooftop or structure top that is restricted to dropship's creates the forge gun positional superiority and almost un -counterable.. Even with the best snipers and dropship pilot's in the game.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2116	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:05:00 - [53] - Quote uplinks, nades, forge guns, and AR's make this whole game a joke. pile waste of code till that's cleared up, if ever.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 214	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:07:00 - [54] - Quote Best way to stop FGing... give us more than one weapon that works Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 78	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:11:00 - [55] - Quote if passengers could shoot from dropships, the problem might lessen. its far easier to kill a heavy with grenades and AR's than with a sniper rifle.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 214	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:15:00 - [56] - Quote Vesago Ghostcore wrote: if passengers could shoot from dropships, the problem might lessen. its far easier to kill a heavy with grenades and AR's than with a sniper rifle. I wouldn't mind FGing from a dropship Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2067	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:40:00 - [57] - Quote This is what good clan battling is.....all skill....all fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBAuiCT-9-U
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 104	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:42:00 - [58] - Quote A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity.
Void Echo 2123	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:47:00 - [59] - Quote Vesago Ghostcore wrote: if passengers could shoot from dropships, the problem might lessen. its far easier to kill a heavy with grenades and AR's than with a sniper rifle. AV is why we aren't able to shoot from passenger seats in dropships, vehicles are 99% dead, that alone would cause us to die out completely. Closed Beta Vet My Youtube Channel Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 216	Posted - 2013.11.08 07:49:00 - [60] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics Dedicated fattie in need of new heavy content.

Rusty Shallows 474	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:07:00 - [61] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Forge gun on roof is OK. Forge gun on roof that can shoot directly into a hack panel is not OK. Or at the very least a vertical surface that the splash can reach into what seems like a safe Hack-Point. Some map spots are getting notorious. Similar results can be pulled off with massdrivers depending how good one is at zeroing in the trajectory. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 108	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:22:00 - [62] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 929	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:27:00 - [63] - Quote Roofs being made uncampable! Uplinks would serve better as jump-links! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 929	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:31:00 - [64] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Railguns don't need much power! You can use a single charge acfoss sll coils in the barrel, with minimal resistance! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 595	Posted - 2013.11.08 08:37:00 - [65] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. There is no hard counter to forge snipers, last PC I was in there was a logi/heavy up on the tower, triage hives, reptool and two secs of ammo hives for that heavy. Good luck getting a dropship up there when you cant get within 400 meters without being shot down. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2072	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:27:00 - [66] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 929	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:37:00 - [67] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent. Alllow me to give a Physics theory counter! When you charge the forge gun, you see a little slider move towards you down the barrel! This is the difference between the forge gun and a rail turret! Both run of coils, the rail turret uses statically charged coils, they all start positive and change to negative as the slug passes through! The forge gun uses a slider to powder each coil as needed! This is why a rail turret can fire faster with trigger held down, while the forge must charge again! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.11.08 14:49:00 - [68] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: A single player locking down an entire point and the surrounding area with the only way to take him down is using excessive force like orbitals = valid tactic? Excuse me but what ISN'T a valid tactic? If it's able to be done (and not specifically called out in the EULA) then it is a viable tactic in this game. Look to EVE Online for what I'm talking about. Meta is a valid part of this game. Using intel gained on your opponents at the local coffee shop is a valid tactic. Reading your enemies whine about stupid stuff in this forum and then doing even more of it to them to break down their souls and wring out their tears is a valid tactic. You need to open yourself up to the almost infinite possibilities for what can be done with this "environment" that CCP has given to us to mold, shape, and use to our own ends. In short, take ownership of it, or it will own you. This is very true. Thinking about EVE, towertop FGs only fall midway along a scale that ends with smartbombing motherships or PL hotdrops. What focuses the issue in DUST, however, is that the lobby shooter structure is the only channel by which to gain control of or defend PC assets. Leave the Towertop Forge gunners alone. The primary thing we need to make this right is other means by which to access towertops. I'd like to see turbolifts in those towers where occupants disembark into a tactically neutral space. I'd also like to see a 'levitation pad' or a 'jump pad' module that was just capable of lifting a scout to towertops, meduims and heavies to lesser heights.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2397	Posted - 2013.11.08 15:06:00 - [69] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I GOT IT!!!!! Destructible terrain. Forge guns on the roof? Blow the roof down!!!! Oh wait... This game is like 10 years away from doing that.... Damn... Then Destructible terrain becomes the new crotch. Everyone specs into what are the more destructive techniques. When all is reduced to rubble, we'll just have to throw rock and mud at each other! (ooh, sounds like the forums! :D) Level 2 Forum Warrior Hate Lord
Vex Grimetreads Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.11.08 15:14:00 - [70] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots. Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a *multi-faceted tactical game. Don't give us a plate of dog sht and tell us it's pudding.

Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1093	Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 - [71] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Making use of the characteristics of a weapon and positioning = crutch What is spamming uplinks a crutch off? Are you sure you know what that word means? Im embarrassed we share the same corp, do you even play? i've never seen you in game.
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 109	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 - [72] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent. A rail gun fires by pulling the projectile out of the gun, there should be NO recoil on it at all. There are no opposing forces pushing the projectile so there's no backwards force on the gun to cause it to recoil.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 323	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:59:00 - [73] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. There is no hard counter to forge snipers, last PC I was in there was a logi/heavy up on the tower, triage hives, reptool and two secs of ammo hives for that heavy. Good luck getting a dropship up there when you cant get within 400 meters without being shot down. How bout using two dropships? Get creative.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 17	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:26:00 - [74] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: [quote=Ydubbs81 RND]A rail gun fires by pulling the projectile out of the gun, there should be NO recoil on it at all. There are no opposing forces pushing the projectile so there's no backwards force on the gun to cause it to recoil. Ouch! Your misunderstanding of how physics works is hurting my brain. But in the end it's just a game. Gameworld physics != real world physics.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:46:00 - [75] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent. Alllow me to give a Physics theory counter! When you charge the forge gun, you see a little slider move towards you down the barrel! This is the difference between the forge gun and a rail turret! Both run of coils, the rail turret uses statically charged coils, they all start positive and change to negative as the slug passes through! The forge gun uses a slider to powder each coil as needed! This is why a rail turret can fire faster with trigger held down, while the forge must charge again! How is faster fire rate a counter to equal and opposite force argument?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:57:00 - [76] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt. Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship. Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity. So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent. A rail gun fires by pulling the projectile out of the gun, there should be NO recoil on it at all. There are no opposing forces pushing the projectile so there's no backwards force on the gun to cause it to recoil. First of all, a railgun can not pull an object outside of itself....it would have to be an external force of some sort to pull the projectile out. Secondly, (my physics may be a bit rusty ) an object is moved by some sort of force. W = FxD. And there is always an equal an opposite force. The reason why a tank isnt catapulted backwards because of its mass F=MxA. So, how could an infantry heavy suit with significantly less mass than a tank withstand the same opposite force? Point is....this is a game so let's leave the real world **** out and just remove the splash damage altogether.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:00:00 - [77] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position) Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this. There is no hard counter to forge snipers, last PC I was in there was a logi/heavy up on the tower, triage hives, reptool and two secs of ammo hives for that heavy. Good luck getting a dropship up there when you cant get within 400 meters without being shot down. How bout using two dropships? Get creative. Cause teams spam forge gunners. They would place two forges up there. Imagine that one forge can hold an obj by himself. Having two up there is just ********.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 228	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:45:00 - [78] - Quote Vex Grimetreads wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers. Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary. Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7. This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots. Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a *multi-faceted tactical game. Don't give us a plate of dog sht and tell us it's pudding. Not quite sure what you are getting at with that comment in regards to my post. My point is that whether you like the mechanics, choices, colors, shapes or whatever there are in fact numerous counters for just about everything tactic or weapon option out there. Concerned with roof forgers...ok, deal with them like you deal with any tactical problem encounter in a match. Reposition snipers, suppress from a dropship, drop assaulters on him, orbital strike, ect. As rough as some balance issues are I haven't found many (really any) tactics or weapons that you can't counter.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:36:00 - [79] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Not quite sure what you are getting at with that comment in regards to my post. My point is that whether you like the mechanics, choices, colors, shapes or whatever there are in fact numerous counters for just about everything tactic or weapon option out there. Concerned with roof forgers...ok, deal with them like you deal with any tactical problem encounter in a match. Reposition snipers, suppress from a dropship, drop assaulters on him, orbital strike, ect. As rough as some balance issues are I haven't found many (really any) tactics or weapons that you can't counter. A lot of these things sounds good on paper/theory but in practice, it doesn't pan out. Not saying that you can not counter a forge gunner on top of a roof but to allow one person to hold an objective OHKing everyone..like what goes on in pc is too much. The only way to counter it is to take boots off the ground and hope that you can get a dropship up there and retake the tower. But when they put two forge guns up there, scanners, 10 drop uplinks and nanos, it is really difficult. The match usually comes down to who has the forge gun on high ground. It is just a cheesy exploit of the map design. Not much skill in forge gunning from a roof and pc matches (fps gameplay, in general for that matter) should be about skill and not having to use cheesy exploits. It's just like the core flaylock pistol before it got nerfed. Watch some of the battles from Rust 415 alliance and see how ridiculously cheesy the flaylock was. People would argue "counter, counter" but the only way to counter this cheesy mess is to do it yourself.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 942	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:50:00 - [80] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kharga Lum wrote: If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it. 80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon DMG 1798 Splash 292.5 Radius 2.5m Ishukone Assault FG DMG 1663.2 Splash 277.2 Radius 2.1m Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice. I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent. Alllow me to give a Physics theory counter! When you charge the forge gun, you see a little slider move towards you down the barrel! This is the difference between the forge gun and a rail turret! Both run of coils, the rail turret uses statically charged coils, they all start positive and change to negative as the slug passes through! The forge gun uses a slider to powder each coil as needed! This is why a rail turret can fire faster with trigger held down, while the forge must charge again! How is faster fire rate a counter to equal and opposite force argument? Sorry that was a counter as to why the two had similar stats, the turret has more advanced gubins in it, while the forge gun is a little bit more conservative in design. As for the equal and opposite argument, well first of all it doesn't matter wether the gun is dragging or pushing the slug, there will be resistance! Now assuming the barrel is only pulling each coil would exact a force throwing the barrel upwards due to torque, the same as the normal! You have to imagine if the slug is being pulled towards the coil, the coil by the same force will be pulled towards the slug! Since the forge gun has no floating barrel, like the turret you get recoil. But you get 4x the recoil because railguns both pull and push the slug, which creates a resonant force, similar to firing multiple bullets, except the recoil from each is stacked. Must point out, im not fighting either way, im just making sure everyone is informed! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both

Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 783	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:28:00 - [81] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Dust also shouldn't only be about gunning. It should be about strategy and tactics. Even if you nerf the forge gun, Skirm 2.0 still doesn't have any tactical depth of which to speak. When KEQ discovered the FG thing we never really imagined that it would get anything like this bad. >~> PC Coordinator for RISE of LEGION Have a pony
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2129	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:47:00 - [82] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed :-)
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:50:00 - [83] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Dust also shouldn't only be about gunning. It should be about strategy and tactics. Even if you nerf the forge gun, Skirm 2.0 still doesn't have any tactical depth of which to speak. When KEQ discovered the FG thing we never really imagined that it would get anything like this bad. >~> Dust should be about gunning...cause after all, this is a first-person "shooter". Tactics and strategy are to be implemented by the players and teams that are playing. And when the game allows for cheap and cheesy tactics that reduces the skill required to compete, then there is a problem.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:57:00 - [84] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 945	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:15:00 - [85] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche. Put this way, 100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment, 85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment, 50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment, 1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god) 0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment, That just does not happen at the moment! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:50:00 - [86] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche. Put this way, 100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment, 85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment, 50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment, 1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god) 0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment, That just does not happen at the moment! I am not being rude when I ask you to think about what you're about to post. You're saying that an HMG or an MD is a counter to the shotgun, right? Well, what about the lot of us who have not specced into HMGs and MDs? What are we supposed to do then? Throw a grenade, you say? Good luck with using a grenade as a primary weapon against a shotty that has just flanked you. I can complain that a shotty shouldnt one-hit or two-hit kill me but then I'd be asking to redefine a shotgun just like how you guys are trying to redefine an assault rifle.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 947	Posted - 2013.11.10 00:58:00 - [87] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche. Put this way, 100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment, 85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment, 50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment, 1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god) 0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment, That just does not happen at the moment! I am not being rude when I ask you to think about what you're about to post. You're saying that an HMG or an MD is a counter to the shotgun, right? Well, what about the lot of us who have not specced into HMGs and MDs? What are we supposed to do then? Throw a grenade, you say? Good luck with using a grenade as a primary weapon against a shotty that has just flanked you. I can complain that a shotty shouldnt one-hit or two-hit kill me but then I'd be asking to redefine a shotgun just like how you guys are trying to redefine an assault rifle. Aah you see you are missing the point, that's why we have hard counters, if you don't skill into it, you bring someone who does, you build diverse squads who can deal with multiple situations! As for grenades dead easy. Back peddle, cook, throw! If a guy with a shotty has flanked you in a short range environment, unless you have a hard counter with you or your team you should find it an upwards struggle. He has engaged you on his terms in his preffered environment. Thats the point of niche weapon it bloody damn good its niche! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 296	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:04:00 - [88] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche. Put this way, 100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment, 85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment, 50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment, 1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god) 0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment, That just does not happen at the moment! AR with a computer generated aim assist is broken and OP as sh.it. AR with people having to aim and track target's themself's is fine. No one would be arguing the legitimacy of a weapon if it was the actual players skill behind it's performance...
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 947	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:09:00 - [89] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche. Put this way, 100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment, 85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment, 50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment, 1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god) 0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment, That just does not happen at the moment! AR with a computer generated aim assist is broken and OP as sh.it. AR with people having to aim and track target's themself's is fine. No one would be arguing the legitimacy of a weapon if it was the actual players skill behind it's performance... Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:28:00 - [90] - Quote Your HMG squad member can't always be there to save you in all of your cqc situations. And if I'm flanked by a shotty who got that first shot off, I won't even have time to cook a grenade (which, by the way, in dust is the only game that I've seen where players start off a 1v1 cqc situation with grenades)

Bethhy Ancient Exiles 296	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:32:00 - [91] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums...
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:36:00 - [92] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums... Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is ********. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1788	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:41:00 - [93] - Quote They really need to create some uplink radius that prevents other uplinks from being so close to them. It's not only hampering the UI and the game performance, its also stupid as hell.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 296	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:42:00 - [94] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums... Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is ********. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that. They put in AA in battlefield to fix latency issues with hit detection they actively tried to fix for almost a year. The aim assist has nothing to do with the need for a computer to help players aim... it had to do with fundamental game problems that couldnt be fixed otherwise. AA will track moving targets with very minimal input.. that's a massive problem in a game like DUST... where sustained fire on the target is what gets you your results... MAG never needed any AA....
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:47:00 - [95] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums... Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is ********. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that. They put in AA in battlefield to fix latency issues with hit detection they actively tried to fix for almost a year. The aim assist has nothing to do with the need for a computer to help players aim... it had to do with fundamental game problems that couldnt be fixed otherwise. AA will track moving targets with very minimal input.. that's a massive problem in a game like DUST... where sustained fire on the target is what gets you your results... MAG never needed any AA.... It doesn't matter to me what the reason is for why the AA on BF is ridiculous...just saying that it is insane. And you are exaggerating about the aim assist in dust. I think it got ninja nerfed but even when they first implemented it, you still had to aim. If dust did the aim for you then anyone would be able to kill anyone in dust. In Battlefield, you don't really have to be a good shooter (as far as aim is concerned) because it does it for you. All you do is press L1 and fire. In dust, noobs can not consistently kill a good shooter even if they have the same fit.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:48:00 - [96] - Quote Bethhy wrote: MAG never needed any AA.... I don't see much of a difference in the shooting mechanics between MAG and Dust at this moment.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 296	Posted - 2013.11.10 01:56:00 - [97] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums... Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is ********. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that. They put in AA in battlefield to fix latency issues with hit detection they actively tried to fix for almost a year. The aim assist has nothing to do with the need for a computer to help players aim... it had to do with fundamental game problems that couldnt be fixed otherwise. AA will track moving targets with very minimal input.. that's a massive problem in a game like DUST... where sustained fire on the target is what gets you your results... MAG never needed any AA.... It doesn't matter to me what the reason is for why the AA on BF is ridiculous...just saying that it is insane. And you are exaggerating about the aim assist in dust. I think it got ninja nerfed but even when they first implemented it, you still had to aim. If dust did the aim for you then anyone would be able to kill anyone in dust. In Battlefield, you don't really have to be a good shooter (as far as aim is concerned) because it does it for you. All you do is press L1 and fire. In dust, noobs can not consistently kill a good shooter even if they have the same fit. I don't give a crap about noobs using it... Am fine with that... wish there was actually a game mode that encouraged limited module use and had full strength AA... My problem is more the FPS veteran's using it as a toggled auto locking system which it does work like.. It was never a tool to favor new players... The AA may have got a ninja nerf... but seeing how we have a couple statement's otherwise... i would probably lean more to the fact people have become more reliant on it. No one pay's for their losses in bubblegum shooters... its just a mark on their "epeen" In dust each loss effect's your asset's and even possibly aurum you invested... Having anything but the players input dictating that loss is insulting...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 296	Posted - 2013.11.10 02:03:00 - [98] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: MAG never needed any AA.... I don't see much of a difference in the shooting mechanics between MAG and Dust at this moment. well the TTK is not much different now for sure.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odG7QVYwc2U But simply having to aim for yourself is what made the TTk in Mag.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 948	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:45:00 - [99] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry! The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun! Lol... its bad. Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums... Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is *******. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that. They put in AA in battlefield to fix latency issues with hit detection they actively tried to fix for almost a year. The aim assist has nothing to do with the need for a computer to help players aim... it had to do with fundamental game problems that couldnt be fixed otherwise. AA will track moving targets with very minimal input.. that's a massive problem in a game like DUST... where sustained fire on the target is what gets you your results... MAG never needed any AA.... It doesn't matter to me what the reason is for why the AA on BF is ridiculous...just saying that it is insane. And you are exaggerating about the aim assist in dust. I think it got ninja nerfed but even when they first implemented it, you still had to aim. If dust did the aim for you then anyone would be able to kill anyone in dust. In Battlefield, you don't really have to be a good shooter (as far as aim is concerned) because it does it for you. All you do is press L1 and fire. In dust, noobs can not consistently kill a good shooter even if they have the same fit. Actually CCP confirmed they made no changes to aim assist, which proves my point earlier. Bethy, If you are allowing AA to track for you, your actual aim will get worse, turn it back off for a few days and you'll hardly be able to hit a thing! You become dependent on it, when 1.4 dropped everyone was used to standard aiming, so it made everyone better not so now! Thats why people thought it git toned down, thats why 2-3 weeks after 1.4 dropped everyone stopped arguing about it, thats why its the AR that is overpowered and not an aim assisg. The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 948	Posted - 2013.11.10 11:52:00 - [100] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bethhy wrote: MAG never needed any AA.... I don't see much of a difference in the shooting mechanics between MAG and Dust at this moment. well the TTK is not much different now for sure.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odG7QVYwc2U But simply having to aim for yourself is what made the TTk in Mag. I would hardly call that aiming, looked like a large quantity of spraying and hell of a lot more praying! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both

Omareth Nasadra QcGOLD 155	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:24:00 - [101] - Quote too much AR crutches yeah Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:28:00 - [102] - Quote Omareth Nasadra wrote: too much AR crutches yeah What is your primary weapon, kind sir?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1771	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:30:00 - [103] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: I dont think they're ever gonna do such high towers ever again Howabout stairs.. or an elevator... the game is really going to suck if we keep removing tactics instead of adding counters.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2075	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:50:00 - [104] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: I dont think they're ever gonna do such high towers ever again Howabout stairs.. or an elevator... the game is really going to suck if we keep removing tactics instead of adding counters. The game already sucks with these cheesy tactics and weapons. Dust really doesn't suck but allowing for these cheap tactics and such makes it seem so.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2138	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:00:00 - [105] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) 1) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. 2) Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. 3) As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. 1) I'm not seeking AR nerf because its used by the majority of players. I'm seeking AR nerf because it has and continues to rival niche weapons while within the strict bounds of their specialty. Yes, as an oft-robbed shotgunner, this fact absolutely peeves and motivates on a personal level, but AR imbalance also detracts from Dust's big-picture. Since Uprising, Dust has migrated from favoring squad diversity and tactics to favoring homogeneity ... namely, the more AR/ScR Medium Frames, the better the squad. My hopes are high, but I'm not sure if CCP is willing or able to correct the trend toward less diversity. I'm not alone in my criticism; see any recent commentary by CEOPyrex. 2) A fight that begins with a well-placed SG blast to the back should favor the shotgunner the vast majority of the time...this is not the case. A fight that begins with a SG blasting you head-on at 5 meters should favor the shotgunner (unless you're an HMG heavy)...this also is not the case. If your beef is with crutches and cheap tactics, let's talk about the backpedal. 3) Folks seem to forget that Jane and Annie ditched the Scout suit mid-Chromosome in favor of Biotic Assault suits. The Twins then switched to Slayer Logi in Uprising. "If they got close enough, you were sure as dead" ... this actually sounds like an appropriate description of a Shotgun. There's nothing EZ about getting into optimal range with a Shotgun. When successful, a medium-range fighter should have very low odds of survival. At present, that medium-range fighter has quite decent odds. He needs only sufficient HP to withstand the first blast and enough sense to backpedal and hip-fire his AR or ScR. Flank attack prevented. No gungame, skill, situational awareness or squad required.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1354	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:09:00 - [106] - Quote Omareth Nasadra wrote: too much AR crutches yeah ^This. I'm an AR user myself, but run a Scrambler Rifle on my Proto suit :D Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2079	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:40:00 - [107] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread. Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-) 1) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played. 2) Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle. 3) As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead. With all due respect, sir: 1) I'm not seeking AR nerf because its used by the majority of players. I'm seeking AR nerf because it has and continues to rival niche weapons while within the strict bounds of their specialty. Yes, as an oft-robbed shotgunner, this fact absolutely peeves and motivates on a personal level, but CQC imbalance also detracts from Dust's big-picture. Since Uprising, Dust has migrated from favoring squad diversity and tactics to favoring homogeneity ... namely, the more AR/ScR Medium Frames, the better the squad. My hopes are high, but I'm not sure if CCP is willing or able to correct the trend toward less diversity. I'm not alone in my criticism; see any recent commentary by CEOPyrex. 2) A fight that begins with a well-placed SG blast to the back should favor the shotgunner the vast majority of the time...this is not the case. A fight that begins with a SG blasting you head-on at 5 meters should favor the shotgunner (unless you're an HMG heavy)...this also is not the case. If your beef is with cheap tactics, then let's talk about backpedal, bunny hop, and KB/M strafe as "legitimate" shotgun counters. If your beef is with crutches, then we should discuss recoil, dispersion, hip-fire spread, instantaneous ADS and aim-assist. 3) Folks seem to forget that Jane and Annie ditched the Scout suit mid-Chromosome in favor of Biotic Assault suits. The Twins then switched to Slayer Logi in Uprising. "If they got close enough, you were sure as dead" ... this actually sounds like an appropriate description of a Shotgun. There's nothing EZ about getting into optimal range with a Shotgun. When successful, a medium-range fighter should have very low odds of survival. At present, that medium-range fighter has quite decent odds. He needs only sufficient HP to withstand the first blast and enough sense to backpedal and hip-fire his AR or ScR. Flank attack prevented. No gungame, skill, situational awareness or squad required. TL/DR - This post is off-topic. Do not read. 1) I'm sure you have people that agree with you just as I have many that agree with my opinion. Doesn't mean much...there will always be supporters for some sort of argument. The AR is a versatile weapon, it is supposed to be able to rival any weapon. That is why it's "versatile". If it didn't rival weapons of different niches, then it wouldn't be versatile. 2) If a shotgunner hits a dude in the back and doesn't finish him, then they have their self to blame. Because if you got close enough to hit someone in the back with a shotgun blast...most of their health will be gone. An assault player won't have enough time to bunny hop around and still get the kill. A shotgunner will be able to get two blasts off before the assault player is able to face them. So, if a scout gets turned on, they have to reevaluate themselves. This game has a lot of crutches.....you're only naming stuff that may apply to the AR. But let's be honest here, damage mods, shield extenders, armor plates, kinetic catalyzers, etc are all crutches. In other games, if you're a shotgunner, you are not able to run faster than everyone else. Your movement speed was equal to those who used ARs. To be successful you still had to flank and do what you have to do. The AR role in other games is just as it is here in Dust. So, you can't just isolate recoil, dispersion, etc because it relates to the AR. Everything in this game is a crutch....but some things are just too cheesy like forge gunning on a tower. And if you want to talk recoil....no one has mentioned recoil when it comes to the HMG. That gun is supposed to kick like a mule but where are the complaints about the recoil on the HMG? 3) It isn't easy to get into optimal range as a scout/shotgun but the point is to flank. You can't run straight at assault players and expect to still get the kill. The scout's strength is supposed to be their elusiveness and speed. Not using those and flanking will surely get you killed and the AR isn't to blame for those failures. And it didn't matter which suit, the twins were using....which basically meant that they had true skill. They were successful in anything that they used. And they dominated with 8 and 9 KDRs.....better than many good AR users.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2141	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:17:00 - [108] - Quote I hear you, YDubbs, and would be obliged to agree to disagree. Your opinion is one I will always respect. o7 I'm running Scout AR at the moment, pretty much just like I would a Scout Shotgun. Sneaky sneaky, engage from behind, choose targets wisely. Anyhow, those pesky Shotgun counters like back-pedaling, KB/M strafing, bunny-hopping ... ill-conceived mechanics that often foil a well-planned shotgun flank attack ... none of those work against a close-range AR from behind. In a way, I'm hedging my bet. If CQC weapon balance and mechanics aren't deemed worthy of tweaking, then I'll be content to run AR like everyone else. Still not giving up on the Scout suit, though :p
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2081	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:23:00 - [109] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: I hear you, YDubbs, and would be obliged to agree to disagree. Your opinion is one I will always respect. o7 I'm running Scout AR at the moment, pretty much just like I would a Scout Shotgun. Sneaky sneaky, engage from behind, choose targets wisely. Anyhow, those pesky Shotgun counters like back-pedaling, KB/M strafing, bunny-hopping ... ill-conceived mechanics that often foil a well-planned shotgun flank attack ... none of those work against a close-range AR from behind. In a way, I'm hedging my bet. If CQC weapon balance and mechanics aren't deemed worthy of tweaking, then I'll be content to run AR like everyone else. Still not giving up on the Scout suit, though :p scout AR is a rough combo because this game allows players to have a lot of health. So, even if you flank them, they can turn around and finish you because you don't have much health as a scout...(well, I take that back because I see 500 hp of armor on some scouts and with that much armor.....scouts shouldn't have any problem)


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