Aim Assist isn't as bad as you think, we had this debunked in .4, as people get used to it there aim becomes worse, so don't worry!

The OP parts of the AR is its accuracy, lack of recoil, we could live with the damage if there was actual spread to the gun!

Lol... its bad.

Because you get "used" to it, it gets worse? the people on these forums...

Have you played BF4? The aim assist in that game is ********. It snaps you onto the target....whatever assist is in dust, it doesn't do that.

They put in AA in battlefield to fix latency issues with hit detection they actively tried to fix for almost a year. The aim assist has nothing to do with the need for a computer to help players aim... it had to do with fundamental game problems that couldnt be fixed otherwise.

AA will track moving targets with very minimal input.. that's a massive problem in a game like DUST... where sustained fire on the target is what gets you your results...

MAG never needed any AA....

MAG never needed any AA....

It doesn't matter to me what the reason is for why the AA on BF is ridiculous...just saying that it is insane.

And you are exaggerating about the aim assist in dust. I think it got ninja nerfed but even when they first implemented it, you still had to aim. If dust did the aim for you then anyone would be able to kill anyone in dust. In Battlefield, you don't really have to be a good shooter (as far as aim is concerned) because it does it for you. All you do is press L1 and fire.

In dust, noobs can not consistently kill a good shooter even if they have the same fit.

I don't see much of a difference in the shooting mechanics between MAG and Dust at this moment.

It doesn't matter to me what the reason is for why the AA on BF is ridiculous...just saying that it is insane.

And you are exaggerating about the aim assist in dust. I think it got ninja nerfed but even when they first implemented it, you still had to aim. If dust did the aim for you then anyone would be able to kill anyone in dust. In Battlefield, you don't really have to be a good shooter (as far as aim is concerned) because it does it for you. All you do is press L1 and fire.

In dust, noobs can not consistently kill a good shooter even if they have the same fit.

well the TTK is not much different now for sure..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odG7QVYwc2U

But simply having to aim for yourself is what made the TTk in Mag.

too much AR crutches yeah

I dont think they're ever gonna do such high towers ever again

Howabout stairs.. or an elevator... the game is really going to suck if we keep removing tactics instead of adding counters.

1) I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played.

2) Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle.

3) As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead.

too much AR crutches yeah

With all due respect, sir:

1) I'm not seeking AR nerf because its used by the majority of players. I'm seeking AR nerf because it has and continues to rival niche weapons while within the strict bounds of their specialty. Yes, as an oft-robbed shotgunner, this fact absolutely peeves and motivates on a personal level, but CQC imbalance also detracts from Dust's big-picture. Since Uprising, Dust has migrated from favoring squad diversity and tactics to favoring homogeneity ... namely, the more AR/ScR Medium Frames, the better the squad. My hopes are high, but I'm not sure if CCP is willing or able to correct the trend toward less diversity. I'm not alone in my criticism; see any recent commentary by CEOPyrex.

2) A fight that begins with a well-placed SG blast to the back should favor the shotgunner the vast majority of the time...this is not the case. A fight that begins with a SG blasting you head-on at 5 meters should favor the shotgunner (unless you're an HMG heavy)...this also is not the case. If your beef is with cheap tactics, then let's talk about backpedal, bunny hop, and KB/M strafe as "legitimate" shotgun counters. If your beef is with crutches, then we should discuss recoil, dispersion, hip-fire spread, instantaneous ADS and aim-assist.

3) Folks seem to forget that Jane and Annie ditched the Scout suit mid-Chromosome in favor of Biotic Assault suits. The Twins then switched to Slayer Logi in Uprising. "If they got close enough, you were sure as dead" ... this actually sounds like an appropriate description of a Shotgun. There's nothing EZ about getting into optimal range with a Shotgun. When successful, a medium-range fighter should have very low odds of survival. At present, that medium-range fighter has quite decent odds. He needs only sufficient HP to withstand the first blast and enough sense to backpedal and hip-fire his AR or ScR. Flank attack prevented. No gungame, skill, situational awareness or squad required.

TL/DR - This post is off-topic. Do not read.

I hear you, YDubbs, and would be obliged to agree to disagree.
Your opinion is one I will always respect. o7

I'm running Scout AR at the moment, pretty much just like I would a Scout Shotgun. Sneaky sneaky, engage from behind, choose targets wisely. Anyhow, those pesky Shotgun counters like back-pedaling, KB/M strafing, bunny-hopping ... ill-conceived mechanics that often foil a well-planned shotgun flank attack ... none of those work against a close-range AR from behind.

In a way, I'm hedging my bet. If CQC weapon balance and mechanics aren't deemed worthy of tweaking, then I'll be content to run AR like everyone else. Still not giving up on the Scout suit, though :p