A forge gun does not need splash damage as potent as it is. It's a hand held rail gun...only better in every way. Forge Gun/AR is the only way I fit my heavy alt.

Using a drop ship to try and dislodge a FG-sniper will result in a lost drop ship.

Uplink spam can be addressed by limiting the number deployed to 1. Focusing the difference between basic/advanced/proto on the amount of clones that can spawn on it, spawn delay and it's signature radius making them harder to find. Quality over quantity.

So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics

CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers.

Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary.

Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7.

This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this

So what you are saying is that a metal slug traveling at 7000 meters per second (~mach 20.5) is going to hit the ground and wink out existence... Someone needs to relearn physics

If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it.

80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon
DMG 1798
Splash 292.5
Radius 2.5m

Ishukone Assault FG
DMG 1663.2
Splash 277.2
Radius 2.1m

A single player locking down an entire point and the surrounding area with the only way to take him down is using excessive force like orbitals = valid tactic?
Excuse me but what ISN'T a valid tactic?

CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust. You have to do something about drop uplink spam and forge gun sniping on roofs/towers.

Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning. Sure, some abused explosive weapons like contact grenades and flaylocks but that's fine. But once forge gun, OHKing from a roof was discovered, battles have gone to a whole new level of cheesy. There was a slight nerf to forges but there shouldnt be any splash damage on that weapon. It's primary function is anti-vehicle. Splash damage does nothing to tanks and dropships...so it isn't necessary.

Drop uplink spam also ruins pc because it is one of the biggest crutches in a long line of crutches in this game. Not to mention, I do believe that it drops framerates in pc. I only experience framerate issues vs teams that spams them. There should be a huge reduction on the number of drop uplinks that one can have active on a battlefield. I can have a suit that carries 9.....switch and drop another 7.

This is out of hand....there are too many crutches that are taking the skill out of the dust and ruining the fun factor. Tower forge gun sniping objectives and drop uplink spam are the two biggest ones. Please get on this

If the hand held FG fires with the power of 80GJ I'd like to know where in the heavy suit that much energy is generated to make so small a weapon comparable to so large a weapon that has an entire tank to power it.

80GJ Compressed Particle Cannon
DMG 1798
Splash 292.5
Radius 2.5m

Ishukone Assault FG
DMG 1663.2
Splash 277.2
Radius 2.1m

Yes it's annoying. but one of Dust interest is that you should be able to have a lot of different tactics. And as much counters as possible among your corpmates. So the "take higher ground and use forge gun tactic" doesnt represent an issue. As long as you can counter it (sniper ? DS to get the guy out of position)

Now, the uplink spam is a lot more annoying. It kills the purpose of the uplinks by making them a spam tactic. It clots (cloats ? ) the UI and also seems to cause performance issues. As for a counter, there aint much except spamming yourself. Also, i think pretty much everyone is ok with stopping this.

Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice.

I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent.

Touche....I was just getting ready to concede the debate because I wish for the splash damage to be negligible as well. Dude threw in real life physics and you countered it with real world explanation..nice.

I see how that railgun jerks that big ass tank....how is a heavy suit able to withstand that same force?? So, forget real world.....we are playing a video game set in the future...where we are resupplied in a forcefield. Although, it may not change the law of physics....who cares? Nerf the splash damage on the forge gun to negligent.

There is no hard counter to forge snipers, last PC I was in there was a logi/heavy up on the tower, triage hives, reptool and two secs of ammo hives for that heavy. Good luck getting a dropship up there when you cant get within 400 meters without being shot down.

Sounds like you guys need to invest in snipers, logis, and dropship pilots.

Because people use all the tools available to them and create situations that disrupt you isn't a crutch...that's a multi-faceted tactical game.

Alllow me to give a Physics theory counter!

When you charge the forge gun, you see a little slider move towards you down the barrel! This is the difference between the forge gun and a rail turret! Both run of coils, the rail turret uses statically charged coils, they all start positive and change to negative as the slug passes through! The forge gun uses a slider to powder each coil as needed! This is why a rail turret can fire faster with trigger held down, while the forge must charge again!

Corp battles boils down to who has the high spot where you can forge down on a letter and camp it. I remember the first battles in pc...it was so fun because it was mostly about gunning.

CCP, I am pleading to you once again.........to put skill back into dust.

Read first line. Suspected nerf AR, ScR, or Aim-Assist thread.
Disappointed, but still love you, Ydubbs :-)

I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played.

Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle.

As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead.

Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche.

Put this way,
100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment,
85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment,
50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment,
1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god)
0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment,

That just does not happen at the moment!

I'm equally disappointed that you're trying to nerf the AR. It works as intended....just cause most people are using it, doesn't mean that it's OP. I use the AR because I've been using the AR since MAG and any other shooter that I've played.

Just because you get killed by an AR when you're using a shotgun, doesn't mean that the AR is OP. I can kill a dude in a shotgun in dust, MAG, BF, etc. Just because you have a shotgun in close quarters doesn't mean that you will win every cqc battle.

As a matter of fact, thank god for the versatility of an AR because there is no counter for a speed scout/shotty. Ask anyone that have been playing this game, calamity and annie oakley were dangerous with that thing. If they got close enough, you were sure as dead.

Brilliant AR time, look, its too accurate, its too powerful, its too easy! No a shotgun does not guarantee a win in cqc but it should make your stain your dropsuit when one jumps out at you, and thank the godess if you survive! There are plenty of counters to shotty scout, the md, a grenade, a hmg, a shotgun. The AR should not be a HARD counter to anything but an AR, it should be a situational counter, where you caught a niche weapon outside of its niche.

Put this way,
100/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon in the shotgun's niche environment,
85/100 times a shotgun will beat an AR in the shotgun's niche environment,
50/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon outside either weapons niche enviroment,
1/100 times a shotgun will an AR outside its niche environment, (assuming 1 win due to an act of god)
0/100 times a shotgun will beat another niche weapon, inside the other weapons environment,

That just does not happen at the moment!