WE JUST WANT THE TRIPLE SP EVENT FROM JULY 4TH WEEKEND

that is all

THAT IS ALL!

I disapprove of forcing players to grind.
Triple everything CCP!

I have the time at the moment. Others don't.

There is no reason the people who don't should miss out on the additional SP.

Arguing against this is without just cause. You are wrong, and it sounds as if you have no grasp of the working world. You appear to have no respect or empathy for those who are clearly more responsible than you, either. I would even go so far as to say you probably have Oppositional Defiance Disorder, as there is no clear motivation for your argument other than to simply argue and be heard.

Thank you for sharing your opinion with the adults. In the future, I would recommend not doing so.

Vin, that's my estimation too; my math is the same... I'm hoping Monday I can switch to my second character cuz my first will be dry of SP by then.

I'd guess at least half on this forum have been in Dust 514 since at least the May release (...guess I need to start calling it EVE Dust 514 from here on, because the game is finally evolving full-blast in that direction).
So, I think we ought to be way past some kind of realization that the devs of this game DO NOT want players to build up their "points" quickly AT ALL,... and that they probably (justifyably?) believe that giving us freebies or gifts of ANY amount goes against the "Grind" component that the game's core is built around.

So should we really shake fists and request "fairer free gifts"?: A true triple-event like the one we got a few months ago, will NOT repeat more than once every "X" years (or possibly never again). No insult intended, but, why would it? Really.

In fact, now that about 6 months have passed and SOME of us can finally brag that we inched through the SP grind enough to have that pinnacle, fully-mods, Lvl 5'd SP vehicle to be proud of...... there's word of replacing SP with "LP" the moment you decide to leave Public Contracts and enter the more EVE-heavy Factional Warfare.
OH NOOO!! Step into that room, and how many free Loyatly Points do I think they will start me off with? 10 LP and a radio commercial for more Aurum, maybe. LOL!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the grind, but I always know: CCP's impish aim is to line me up for 10 years of grinding, not throw me any bones.

And again, I'm cool with that. "Celesta, expect very few, rare real trincates of sympathy. The GRIND is what this game is about."


[I can also safely say, the grind component used in Dust is the most intense and ruthless version of grind that I can ever recall in my entire gaming history---the only games I ever played that were as tough to advance through as this one, always did so with "cheat traps" that you couldn't see and couldn't defend against, to "make sure you have to repeat the desert-level 80 times, so you can't reach the end of the game too fast". So I have to say, Well Done CCP for making this game difficult WITHOUT cheating---You played it straight, and gave us a nasty Grind up front, didn't try to hide it. I have to give you respect for that.]

You are missing the point buddy

Nobodys forcing you to grind. But for me im still enjoying the event simply because i usually cap by saturday. Now i get a few more days to actually feel like im getting rewarded for my matches. Honestly this feels like what our cap should be normally in order to get new players up to a competitive level. At least for players under a cartain SP limit.

What would you guys complain about if there was no cap? Lots of people want there to be no cap at all. Would you complain about that? With the triple SP it is just like having no cap. I don't understand what you people want.

Entitlement? Just make the event like it was before at the beginning of Uprising and we wouldn't have any complaints. No one has time to play Dust for 30+ hours, all this "event" does is punish casual players for having a life.

This thread shows the real problem with dust.
Smart people using numbers to appeal to rationalilty, and extremely ignorant, retard3d, selfish people ruining it.

Yes. Entitlement. Because CCP didn't have to do this.

What would you guys complain about if there was no cap? Lots of people want there to be no cap at all. Would you complain about that? With the triple SP it is just like having no cap. I don't understand what you people want.

I love how people are trying to defend CCP`s actions.

Like others have said, these events are supposed to be about drawi8ng attention to the game. For both new players coming into dust and old players that have stopped playing.

The problem is CCP slips up time and time again. My conclusion is they MUST want dust to fail. I don't see how their actions could be perceived otherwise.

These events and the loss of decent merc. packs make this abundantly clear.

My little bit of advice to CCP. You want old players to come back and new players to give dust a try..... then give people a great incentive!

How about a REAL "Triple SP" for all new players until they reach say 3-5m sp? Different packs that cater to new players and packs that cater to vets. Things people really want, not just some rehashed old suit we have all seen before.

Updated the OP. People crying "Entitlement" please GTFO as you have no clue what you are talking about.

A lot of people want no cap? I'd say minority want no cap. You must have no clue what the consequences for no cap would be, and it is far greater than some random kid having 100 million SP.

It doesn't help that not a single person who used the word "entitlement" in this thread was able to do so correctly. The word has to be explicitly linked to a particular object or personal activity. Just throwing the word out as a label has the same value as calling someone a "Rubber Duck."

This is what happens when people listen to angry politicians or ranting political commentators.


As far as this even goes all I have is this question: "What is the point of having an artificial limit to skill point gain over the week if it's just going to be raised and lowered for unclear reasons?"

EDIT: If you're just going to say "entitlement" then get out. There is nothing entitling about this argument. Do you honestly think it's a good idea for CCP to more than double the time required to reach the cap? If so, you're probably one of those people who are in favor of removing the cap all together and don't even understand why it exists in the first place. Furthermore, you must not understand the consequences associated with raising the time to reach the cap, such as AFK farming which results in even more pub stomping. No one is acting entitled, we're only pointing out a poor implementation. To be quite honest, the only people who are saying "Entitlement" are probably the people with way too much time on their hands and want to take advantage of getting more SP than everyone else. If you can cap during a normal week, you should be able to cap during a triple SP week.

Just to be clear, when you are in battle there are three types of SP being awarded.

1 SP per 1 WP, counted towards your active skill points. This is being tripled.

5 SP per 1 second in battle, this is only obtained when you are in a match and is counted as active skill points and is part of the skill points displayed at the end of the battle. This will not be tripled (foolishly).

1 SP per 3.6 seconds, which would of been gained regardless of whether you were in a battle or not. This is counted as passive SP, and obviously isn't tripled.

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Now the problem here is that there are two parts to the active skill points, and only the lesser one is tripled. Meanwhile, the active skill point cap is tripled. So let's break out the math. Assume a match of Skirmish on average lasts 15 minutes, and the average Joe gets 1000 war points a match. So that is

Normal Week
15 minutes * 60 seconds / minute * 5 SP / second = 4,500 SP
1000 WP * 1 SP / WP = 1,000 SP
Total SP gained from battle: 5,500 SP
Weekly Cap: 190,400 SP
Matches to cap out: 190,400 SP / 5,500 SP / match) = 34.618 matches >>> 35 matches to cap out

Triple SP Event Done Properly
15 minutes * 60 seconds / minute * 5 SP / second * 3 = 13,500 SP
1000 WP * 1 SP / WP * 3 = 3,000 SP
Total SP gained from battle: 16,500 SP
Weekly Cap: 190,400 SP * 3 = 571,200 SP
Matches to cap out: 571,200 SP / (16,500 SP / match) = 34.618 matches >>> 35 matches to cap out

Triple SP Even in Reality
15 minutes * 60 seconds / minute * 5 SP / second = 4,500 SP
1000 WP * 1 SP/ WP * 3 = 3,000 SP
Total SP gained from battle: 7,500 SP
Weekly Cap: 190,400 SP * 3 = 571,200 SP
Matches t cap out: 571,200 SP / (7,500 SP / match) = 76.16 matches >>> 77 matches to cap out

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Now look, I know this is all SP we wouldn't normally be getting and it may sound like I'm acting entitled, but please leave those pity arguments behind. People want to cap out so they don't feel like they are missing out, but because of the way CCP has implemented this triple SP event, they are asking people to more than double their play time which is absurd! I believe CCP said they only started doing WP only getting counted for bonus SP events to avoid AFK players, but since then they have implemented the AFK kick system and the truth of the matter is that this only encourages people to get a rubber band and AFK anyways. Who has time for 77 matches in one week?

Come on CCP, show us you have common sense!

Then play what you can and stop complaining. If you don't have the time to cap, then don't. You don't HAVE to cap to out.

These events are a joke to say the least. Any other game that offers a double or triple XP event is as clear as it is stated. It's not this read between the lines bullshit we get from CCP every month. Not to mention the ever changing landscape from month to month.

A patch is released and it changes the complete feel of the game. This has happened at least 3 times. I can't even count on coming back to a game that I have dedicated so much of my time to become accustomed to. I have never played a game that has changed it's central gameplay so much. My heavy has been rendered completely useless with this patch and they expect me to grind out some crap ass read between the lines triple* sp event? This must be a joke.

Time for me to move on to something I can rely on and something I know will have the same feel and core mechanics in 3 weeks. Good luck to all you mercs who decide to stick it out and constantly get bent over so they can stick it where the sun don't shine. I can't take anymore. My ass hurts!

The level of entitlement in this thread is astounding.

Here's a tip: You don't HAVE to grind out the matches. You get extra SP if you maintain your current play times. If you have more time or make more time to play this week, then you get more SP. It's simple.

CCP isn't responsible for your sense of entitlement, you have to deal with it yourself.

Here's a simple analogy to make things simpler for you.

Say on your local radio station, there's a dial-in competition, where if you enter you get $5 cash in hand. Every time you participate in the event you get your reward handed out to you. Naturally, someone with more time on their hands will get more rewards, and someone with less time won't get more. Do you think you should be entitled to the same rewards as the person with more time? Do you gripe about it? If so, you really need a reality check.

Also, at the comments about 'adults with work and married with children' etc. Well, if you think capping out at a video game takes priority over other commitments, then you need to get your priorities and your life sorted.

Instead of viewing this as 'CCP is forcing me to play more to enjoy the rewards', maybe grow up, lose that entitled view, and start viewing this as 'CCP is rewarding me if I play more, and if I don't, I still get more SP than I normally would'.


First world problems and the people that have them

You guys are ridiculous...I played for like, 4 hours last night and went from 590,000 to like 424,000. I played for like 30 minutes this morning before work and went from 424,000 to like 410,000.

I'm gonna play another 4 hours tonight and assume I'll pick up the same 166,000 I did last night. Friday night I'll be hanging out with my girl and Saturday we'll be at laser shows in Nashville, TN.

Sunday I'll probably play 4 hours during the day (166,000) and 4 hours towards night time (166,000) so I'll be done by Sunday. I might change my mind and go see Pauly Shore @ Zanies Comedy Club in Nashville so I'd be done by Monday but moral of the story....its not so hard to get through.

I'll still be doing laundry and hanging with my girl and doing weekend activities and going to work (4 hours on Saturday) as usual....so I don't see a problem.

What's your problem?