Maybe I haven't played enough but I really don't notice all this about TTK going down since 1.4 or something. Is this really all everyone is putting down the problems of the game to? TTK? Three letters... Maybe it's because it's so easy to type.

Someone please explain to me how fixing TTK will do anything. How do we even begin to fix so abstract a concept as TTK?

I will subscribe to this thread and your opinions will be read, so prove me wrong. Go on.

Ttyl, k.

now this is just my view of things but at the moment the TTK has now become way to fast, that dust has become twitch shooter, iv reached the point where im getting killed before i know im getting shot at.

if this is road dust is going down so be it but thats not the type of game i wanted to play, i wanted length fun fights where same thinking and tackets beat who has the faster trigger finger

that's why the only option is to use a maaaaaassss driiiiver

when will passive SP give me my ADV minmatar?

i'm not liking these things I hear about DUST. the more it becomes a proper game, the more
it becomes like other games.

now this is just my view of things but at the moment the TTK has now become way to fast, that dust has become twitch shooter, iv reached the point where im getting killed before i know im getting shot at.

if this is road dust is going down so be it but thats not the type of game i wanted to play, i wanted length fun fights where same thinking and tackets beat who has the faster trigger finger

TTK is fine. You either need to stick closer to cover, or be more aware of your surroundings.

scouts cant scout beucase they get vaporized due to their low health

and heavies are too slow to cross open ground.

so what cover are we meant to stick too when someone shoots round the conour and downs 3 people with a dovell before anyone can react.

or am just going to have to execpt that dust is just another CoD clone and i have to open the pve in destiny is worth the hype

now this is just my view of things but at the moment the TTK of the Ar has now become way to fast, that dust has become twitch shooter, iv reached the point where im getting killed by Proto Ars before i know im getting shot at.

if this is road dust is going down so be it but thats not the type of game i wanted to play, i wanted length fun fights with a variety of weapons where same thinking and tactics win instead of who has the faster trigger finger

now this is just my view of things but at the moment the TTK has now become way to fast, that dust has become twitch shooter, iv reached the point where im getting killed before i know im getting shot at.

if this is road dust is going down so be it but thats not the type of game i wanted to play, i wanted length fun fights where same thinking and tackets beat who has the faster trigger finger

Like I said in another thread:

"TTK" is a slow, gentle way to tip-toe up to the elephants in the room: Auto Aim and AR damage.

Start with talking about removing auto aim and you get no traction.

Start with asking for an AR nerf, and it's the same.

Start with "TTK", and you can actually start a conversation without a bunch of whiners being dragged tooth and nail towards to the prospect of un-bribing themselves.

I've only played a few matches so far today, but I can't say I've noticed a significantly shorter TTK.

Although, my playstyle has evolved into turtle tactics so I only poke my head out every once in a while.

I think the AR works the way its supposed to. I play with several different weapons and they all seem to work perfectly in the roles they are designed for.

Under 60 meters watch out for the AR. Ive had HMG's kill me in a second at 30 meters, Ive been ripped apart by AR's at relatively close range.

Scrambler Rifle wastes me in a second without warning. At 100 meters, a laser rifle with auto aim is death unless you have really close cover. Dont even et me started on Mass Drivers. Shot guns are difficult to use in my opinion, but if you can its a 1 on 1 win.
I find that lately grenades are kicking my butt, but their not OP. not even nanohive spamming them.

if you take a close look at the reasons you die fast i'll bet you find that its mostly your own fault. Or a clever opponents victory.

If someone can kill you in a second, most likely you can do the same to them if you reverse the circumstances. TTK is not dependent on game mechanics, its dependent on tactics, skills, and opportunity. make the weapons kill slower, and the results will not change. The guy who got the drop on you still kills you.

If a player kills you over and over, don't blame the weapon. Blame yourself.

GTA has actual cover tactic's built around playing that way...


DUST was never a game even remotely built this way... we have no prone positions.. we can't roll or dive...

People need to wake up to what made DUST.... well... DUST... because right now there is 20 better options to play with the same game style... but the game was built to be played like that.

This is why this game is dieing... it has NOTHING to do with the AR is to powerful ... derp no its the laser... derp its the tactical.. derrp its the mass driver... derrp its the grenade...

Dumbass's want some game where your forced to take cover or die... even with high health point values.. legitimate walking breathing "tanks" and healers...

And unlimited lifes as you wake up in another clone....

But NOOOOO we want to take cover with broken terrain and textures you get stuck on and glitched hitboxes that get you hit even when behind the cover...

So you wan't stand there firing ultra weak bullets at each other from 30m away reloading twice to kill a guy?
Cover is important in ANY shooter where you can't shoot through walls! You don't need a cover system to use cover! And you shouldn't be able to run across a no mans land even as a heavy!

Many of this game's unique and defining concepts rely on having a long (2+ second) TTK. Tactics take a back seat when getting the DPS on your opponent 0.5 second earlier will allow you to cut them down before they can react. Similarly, things like speed tanking and profile dampening are rendered less useful, because the time from being seen to dying has dropped sharply, to <1 second for many suits and <2 seconds for heavies. All that matters now is having more tank and more DPS than your opponent, and twitchier aim. This is what many shooters are, but it's not what I want Dust to be.

edit: Also, TTK is not even mildly abstract- it's quite concrete. EHP divided by DPS = TTK. Changing it is similarly easy: increase EHP, decrease damage, or do both.

Wait. So you're saying if people die extremely fast, tactics have lesser importance? Surely the inverse is true. Tactics have to be employed so you kill the other person before they even see you. Isn't that how it works in warfare throughout the times?

Increasing TTK compensates for the fact that you weren't thinking, you weren't planning your moves, and hence require that extra HP to make up for your mistake.

Speed tanking should work when you're dashing along at 60m, dodging sniper shots and making it a pain for a rifle-user to track you. Dampening gives you that extra second over the opponent to prepare your shots, and drop them before they drop you.

DPS is not all that matters, and the whole reason for that is BECAUSE TTK is so short. Because of this, it doesn't matter if you use an Exile or a Duvolle, if you get the jump on someone, you probably will win the fight!

eHP is concrete. But DPS? How do you calculate that? We all know simply taking (Damage x RPM)/60 isn't going to give you your true DPS in combat. Have you factored in reloading in the middle of a fight? Cover that could block your shots? Headshot damage? Grenades? Other people firing at the same target? DOZENS of other factors.

I repeat: TTK isn't what makes the game more tactical. Feel free to argue otherwise. I'll give you likes if I agree.

WTF dude.... have you even watched the DUST video's about a heavy sniper? like you guys are all comming from CoD? my head's gonna explode...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlH2c5dyA&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=1

This is what everyone is doing here.... we aren't here to have a realistic TTK... we are here to be in super human armor and make super human merc's that should feel immortal.

TTK is fine. You either need to stick closer to cover, or be more aware of your surroundings.