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Banning Hammer wrote:

Mregomies wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me.
The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever.

I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Roll

Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it.

Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...;

Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout.

That should be removed, yes! I don't even read that text when I'm scanning...

You don't read that huge white letters in the MIDDLE of your screen ?.... you just have to look for the word SOME... don't even need to read the full thing. That is just FAR to LAZY....

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DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2271	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:18:00 - [1] - Quote I want to get this off my chest. It's so blatantly obvious yet no ones says anything. The active scanner is over powered. Thank god I let that out... As for my reason? Well I did say it was obvious..and it is. It's a freaking blackbird from COD! Stronger than a UAV... I mean look at the damn thing! lol. I'm being completely serious here.. I mean yes I know that all you have to do is skill into dampening but cmon.. Like.. It really is OP as hell.. Anyone else? I can't be the only one... GûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæGôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢GûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûê ¸¸.GÇó¨GÇóGÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà¸¸.GÇó¨GÇó Gùó GùúForum Warrior LV. 2GùÑ Gùñ
dogmanpig black market bank 24	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:22:00 - [2] - Quote maybe you are? You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2057	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:24:00 - [3] - Quote Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. a¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬a¦æGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæß+¦-+-++»-+-í -ª+¦-+-++¦-ÅGûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûêa¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬ `-ô-â-Åa+ó-+ a+¼+¦-Å-Å+¦-â-Å Gäô+¦v+¦Gäô 2`
dogmanpig black market bank 24	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:25:00 - [4] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. but you can beat all scanners if you want to functional, yes functions as intended probably not(pss 360 scans) You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4395	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:25:00 - [5] - Quote Yep. It even freaking tells you if someone evaded the scan. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 87	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:26:00 - [6] - Quote DUST ain't COD or BF... This is scifi game, we are not in Vietnam.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 67	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:27:00 - [7] - Quote The game still needs x-ray goggles to see nearby models through textures and nv-goggles of sorts to paint all the enemy infantry as bright red models.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2058	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:29:00 - [8] - Quote Mregomies wrote: DUST ain't COD or BF... This is scifi game, we are not in Vietnam. Oh, but i agree... Dust 514 is not even a FPS... is more of a ..... "pretend shooter game for Scrubs." a¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬a¦æGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæß+¦-+-++»-+-í -ª+¦-+-++¦-ÅGûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûêa¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬ `-ô-â-Åa+ó-+ a+¼+¦-Å-Å+¦-â-Å Gäô+¦v+¦Gäô 2`
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 741	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:31:00 - [9] - Quote The issue I have with it is that the only way to beat it is to give up all of your low slots. The person using it only has to either A: give up an equipment slot, or B: don't use it. We need an equipment type profile dampener, imo.
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 88	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:39:00 - [10] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Mregomies wrote: DUST ain't COD or BF... This is scifi game, we are not in Vietnam. Oh, but i agree... Dust 514 is not even a FPS... is more of a ..... "pretend shooter game for Scrubs." And I don't get too serious with videogames... everyone can fit scanner and use it. I farm WP with it and give vital information to squadleader when OB is about to happend because I don't use mic in game it's my way to communicate.

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 786	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:39:00 - [11] - Quote ofcourse scanners are overpowered but you can be sure that sooner or later some scrubs will step into this thread using some scrub logic to defend their crutch. problem is that the mechanic is too binary and having a scanner has pretty much no drawback while countering a scanner requires to give up alot of EHP because it eats your low slots. dampening should be dependend on range and obstacles to begin with and all dampening should do is just to reduce the range at which you can be detected. kind of silly that a guy with damps is immune to a scanner when you sit right in his face, it is also stupid that a guy can sit hidden behind several walls and obstacles and scan an entire area within 100m.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 36	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:50:00 - [12] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2058	Posted - 2013.10.29 10:55:00 - [13] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Mregomies wrote: DUST ain't COD or BF... This is scifi game, we are not in Vietnam. Oh, but i agree... Dust 514 is not even a FPS... is more of a ..... "pretend shooter game for Scrubs." And I don't get too serious with videogames... everyone can fit scanner and use it. I farm WP with it and give vital information to squadleader when OB is about to happend because I don't use mic in game it's my way to communicate. CCP is trying to get Dust 514 into the Electronic Sports environment ..... and you saying that you don't get too serious with video games...the full thing is just moronic ... Make a game for Lazy people... and then call it a Competitive game ....REALLY ? a¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬a¦æGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæß+¦-+-++»-+-í -ª+¦-+-++¦-ÅGûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûêa¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬ `-ô-â-Åa+ó-+ a+¼+¦-Å-Å+¦-â-Å Gäô+¦v+¦Gäô 2`
dogmanpig black market bank 26	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:00:00 - [14] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Mregomies wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Mregomies wrote: DUST ain't COD or BF... This is scifi game, we are not in Vietnam. Oh, but i agree... Dust 514 is not even a FPS... is more of a ..... "pretend shooter game for Scrubs." And I don't get too serious with videogames... everyone can fit scanner and use it. I farm WP with it and give vital information to squadleader when OB is about to happend because I don't use mic in game it's my way to communicate. CCP is trying to get Dust 514 into the Electronic Sports environment ..... and you saying that you don't get too serious with video games...the full thing is just moronic ... Make a game for Lazy people... and then call it a Competitive game ....REALLY ? hmmm... eating challenges.... no, not even... thought lost. well im the lazest! so ha! You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 788	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:02:00 - [15] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it. yeah because someone that uses damps to counter scanners is a dangerous foe with his low ehp. profile dampening is a useless skill. a medium suits with max profile dampening barely beats a STD scanner. using an ADV scanner gives you huge benefits with zero drawbacks and if someone wants to waste that low slot for a damp, well go for it, then you get mauled by those with more ehp. beside that, some people use proto scanners, do you really suggest wasting all your low slots to beat the scan precision of proto scanners? please go for it then tell me how it worked out ingame.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2058	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:02:00 - [16] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it. Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...; Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout. a¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬a¦æGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæß+¦-+-++»-+-í -ª+¦-+-++¦-ÅGûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûêa¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬ `-ô-â-Åa+ó-+ a+¼+¦-Å-Å+¦-â-Å Gäô+¦v+¦Gäô 2`
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:11:00 - [17] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it. Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...; Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout. That should be removed, yes! I don't even read that text when I'm scanning...
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2058	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:14:00 - [18] - Quote Mregomies wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it. Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...; Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout. That should be removed, yes! I don't even read that text when I'm scanning... You don't read that huge white letters in the MIDDLE of your screen ?.... you just have to look for the word SOME... don't even need to read the full thing. That is just FAR to LAZY.... a¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬a¦æGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæß+¦-+-++»-+-í -ª+¦-+-++¦-ÅGûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûêa¦æ¦¬¦P¦¬ `-ô-â-Åa+ó-+ a+¼+¦-Å-Å+¦-â-Å Gäô+¦v+¦Gäô 2`
Dachande Anasazi DUST University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:21:00 - [19] - Quote While many of my flanks have been ruined because of it. And in pubs it is non-stop scanning. At the end I died because of my lack of gun play. The other dude danced and strafed better. Other times I danced better and it didnt matter if I was scanned. Now they should just limit it to that only your SQUAD can see it. So in PUBS the entire team cant see uand in PC each squad needs one. Personally I want more ewar..Like a doohickie I can place on the map that stays there until destroyed but shows me any enemy moving about in a limited radius. OR like we have in BF (or atleast in BFBC2) a motion detector grenade. Furthermore like EvE we need more Ewar that does different stuff. I remember there was mod in Cstrike a WC3 mod. And one of the special abilities was entangled. If I activated the ability and pointed to someone they were trapped in place. Cuz honestly as a logi when I run with A-list players I barely ever have to heal them. Most of the time I just give ammo. And since they dont die my uplinks are useless. Scanning is a way for logis to be useful.
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:29:00 - [20] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Mregomies wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Well... it is a wallhack ... i don't even look around me anymore... just the mini-map and right in front of me. The Active Scanner have replaced my Tactical Awareness, provably one of the best Lazy Tools ever. I look forward to repeatedly shooting you in the back whenever I see you Profile Dampening is a niche skill, but with the advent of Active Scanners it's a very useful skill. As you say, many people are somewhat oblivious to the effect dampening can have on a game and as such become complacent: Scanners are bad for bad players - no offence intended, I'm just trying to say that if you're going to rely on such a piece of equipment, expect to get badly mauled by those who have accounted for it. Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...; Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout. That should be removed, yes! I don't even read that text when I'm scanning... You don't read that huge white letters in the MIDDLE of your screen ?.... you just have to look for the word SOME... don't even need to read the full thing. That is just FAR to LAZY.... Yes, I don't read the text... I look minimap and field. actually I can say that I havn't saw that text ever. EDIT: and also I don't hunt those reddots. as I said I only scan for my squad and then get back to my logistic job.

Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 39	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Profile Dampening ?.... ha !... don't make me laugh... the active scanner even talks me when is a scout near by...; Some Margin For Error = Look out for a Scout. So, either you're not fighting, at which point the dampened person can just delay engagement or you're actively in a brawl at which point you're now spinning around like a moron looking for someone within a hundred metre radius that is not on your radar while the rest of the enemy team is in your face? Even if a dampened Merc has less EHP (which is fair to say) unless they act like they're entirely invisible (read: moronic) then they aren't going to just run at you and expect you to not notice. Just recently I spent some time running Shotgun in my Dragonfly Scout for fun and spent a lot of time patiently waiting while people moved about. Dampening, and stealth in general, is a lot more about patience than it is about being unseen entirely. If you pull away from the front lines to try and hunt down a dampened player while you're not dampened, you're at a severe disadvantage: those Mercs that have skilled in dampening are more than likely running with a Scanner, with a squad or both which means they will see you coming, outnumber you or both. I ain't saying that dampening is a win button or that it is 100% effective, but in the era of the Active Scanner people are getting complacent. Relying on the Mk1 Eyeball and developing a form of intuition is more important in the long run.
Chad Michael Murray NECROM0NGERS 116	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:42:00 - [22] - Quote Eh, I think scans are a little much. I'm not sure why they changed things how they used to be if you practically have the same thing happening anyway but at the expense of an equipment slot... but yeah, the constant scanned warnings kind of annoying me; granted I can't prevent them because I'm one of the few people crazy enough to actually still play as a heavy and enjoy it.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 167	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:45:00 - [23] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Now they should just limit it to that only your SQUAD can see it. So in PUBS the entire team cant see uand in PC each squad needs one. That's the way it is now. Only your squad can see the scanning results.
shady merc RisingSuns Public Disorder. 22	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:48:00 - [24] - Quote I think/hope that active scanner were made op for a reason. Think of it as baby steps we start with op scanners and messaging letting us know scan accuracy , as well as letting us know we have been scanned. Doing this makes everyone aware of active scanner and their importance on the battlefield. Now we need to build in the scout advantage they should have over the active scanner. We do this by increasing the scan signal on the scanner making it possible for more scouts to dodge being scanned, as well as remove the messages we receive while scanning and being scanned. I would like to know from everyone else how much damping skills a scout should have to bypass each tier of active scanner? Please answer these questions for each scanner. Number of modules,level of the module, and level of skill to for scout to be undetected by Basic scanner Advanced scanner Proto scanner
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 447	Posted - 2013.10.29 11:50:00 - [25] - Quote The fact that an ADV scanner can beat a scout with 1 proto dampner does not make it OP It's balanced Soon my brothers shall see the light, free from the shackles of the Amarr Captors All shall taste my Freedom SoonGäó
mikegunnz The Solecism of Limitation 647	Posted - 2013.10.29 12:12:00 - [26] - Quote Scanners could use a tweak. Right now, it's fairly easy to just run solo in pubs and roflstomp entire squads by scanning and flanking. Perhaps changing how they work so that they aren't fully effective up thru their max range. Meaning: If a scanner has a max effective range of 100m, make it so that it's fully effective to it's specs up thru 50m, and loses 25% of it's effectiveness at 50-100m. This way, ppl don't have to use up all their low slots to dampen, unless they want to avoid being scanned even at close range. Proto scanners would still be able to scan almost everyone, but would be a little less effective at further distances. This would also make the other scanners more useful, since they are more powerful. (right now, all you need is the one that keeps ppl lit up the longest, the "2second scanners" aren't necessary since the quantum and other long duration scanners can pick up most ppl anyway.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 40	Posted - 2013.10.29 12:13:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: The fact that an ADV scanner can beat a scout with 1 proto dampner does not make it OP It's balanced Light Frame profile is 45db base. Medium Frame profile is 50db base. Profile Dampening 5 (to access proto modules) gives a 10% reduction = 40.5db light/45db medium. 1 Complex Dampener gives a 25% reduction = 30.375db light/33.75db medium. Advanced Scanners precision is 36db. Even without levels in Scout, any light frame beats Advanced Scanners with a single Prototype Dampener. Similarly, any medium frame defeats Advanced Scanners with a Complex Dampener. It certainly is more intensive to avoid scanning than it is to participate in Scanfest 2013-2014, but it's not difficult to bring your profile below the precision of the majority of Scanners. Two Complex Dampeners on a medium frame will bring your profile below all Scanners bar the Focused Prototype. Not everyone can run these modules without a reduction in efficiency/survivability, but it's a trade-off: you either survive somewhat better in a straight up fight or you take the opportunity (and acknowledge that you will have to adapt to a less straight forward methodology) to have skewed engagements where you are much more likely to get the drop on someone which can actually increase your overall lifespan immensely.
mikegunnz The Solecism of Limitation 647	Posted - 2013.10.29 12:17:00 - [28] - Quote Alternatively, I like the idea of making dampeners an equipment item. This would make it so ppl couldn't use high level scanners AND dampen themselves. (this is partly why it's OP, you can light up entire teams on minimap AND be a deadly ninja) This would also allow the logi-nerf (that some ppl want) to go thru, while giving the logi an advantage of being the only class that can both scan AND dampen.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 473	Posted - 2013.10.29 12:34:00 - [29] - Quote The scanner isn't balanced. And this isn't just about scouts. The scanner does far more than its intended purpose and greatly diminishes the usefulness of passive scanning. As I understood it the pros and cons of active and passive scanning were supposed to be Active: + More intensive search, able to pick up harder to detect suits + Scans up to medium or long distances - Short duration scan with cooldown in between - Limited angle - Enemy is notified of scan + Results are shared to squad Passive: + Scans entire surroundings - Scan suited for shorter distance - Harder to detect dampened suits + Constantly scanning + Enemy is not notified of scan - Results are not shared with squad * Shortcomings of passive could be slightly negated by investing SP and using modules However, with how Active scanners are now Active: + More intensive search, able to pick up harder to detect suits + Scans up to medium or long distances +/- Short duration scan but can rescan before scanned targets fade + Wide angle (by spinning/sweeping) - Enemy is notified of scan + Warned if someone beats scan + Results shared with squad Passive really has nothing over active at the moment and active is way too useful at the moment.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 111	Posted - 2013.10.29 12:48:00 - [30] - Quote There is a lot of "scan spam" in the game... my HUD has "you have just been scanned" flashing up on it pretty much permanently in every game I'm in, so I just play assuming that everyone can see me and know where I am - they might as well just remove the message altogether as it doesn't make me modify my behaviour one bit....



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