If you think like that, then I move that everyone in Dust 514 uses Nova Knifing heavies.

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If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Send me hate mail!!! <3

kinda like how all the cod scrubs crying and whining made tanks extinct ?

history repeats itself learn from your errors humans muwahahaha

If you think like that, then I move that everyone in Dust 514 uses Nova Knifing heavies.

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If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Really because Tanks weren't broken in the past, or need I remind you when missile tanks controlled the map from one point, or Rail Tanks had 10m blast radius

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Blacklist me? Lol. OK. Consider me blacklisted and basically everyone who had over 15mil SP in 1.0 that elected callogi.

Honestly, if you think that the extra 80HP on a logi vs assault makes a difference, especially when you account for a better shield rep, sidearm, and speed, you're high.

Most assault logi use mass drivers because the assault suit can't carry enough hives to feed our weapon (Sir Man Boy and Reiselia)

So what is your problem? You're afraid of a nerf? You think logis should only be allowed to carry rep tools in the light slot? Why FOTM you make one specific suit for every weapon, while you're at it and turn this game into Battlefield 514.

Normalize the hi and low slots between assault and logi suits.

Replace current blanket bonus (Passive armor rep) with something that actually pertains to logi'ing (Equipment effiecency, CPU and PG reduction) as to make up for less slots for CPU and PG mods.

The two suits should be equals in EHP(one or two AR bullets difference) with sidearms, and equipment being the main difference between the two.

BTW, logis move MARGINALLY slower then assaults of the same level.

Well that WAS broken but they're broken now, too. Chrome had it right, but capacitors would be even better.

This game doesn't force you into confines of roles.

Be a slayer that behaves like a medic.

Or be a medic that behaves like a slayer.

To be honest its the built in armor rep that makes tanking so effective in the logi suits.

Give it to everyone or no one.

I can't armor tank in my standard amarr assault, but in my amarr logi i get two low slows in which I can fit armor plates and not worry about a repper.

XD you are ridiculous make the Logi's the obvious medic's on the feild in full GOLD colored fittings weaker so the enemy can say "THEIRS THE MEDIC, TAKE HIM DOWN" & the mdeic being sad on HP because you demanded a NERF gets killed in seconds. If you recall Logi's at the beginning had only 1 weapon slot & weren't too greatly.... editable now they're stronger & can fight off the enemy who wants a Medic with Minmitar Scout 77 Armor & 100 some sheild, 3 module slots, & 1 weapon slot umm no one LOL

u still havent explained why if u keep all the equip slots the same a caldari logi cant be a logi with 3 highs 2 lows and 350 cpu and 78 pg, the gallente cant with 2-3 and 390 and 78 pg , the minny with 4-1 390 and 78 pg and and the amarr cant with 2-2, 390 cpu and 72 pg.

thats one less than the assault of the same class and its plenty.

As I said before, why is the only healer on the team out in the open knowing full well people are gonna target him first? If people can protect an HAV from AV, why cant the people protect their own logi? Or better yet what compels the logi to go into the frontline on a suicidal heal run?

They already are only 1 or 2 AR bolts away from having equal max health. The stupid "Logi>Assault" myth is wrong, plain and simple.
Also, the max health argument is stupid too, Minny suits have the lowest possible max health, but Minny Assault suits make some of the best assault suits. Do you know why they make some of the best assault suits? They move fast. EHP isn't everything.

1. The proto logi and proto assault of the Caldari can have 2 more plate, and one more extender then the assault. So, about 300 HP difference. Balanced, right? The one that doesn't need to be having shot at

2. The proto med frames of the Gallente also have a HP difference. The logi has 200 more hP

3. While an minmatar may move faster, but what does that matter? I can call in a 27k LAV and move faster, but what does that matter if I can get there fast if I have a LAVfull of scouts? Get LAV, shove full of logis, attack obby, revive dead logis wash rinse repeat.

The slower logi matters not, when you have 300 more HP, and can just use a LAV to get around that

1. The proto logi and proto assault of the Caldari can have 2 more plate, and one more extender then the assault. So, about 300 HP difference. Balanced, right? The one that doesn't need to be having shot at

2. The proto med frames of the Gallente also have a HP difference. The logi has 200 more hP

3. While an minmatar may move faster, but what does that matter? I can call in a 27k LAV and move faster, but what does that matter if I can get there fast if I have a LAVfull of scouts? Get LAV, shove full of logis, attack obby, revive dead logis wash rinse repeat.

The slower logi matters not, when you have 300 more HP, and can just use a LAV to get around that

I can have 1149hp on my Logi if I wanted to so it is a bit weird that it's a support class.

Anyway I hate it when scrubs stack like 700+ armour on their logi just so they can run away, get shot in the back
and compensate for a severe lack of gun game.

Thats not even true in this case, a logi can easily take down an assault. Its impossible for an assault to have anywhere near the utility of 3+ equipment slots with a single equipment.

And this game kinda does force assaults to only assault, the lack of equipment means we mostly use our gun game while logi can both gun and support. If assaults had 2 equipment slots then it would make more sense in that both suits are capable of playing the support and offensive roles.

Yeah how dare we lgoi's try to survive while reppping people and reviving them and supplying. We should just die when a assault suit or heavy even looks at us

Or make dmg mods draw more CPU/PG from Logi suits or just giving a higher stacking penalty then other suits.

You proved a few of my points, the healer can stay back if he or she wants but if the Logi. wants to help fight off the enemy because they're needed to do so immediately or if your in PC or FW for example healing back where it's safe isn't going to happen or because the Logi. want to be on the frontline to aid in pushing back the enemy & healing those on the frontline immediately for needed WP then they should be able to do so, also if people can guard they're Logi. why don't they everyone including the enemy knows what a Logi. looks like he's in full GOLD consider that deeply, Also they do suicidal heal runs probably for WP 60 WP per revive which can go towards a orbital if your on a squad

Then play a f*cking logi if you want to have that versatility!!

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If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

More slots does not always translate into more HP. First you have to have the CPU/PG to equip those modules. You are also forgetting that the Assault suits start with a higher base HP than Logis...that narrows your "gap" significantly.

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If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

I don't send hate mail.

Really because Tanks weren't broken in the past, or need I remind you when missile tanks controlled the map from one point, or Rail Tanks had 10m blast radius

give logis less module slots than assaults
problem solved

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

give logis less module slots than assaults
problem solved

I'd much prefer a sidearm only to that, that is exactly why I'm pushing for sidearm only because the only other alternative is HP or slot removal I think and I don't fancy being 1 grenade away from dying at all times.

Look if they want to change all logi suits to make it better reflect its role im ok with that, just know skilled killers will still be just that, and if your not one now......... Taking Jordans Nikes away wouldnt have kept him from going to the hole. And making me spec into the new best suit to kill you with wont stop you from dying. Bottom line is for all around play logi is the best suit out there and any idiot can see why, the problem is all the idiots that couldnt see why seem to have alot of time to type. Whos fault is it you picked a bad suit for your playstyle?

Ok and with your sidearm nerf what happens to the Amarr their genius?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread


Read this entirely.
Stop saying ideas one by one without why or how.....

What i say got sense i explain why it should be done.

I'd rather get restricted to sidearms than deal with that convoluted fitting system.

Exactly.

Just keep in mind both of those options are comparable to deciding on a punch to the face or a kick in the nuts.

I know, but HP or slot removal will just make us grenade or sniper fodder, trust me I don't want sidearms only but it seems to be better than HP or slot nerf and iv not seen any other proposals worth remembering.

This is why I'm fine with sidearm only rather than HP or slot nerf, my amarr logi would still be a combat oriented logi because I'd carry two smgs and I am worried about a nerf, so I'm pushing sidearm only because iv seen no other alternatives but slot or HP nerf, I'm asking for a small nerf to avoid a big one, I also propose assault lose their equipment slot so both are dependant on each other but assault would need a damage buff if that was the case.

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Or make dmg mods draw more CPU/PG from Logi suits or just giving a higher stacking penalty then other suits.

^ totally agreed.

Everything that made this game a good FPS has been stripped away by this casual mentality to the point that the core mechanics don't even accommodate what was supposed to make Dust different in the first place. At this rate, the damn game is going to wind up turn based.

I know, but HP or slot removal will just make us grenade or sniper fodder, trust me I don't want sidearms only but it seems to be better than HP or slot nerf and iv not seen any other proposals worth remembering.

Don't even try and deny the fact that the *modern* logistic suits are not conformist to their role. There is nothing in place preventing people from making super tank max damage suits, basically an assault suit that caters to a stronger flavor (a flavor where instead of versatile arms, a super strong single weapon)

There is nothing in place really stopping the Logistic SUIT from being a slayer suit rather than, well, a logistics role. The LLAV prevents people from having a super tanked-super damaging LAV, they got a damage nerf. They can still bring out any weapon an assault can, just not a sidearm with it. When you build a suit with high HP, innate armor repair, and damage mods you defeat the reward of a sidearm (unless maybe you have strong sidearm fu like the minmatar assaults) and moved ahead of assaults in slayer capabilities.

Really the role should match the suit.

People have told scouts that they shouldn't be running Frontline and stop asking for buffs. But no one's asked the Logis to stop playing assault until now? Seems mildly hypocritical; beat one frame back with remarks of staying within one's niche and then protesting that if a logistics outperforms assaults it's the assault's fault not the lack of limitations on a safety suit?

The problem here is that you have people who don't play a role telling another role what they should are shouldn't be doing. You have to remember that first and foremost, Dust is an FPS and in FPS we kill people. There's no Geneva convention to prevent someone from shooting at a logistics, at some point you;re going to have to defend yourself whether you like it or not. We all have guns, and we all kill people in one way or another while our "designed" role comes secondary because this game is an FPS first and an RPG second.
And to stop any speculation, I've been a Minmatar logi since Chromosome. I support by repairing, rezing, resupplying and rallying my team and shooting at reds when they don't need the previous.

I need the HP to use myself as a bullet shield while healing or reviving people, I guess hardly anyone does that.

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First of all, you were talking about medic, not combat medic. A combat medic can still stand behind his teamates and take pot shots at the guys his teamates are shooting at, he doesnt have to stand in the front line absorbing every shot . Some weapons have longer range than assault rifles, just sayin' .

Second of all, you didnt answer why your teamates are out in the open with zero cover for either you or your team? People that like to run out into the open and die going rambo are the people I dont even bother to heal simply because if I go after him, I'll likely die healing him and cause the whole team to fail in the process. I have no problem finding cover to heal my teamates while avoiding the direct line of fire. Sure if you want to be bullet sponge for your teamates, then be my guest.

When I said suicidal heal runs, I didnt mean suicide revs, I meant standing literally inches to a foot to heal a teamate thats out in the open. You have a 10-15m leesh, use it. I think all players can agree its pretty stupid to run into a hotzone to rev a guy that would die before he even sees the light of day while you get gunned down right next to him. If by some miracle of light that your squad had 2440 wp and you needed that last 60 for an OB, then by all means, jump on it.

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Assault still assaults better.

Summary : Please CCP tell people how to play the game and take away their ability to enjoy it their way... and while your at it next week when that heavy with the laser rifle kills me ill ***** that heavies should have to carry FG's and HMG's only cause that's how I think it should be.

Summary : Please CCP tell people how to play the game and take away their ability to enjoy it their way... and while your at it next week when that heavy with the laser rifle kills me ill ***** that heavies should have to carry FG's and HMG's only cause that's how I think it should be.