DUST Search - How to fix the "Slayer Logi"

CharCharOdell wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"

Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Blacklist me? Lol. OK. Consider me blacklisted and basically everyone who had over 15mil SP in 1.0 that elected callogi.

Honestly, if you think that the extra 80HP on a logi vs assault makes a difference, especially when you account for a better shield rep, sidearm, and speed, you're high.

Most assault logi use mass drivers because the assault suit can't carry enough hives to feed our weapon (Sir Man Boy and Reiselia)

So what is your problem? You're afraid of a nerf? You think logis should only be allowed to carry rep tools in the light slot? Why FOTM you make one specific suit for every weapon, while you're at it and turn this game into Battlefield 514.

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Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1204	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 3833	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:35:00 - [2] - Quote Send me hate mail!!! <3
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 474	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:35:00 - [3] - Quote If you think like that, then I move that everyone in Dust 514 uses Nova Knifing heavies.
Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 248	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:37:00 - [4] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: If you think like that, then I move that everyone in Dust 514 uses Nova Knifing heavies. Your logic is unsound but I support your cause. Slow knife fights for everyone!!
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 524	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:37:00 - [5] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! kinda like how all the cod scrubs crying and whining made tanks extinct ?
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1204	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:37:00 - [6] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Send me hate mail!!! <3 I don't send hate mail.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:42:00 - [7] - Quote Alternatively, CCP could just fix the logo suit and/or assault suit.
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1176	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:42:00 - [8] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! kinda like how all the cod scrubs crying and whining made tanks extinct ? history repeats itself learn from your errors humans muwahahaha Really because Tanks weren't broken in the past, or need I remind you when missile tanks controlled the map from one point, or Rail Tanks had 10m blast radius
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1258	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:58:00 - [9] - Quote Or make dmg mods draw more CPU/PG from Logi suits or just giving a higher stacking penalty then other suits.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 278	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote u still havent explained why if u keep all the equip slots the same a caldari logi cant be a logi with 3 highs 2 lows and 350 cpu and 78 pg, the gallente cant with 2-3 and 390 and 78 pg , the minny with 4-1 390 and 78 pg and and the amarr cant with 2-2, 390 cpu and 72 pg. thats one less than the assault of the same class and its plenty.

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 160	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:12:00 - [11] - Quote IT's the FRACKING AR PEOPLE. Think of the commando, the only way to run it right is to think to oneself 'what weapons DON'T need damage mods?' Swarms, shotguns, AR's, sniper rifles, maybe single fire scrambler rifles. The problem is in fact the utter domination over everything the AR provides. On my tanker character, i use my gallente starter medic to make isk, and i can SNIPE people at 80+ meters reliably, against lasers? Just go to 90.6 meters and out DpS them, against scrambler rifles? Just go to a nice 25-30 meters and hipfire like a boss. Find someone with a sniper at around 200-300meters? Just sprint towards them and zigzag turn, throw in hops for flash/randomness. Close gap to at least 120m and then stand still and burst 10-15 shots, release trigger and reapply within next .2 seconds. That is with MLT ar, no weaponry skills, and armor lv2 woth plating/repair at 1. The problem here is the utter own AR dishes out.
CrotchGrab 360 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 351	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:22:00 - [12] - Quote I can have 1149hp on my Logi if I wanted to so it is a bit weird that it's a support class. Anyway I hate it when scrubs stack like 700+ armour on their logi just so they can run away, get shot in the back and compensate for a severe lack of gun game.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 148	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:32:00 - [13] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: If you think like that, then I move that everyone in Dust 514 uses Nova Knifing heavies. Second!
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1274	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:33:00 - [14] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! Blacklist me? Lol. OK. Consider me blacklisted and basically everyone who had over 15mil SP in 1.0 that elected callogi. Honestly, if you think that the extra 80HP on a logi vs assault makes a difference, especially when you account for a better shield rep, sidearm, and speed, you're high. Most assault logi use mass drivers because the assault suit can't carry enough hives to feed our weapon (Sir Man Boy and Reiselia) So what is your problem? You're afraid of a nerf? You think logis should only be allowed to carry rep tools in the light slot? Why FOTM you make one specific suit for every weapon, while you're at it and turn this game into Battlefield 514.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1274	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! kinda like how all the cod scrubs crying and whining made tanks extinct ? history repeats itself learn from your errors humans muwahahaha Really because Tanks weren't broken in the past, or need I remind you when missile tanks controlled the map from one point, or Rail Tanks had 10m blast radius Well that WAS broken but they're broken now, too. Chrome had it right, but capacitors would be even better.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 865	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:40:00 - [16] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! Obviously this doesn't apply to amarr Logis although I have a medic fit, combat logi fit and heavy hugger fit. Heavy huggers my fav, 801 armour 217 shield, injector, rep tool and hives with an ishukone SMG, I rarely get to use it though.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1204	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:41:00 - [17] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! Blacklist me? Lol. OK. Consider me blacklisted and basically everyone who had over 15mil SP in 1.0 that elected callogi. Honestly, if you think that the extra 80HP on a logi vs assault makes a difference, especially when you account for a better shield rep, sidearm, and speed, you're high. Most assault logi use mass drivers because the assault suit can't carry enough hives to feed our weapon (Sir Man Boy and Reiselia) So what is your problem? You're afraid of a nerf? You think logis should only be allowed to carry rep tools in the light slot? Why FOTM you make one specific suit for every weapon, while you're at it and turn this game into Battlefield 514. LOL calm down there, this doesn't reflect my own opinions. Personally I couldn't care less how you fit your suit. No, I don't think Logis need to be nerfed, that's kinda the point of this thread. People are crying because "logis make better assaults than assaults"...My point is, if they don't like it, do something about it other than cry for a nerf! That's why I said Quote: stop trying to nerf the Logi suits Seriously, did you just look at the thread title then post?
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1270	Posted - 2013.10.24 18:51:00 - [18] - Quote Normalize the hi and low slots between assault and logi suits. Replace current blanket bonus (Passive armor rep) with something that actually pertains to logi'ing (Equipment effiecency, CPU and PG reduction) as to make up for less slots for CPU and PG mods. The two suits should be equals in EHP(one or two AR bullets difference) with sidearms, and equipment being the main difference between the two. BTW, logis move MARGINALLY slower then assaults of the same level.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1597	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:22:00 - [19] - Quote Logi is a niche point defense suit, not all that great for slaying.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 548	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:24:00 - [20] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Normalize the hi and low slots between assault and logi suits. Replace current blanket bonus (Passive armor rep) with something that actually pertains to logi'ing (Equipment effiecency, CPU and PG reduction) as to make up for less slots for CPU and PG mods. The two suits should be equals in EHP(one or two AR bullets difference) with sidearms, and equipment being the main difference between the two. BTW, logis move MARGINALLY slower then assaults of the same level. They already are only 1 or 2 AR bolts away from having equal max health. The stupid "Logi>Assault" myth is wrong, plain and simple. Also, the max health argument is stupid too, Minny suits have the lowest possible max health, but Minny Assault suits make some of the best assault suits. Do you know why they make some of the best assault suits? They move fast. EHP isn't everything.

Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1598	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:26:00 - [21] - Quote This game is about making your own choices, if you want to be a heavy with two sets of nova knives...well then that is how you play your role. Or if you want to be a heavy with a thales sniper and wear four complex armor plates...that is also your choice. This game doesn't force you into confines of roles. Be a slayer that behaves like a medic. Or be a medic that behaves like a slayer.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 322	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:32:00 - [22] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: BLACKLIST THEM If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame" Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct! kinda like how all the cod scrubs crying and whining made tanks extinct ? history repeats itself learn from your errors humans muwahahaha Really because Tanks weren't broken in the past, or need I remind you when missile tanks controlled the map from one point, or Rail Tanks had 10m blast radius Well that WAS broken but they're broken now, too. Chrome had it right, but capacitors would be even better. Chrome had it far from right.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1084	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:34:00 - [23] - Quote Give all suits bonuses and each tier up gets an additional bonus. Tweak the bonuses so that they are more geared towards the role the suit is intended. Let's not forget that this is a sandbox style fps so all play styles are valid. Just because we don't agree with the fit doesn't mean it should be nerfed.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 737	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:35:00 - [24] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: This game doesn't force you into confines of roles. Be a slayer that behaves like a medic. Or be a medic that behaves like a slayer. Thats not even true in this case, a logi can easily take down an assault. Its impossible for an assault to have anywhere near the utility of 3+ equipment slots with a single equipment. And this game kinda does force assaults to only assault, the lack of equipment means we mostly use our gun game while logi can both gun and support. If assaults had 2 equipment slots then it would make more sense in that both suits are capable of playing the support and offensive roles.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1598	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:37:00 - [25] - Quote To be honest its the built in armor rep that makes tanking so effective in the logi suits. Give it to everyone or no one. I can't armor tank in my standard amarr assault, but in my amarr logi i get two low slows in which I can fit armor plates and not worry about a repper.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 548	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:39:00 - [26] - Quote Give every Logi suit 5 equipment slots, take away the assault equipment slot, make rep tools work at 100+ m, and give us even more HP... Then we'll talk about being reduced to sidearms only.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 867	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:46:00 - [27] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: To be honest its the built in armor rep that makes tanking so effective in the logi suits. Give it to everyone or no one. I can't armor tank in my standard amarr assault, but in my amarr logi i get two low slows in which I can fit armor plates and not worry about a repper. No, had that problem in chrome where a squad of assaults with two equipment slots each made Logis obsolete almost, also if assault got two equipment slots Logis would logi a lot less, there'd be no need for it.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 867	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:49:00 - [28] - Quote I said this on another thread that if you want logi more defined to a support role then sure sidearms only but that would only be fair if assault were more defined in their role by losing their equipment slot.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6655	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:52:00 - [29] - Quote Bonuses should enforce roles https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=112226 , but fitting should allow us to go beyond that role. Assaults should be better at assaulting, logis should be better at handling equipment, scouts should be better at stealth/detection and speed, sentinels should be best at being tanky, and commandos should be best at handling light weapons, but they shouldn't be only limited to their respective roles. Its perfectly ok for assaults to carry equipment, just like its ok for for logis to be good slayers, just like its ok for heavies to be good snipers, or glass cannon AR scouts assaulting from the shadows. This thread is ridiculous. People can start "blacklisting" anyone for using any fit they don't like, what if a group of people don't like assaults with injectors?
Vinsarrow New Eden Blades Of The Azure 16	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:08:00 - [30] - Quote XD you are ridiculous make the Logi's the obvious medic's on the feild in full GOLD colored fittings weaker so the enemy can say "THEIRS THE MEDIC, TAKE HIM DOWN" & the mdeic being sad on HP because you demanded a NERF gets killed in seconds. If you recall Logi's at the beginning had only 1 weapon slot & weren't too greatly.... editable now they're stronger & can fight off the enemy who wants a Medic with Minmitar Scout 77 Armor & 100 some sheild, 3 module slots, & 1 weapon slot umm no one LOL



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