Ok and with your sidearm nerf what happens to the Amarr their genius?

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Stop saying ideas one by one without why or how.....

What i say got sense i explain why it should be done.

I'd rather get restricted to sidearms than deal with that convoluted fitting system.

Exactly.

Just keep in mind both of those options are comparable to deciding on a punch to the face or a kick in the nuts.

I know, but HP or slot removal will just make us grenade or sniper fodder, trust me I don't want sidearms only but it seems to be better than HP or slot nerf and iv not seen any other proposals worth remembering.

This is why I'm fine with sidearm only rather than HP or slot nerf, my amarr logi would still be a combat oriented logi because I'd carry two smgs and I am worried about a nerf, so I'm pushing sidearm only because iv seen no other alternatives but slot or HP nerf, I'm asking for a small nerf to avoid a big one, I also propose assault lose their equipment slot so both are dependant on each other but assault would need a damage buff if that was the case.

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Ill live with whatever the idiots at ccp do, but let me be clear, I support NO NERFS ever of any kind, this game has gone in damn circles since ive been playing it with nerfs and buffs and ultimately whats called balancing is simply response to crying, like a mother picking up her baby to put it on the tit when it cries, eventually you have to put it down and eventually it will cry again, until it, GROWS UP, gets a pair and learns how to shoot. The reason these posts exist is because so many of you simply suck at this game, I know I know you never died in Eve, flying around in your ship mining ore, look for little space boys to abduct. Heres a great solution, look in the mirror and ask yourself, am I over 30? If the answer is yes and your on here crying about logis understand the problem is you, this game requires more reflex than you developed jumping around on mushrooms with mario and his green gay lover, and btw if your girlfriend isnt home occasionally salvaging your ship for you, and you dont know what muscles the incline bench vs decline work, you probably are not, working with alot in the way of testosterone, you might try and see if that helps your gun game, bring that fast twitch muscle fiber online...........

Or make dmg mods draw more CPU/PG from Logi suits or just giving a higher stacking penalty then other suits.

^ totally agreed.

Everything that made this game a good FPS has been stripped away by this casual mentality to the point that the core mechanics don't even accommodate what was supposed to make Dust different in the first place. At this rate, the damn game is going to wind up turn based.

I know, but HP or slot removal will just make us grenade or sniper fodder, trust me I don't want sidearms only but it seems to be better than HP or slot nerf and iv not seen any other proposals worth remembering.

Don't even try and deny the fact that the *modern* logistic suits are not conformist to their role. There is nothing in place preventing people from making super tank max damage suits, basically an assault suit that caters to a stronger flavor (a flavor where instead of versatile arms, a super strong single weapon)

There is nothing in place really stopping the Logistic SUIT from being a slayer suit rather than, well, a logistics role. The LLAV prevents people from having a super tanked-super damaging LAV, they got a damage nerf. They can still bring out any weapon an assault can, just not a sidearm with it. When you build a suit with high HP, innate armor repair, and damage mods you defeat the reward of a sidearm (unless maybe you have strong sidearm fu like the minmatar assaults) and moved ahead of assaults in slayer capabilities.

Really the role should match the suit.

People have told scouts that they shouldn't be running Frontline and stop asking for buffs. But no one's asked the Logis to stop playing assault until now? Seems mildly hypocritical; beat one frame back with remarks of staying within one's niche and then protesting that if a logistics outperforms assaults it's the assault's fault not the lack of limitations on a safety suit?

The problem here is that you have people who don't play a role telling another role what they should are shouldn't be doing. You have to remember that first and foremost, Dust is an FPS and in FPS we kill people. There's no Geneva convention to prevent someone from shooting at a logistics, at some point you;re going to have to defend yourself whether you like it or not. We all have guns, and we all kill people in one way or another while our "designed" role comes secondary because this game is an FPS first and an RPG second.
And to stop any speculation, I've been a Minmatar logi since Chromosome. I support by repairing, rezing, resupplying and rallying my team and shooting at reds when they don't need the previous.

I need the HP to use myself as a bullet shield while healing or reviving people, I guess hardly anyone does that.

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First of all, you were talking about medic, not combat medic. A combat medic can still stand behind his teamates and take pot shots at the guys his teamates are shooting at, he doesnt have to stand in the front line absorbing every shot . Some weapons have longer range than assault rifles, just sayin' .

Second of all, you didnt answer why your teamates are out in the open with zero cover for either you or your team? People that like to run out into the open and die going rambo are the people I dont even bother to heal simply because if I go after him, I'll likely die healing him and cause the whole team to fail in the process. I have no problem finding cover to heal my teamates while avoiding the direct line of fire. Sure if you want to be bullet sponge for your teamates, then be my guest.

When I said suicidal heal runs, I didnt mean suicide revs, I meant standing literally inches to a foot to heal a teamate thats out in the open. You have a 10-15m leesh, use it. I think all players can agree its pretty stupid to run into a hotzone to rev a guy that would die before he even sees the light of day while you get gunned down right next to him. If by some miracle of light that your squad had 2440 wp and you needed that last 60 for an OB, then by all means, jump on it.

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

BLACKLIST THEM

If you don't like logis who fit their suit for Max HP and DPS, can their ass! Send the message that a Logi is supposed to support by using the "metagame"


Stop trying to nerf the Logi Suit because scrub players need to lean on any crutch they can find to get kills. In doing so, you would make us Logis who actually do play support go extinct!

Assault still assaults better.

Summary : Please CCP tell people how to play the game and take away their ability to enjoy it their way... and while your at it next week when that heavy with the laser rifle kills me ill ***** that heavies should have to carry FG's and HMG's only cause that's how I think it should be.

Summary : Please CCP tell people how to play the game and take away their ability to enjoy it their way... and while your at it next week when that heavy with the laser rifle kills me ill ***** that heavies should have to carry FG's and HMG's only cause that's how I think it should be.