As an Amarr Logi, I can tell you the sidearm argument is not weak. Sidearms vastly increased killing capabilities. Most people (Assaults) just use MLT ones though, so they think sidearms suck. SMGs are just as good at killing as an Assault Rifle if you actually spend skill points on them.

That is 1/4 of the logistic suits. And you are right it is a Combat Oriented Suit. The people who are using the G's, M's, and C's in terms of damage application; in a perfect world should be using the amarr suit, that is what it is there for. But they look at it and say "If I don't care for a sidearm but still want to play assault then these other suits would fit me better because they will take my Light Weapon damage and tanking abilities to a higher level than if I was to be 'gimped' with a sidearm"

I personally think sidearms are great but Light Weapons are in fact a step up.

I'd support Logis having sidearms only if assault lost the equipment slot, even my amarr logi having sidearm only is fine for me.

If you want Logis to be more defined in their role so should assault, you must know how's fking annoying it is to have an assault start repping someone when your stood there in a bright yellow suit lol.

That said, we are comparing the assault role and logi role and there are some other areas of the battlefield that would be effected. For example, Snipers need to be pretty self sufficient as they are normally a long way away from support. Carrying hives, uplink, and proximity remotes to give them some security is a pretty logical and practical idea.

A logi is a role, not a lesser soldier, deal with it.

If you think logi can be better at assault than assault, your either.

A- sht
B- not using a suit the matches your playstyle
C- not fitting your suit right
D- not that good a player
E- you just want it easy

Pick one.

I cannot believe some of the posts i've been reading. Side arms only? Logis making better assaults?... no just no. I don't deny that many have experience and truly have thought out their arguments but these arguments forget to consider many other perspectives and facts about suit limitations.

Assault classes as a whole benefit from greater base stats overall - other than the CPU/PG inherent to the logis.
We are speaking to speed, hp (shields & armor), stamina, smaller hitboxes, sidearms, etc. Meaning that all skill increases that affect such values will result in greater benefits than a logi would be able to have. This ensures that at before we even begin building a suit the Assault class is a better foundation. (this was covered in a thread long ago) Putting the same modules on a logi that one puts on an assault will always end up with a better assault - there is no competition with the base stats.

A logistics suit can out perform an Assault in some focused instances - building it specifically for one purpose or another, but so can the Assault, but make them equip the same modules and the logi will lose. So, taking different fits and comparing them of course any suit can be comparatively better than another, but never can they be on even ground. The equipment is what sets them apart. And even then the equipment is available to all. There is not logi specific equipment that no other can access and neither are their weapons that only assaults can access. The only question is what will you give to get what you want.

Most logis go for defense and sacrifice a great weapon for better equipment - that is not always the case, but it is the logibro way. Assaults could too... but it is counterproductive. They go for the better weapon usually. When a logi goes for a better weapon he will sacrifice equipment, and only have his modules protecting him because every part of him will be less than an Assaults basic birthright. His modules may let him excel in one or two areas but if an assault does the same it will come down to gun game. If he goes for shields his speed, armor and stamina still suck. If he goes for speed it is based of his basic beginning values and takes double the amount it would take for an assault to get the same benefit.

We all pay a price. Learn to specialize. That some people were able to learn that what they wanted was best accomplished with a logi only gives credit to their research, and when last I looked at the end of match boards I have only seen logis lead in WP every now and then. Kills still favor the assaults, heavys, and tankers.... So, why again are you complaining OP?

Only noobs talk this level of crap, what's your excuse?

Dont like this - a weapon is a weapon is a weapon plus they are already deprived a sidearm (except Amaar)

A better way (though it cant actually work) would be locking out proficiencies for classes and doing away with damage mods.

Assaults could get proficiency on weapons, Heavies get proficiency on Heavy Weapons, Scouts and Logis get efficacies on certain modules and equipment.

Handheld upgrades or whatever its called unlocks weapon customizations which would be scopes, silencers, stabilizers etc

Just musing.

Edit: And yes I know that means that some classes may get a buff on damage but at least they have to work for it per weapon. You could also dial it back to 2% so it will only be 10% overall but I think 15% is better than facing someone with 3 damage mods and prof Lv 3+

It bothers me!

Just want to point out, it's a logistic suit aka a support suit, not an assault suit. So why is it designed like an assault suit.

Too defend against other assaults while repping and reviving others?

Nerf their damage by 25%. I don't mind that they can tank so much if it is so they won't die so they can help you, but if they are just an improved assault suit then that's just poor game design. However even with a damage nerf they can still bring it back up with damage mods but they just have to sacrifice the slots, I have no problem with that.

Less High/Low slots seems better.

This is why I propose sidearm only and seen as you have been here longer than I have you will appreciate an ishukone SMG with prof 5 or a scr pistol and soonGäó another SMG and pistol are coming.

Dont like this - a weapon is a weapon is a weapon plus they are already deprived a sidearm (except Amaar)

A better way (though it cant actually work) would be locking out proficiencies for classes and doing away with damage mods.

Assaults could get proficiency on weapons, Heavies get proficiency on Heavy Weapons, Scouts and Logis get efficacies on certain modules and equipment.

Handheld upgrades or whatever its called unlocks weapon customizations which would be scopes, silencers, stabilizers etc

Just musing.

Edit: And yes I know that means that some classes may get a buff on damage but at least they have to work for it per weapon. You could also dial it back to 2% so it will only be 10% overall but I think 15% is better than facing someone with 3 damage mods and prof Lv 3+

I steamrolled most players back on Chromosone with a Balac's MRN-30 SMG, keeping sidearm only won't solve the issue and what will also happen to Amarr logi?

I steamrolled most players back on Chromosone with a Balac's MRN-30 SMG, keeping sidearm only won't solve the issue and what will also happen to Amarr logi?

Nerf their damage by 25%. I don't mind that they can tank so much if it is so they won't die so they can help you, but if they are just an improved assault suit then that's just poor game design. However even with a damage nerf they can still bring it back up with damage mods but they just have to sacrifice the slots, I have no problem with that.

Are you cray cray? Must be cray cray. That is WAY too much, you've just gimped the Logi class sir.

Nothing needs to be touched, you Assaults are faster than all the Logi's, that is a HUGE +.

Are you cray cray? Must be cray cray. That is WAY too much, you've just gimped the Logi class sir.

Nothing needs to be touched, you Assaults are faster than all the Logi's, that is a HUGE +.

Sidearm idea works for me

Oh STFU already.

So does that mean you're not okay with the damage reduction on LLV's and LDS's?