DUST Search - simple fix to logis

Cosgar wrote:

@Bojo (Multiple quotes kills my phone)

Then it doesn't really fix anything, especially since most sidearms are better than their light (and even heavy) counterparts anyway. The issue here is that people are looking for a fix to an issue that isn't an issue. Even if a logi ignores their equipment to fit as much tank as possible, they're nothing more than an extra tanky, more expensive, slower assault without a sidearm.

This whole mess started with the CaLogi, which in essence was OP. It had the ability to fill just about every role on the field with its racial bonus, superior slot layout, and insane CPU/PG pool. There was still a significant armor/shield imbalance at the time, which didn't help either. The CaLogi has long since been nerfed (arguably too hard) but the community still carries on about these killer banana men and most of which can't even explain why outside of the getting bested in a fight.

This issue of a non issue carries in because of mental gymnastics by players tha can't admit someone might be better at them at an FPS. I die to assaults all the time but I don't come on the forums crying that their suit is OP because the clothes don't make the man.

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Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2248	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:26:00 - [61] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? I realized that there is one key issue with the Sidearm only and that is that there aren't very many sidearms right now, it would have to wait for other SMG's and Pistols to come out. But I would fear more the Logi with a Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol
Sleepy Zan Sumar Gorp 2616	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:27:00 - [62] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? ...........yes
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1563	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:37:00 - [63] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? Nope, I'd like to see a damage debuff and something to make Damage mods harder to fit onto a Logi...
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 163	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:39:00 - [64] - Quote I honestly don't care about not having a light slot, as i use a scrambler pisol anyways, but i'm also not a frontline rep logi. I'm a scoutly RE scanner logi. Others probably would care TBH. A grenade is a great way to keep the enemy on that side of the corner while you rez, but what it also is good for, is nade spam. that is a problem iMO. Make nades 2 across all locuses, and make their splash somewhat homogenous. Having a 50% increase from std to pro in blast radius is a pain, along with the 200+% increase in damge.
Cosgar ParagonX 6473	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:41:00 - [65] - Quote @Bojo (Multiple quotes kills my phone) Then it doesn't really fix anything, especially since most sidearms are better than their light (and even heavy) counterparts anyway. The issue here is that people are looking for a fix to an issue that isn't an issue. Even if a logi ignores their equipment to fit as much tank as possible, they're nothing more than an extra tanky, more expensive, slower assault without a sidearm. This whole mess started with the CaLogi, which in essence was OP. It had the ability to fill just about every role on the field with its racial bonus, superior slot layout, and insane CPU/PG pool. There was still a significant armor/shield imbalance at the time, which didn't help either. The CaLogi has long since been nerfed (arguably too hard) but the community still carries on about these killer banana men and most of which can't even explain why outside of the getting bested in a fight. This issue of a non issue carries in because of mental gymnastics by players tha can't admit someone might be better at them at an FPS. I die to assaults all the time but I don't come on the forums crying that their suit is OP because the clothes don't make the man.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2343	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:46:00 - [66] - Quote Cosgar wrote: @Bojo (Multiple quotes kills my phone) Then it doesn't really fix anything, especially since most sidearms are better than their light (and even heavy) counterparts anyway. The issue here is that people are looking for a fix to an issue that isn't an issue. Even if a logi ignores their equipment to fit as much tank as possible, they're nothing more than an extra tanky, more expensive, slower assault without a sidearm. This whole mess started with the CaLogi, which in essence was OP. It had the ability to fill just about every role on the field with its racial bonus, superior slot layout, and insane CPU/PG pool. There was still a significant armor/shield imbalance at the time, which didn't help either. The CaLogi has long since been nerfed (arguably too hard) but the community still carries on about these killer banana men and most of which can't even explain why outside of the getting bested in a fight. This issue of a non issue carries in because of mental gymnastics by players tha can't admit someone might be better at them at an FPS. I die to assaults all the time but I don't come on the forums crying that their suit is OP because the clothes don't make the man. This is so true. The specter of the OP Cal Logi haunts us to this day.
Cosgar ParagonX 6473	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:46:00 - [67] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? ...........yes Just so you know, I use SMGs in my logi already over ARs. I don't do it all the time because I don't have to. Be careful if what you wish for.
Cosgar ParagonX 6474	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:50:00 - [68] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? Nope, I'd like to see a damage debuff and something to make Damage mods harder to fit onto a Logi... So what are you proposing? Damage mod penalty for logis? I can live with that if asses get an equipment penalty.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 433	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:59:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim wrote: Um NO! It's my suit and I should be able to do what I want with it! I don't see what the problem with my logistics is. Low Base HP No Sidearm We already made a sacrifice. Do you know how weak weapons are without proficency? A logi can do both assualt and medic? SO F***ING WHAT? STOP QQing, grab a gun, and kill things! How is it a QQ. I responded to the Op with a better way imo to align bonuses to promote what the classes should do while removing a major part of the issue CCP is having with balancing weapons. Now your suit is your suit - then why did you pick logi over assault ??? Talk to the Op not me
Sleepy Zan Sumar Gorp 2617	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:19:00 - [70] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Sidearm idea works for me Do you really wan every logi to run around with Ishukone ASMGs? ...........yes Just so you know, I use SMGs in my logi already over ARs. I don't do it all the time because I don't have to. Be careful if what you wish for. I've used the ishukeone asmg since there was an ishukeone asmg, I know what I'm doing

Sleepy Zan Sumar Gorp 2617	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:25:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: Um NO! It's my suit and I should be able to do what I want with it! I don't see what the problem with my logistics is. Low Base HP No Sidearm We already made a sacrifice. Do you know how weak weapons are without proficency? A logi can do both assualt and medic? SO F***ING WHAT? STOP QQing, grab a gun, and kill things! Careful young one. Defensiveness leads to QQ, QQ leads to butthurt. You walk a sad lonely path.


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