So if you look at the LLAV that's what Sleepy Zan wants....right?

Honestly not a bad idea if Logis get more base HP....we did have a Callogi epidemic once before

Also the sidearm argument is kind of a weak one....sidearms can be powerful but let's be realistic, it's a 20 meter weapon at most.

Note: I never said I agreed with Sleepy

I think it should be pretty easy to balance dropsuits as a whole, allowing dropsuits to be more specialized and logis to be less one size fits all, while also cuting down on grenade/uplink/nano spam.

1) Logis should get no grenade slot.

2) Assaults should have no equipment slot.

And so on from there.This way there is way less grenade/uplink/nano spam, and logi's become less viable for the frontlines.

I think it should be pretty easy to balance dropsuits as a whole, allowing dropsuits to be more specialized and logis to be less one size fits all, while also cuting down on grenade/uplink/nano spam.

1) Logis should get no grenade slot.

2) Assaults should have no equipment slot.

And so on from there.This way there is way less grenade/uplink/nano spam, and logi's become less viable for the frontlines.

The killer logi died with the original CaLogi stats and bonus. What you see remaining are good FPS players that happen to play logistics. Stop blaming the suit and step your game up if you feel outclassed by a banana man.

Your Logi Suit has more slots than my Officer Balac's Assault Suit

Balanced much smh

The killer logi died with the original CaLogi stats and bonus. What you see remaining are good FPS players that happen to play logistics. Stop blaming the suit and step your game up if you feel outclassed by a banana man.

You know, I was going to abandon this thread, but I just have to respond to you.

You know the Commando suit?

Standard, Commando A-1.

No highs. No lows. No grenades. One equipment. Two lights.

Please never suggest anything about something having no slots. It's awful.

Yea, we already don't have a sidearm, now take our grenade as well.

It's gonna be kinda hard to rez/rep/resupply if I can't even defend myself.

Your Logi Suit has more slots than my Officer Balac's Assault Suit

Balanced much smh

So if you look at the LLAV that's what Sleepy Zan wants....right?

Honestly not a bad idea if Logis get more base HP....we did have a Callogi epidemic once before

Also the sidearm argument is kind of a weak one....sidearms can be powerful but let's be realistic, it's a 20 meter weapon at most.

Note: I never said I agreed with Sleepy

Dont like this - a weapon is a weapon is a weapon plus they are already deprived a sidearm (except Amaar)

A better way (though it cant actually work) would be locking out proficiencies for classes and doing away with damage mods.

Assaults could get proficiency on weapons, Heavies get proficiency on Heavy Weapons, Scouts and Logis get efficacies on certain modules and equipment.

Handheld upgrades or whatever its called unlocks weapon customizations which would be scopes, silencers, stabilizers etc

Just musing.

Edit: And yes I know that means that some classes may get a buff on damage but at least they have to work for it per weapon. You could also dial it back to 2% so it will only be 10% overall but I think 15% is better than facing someone with 3 damage mods and prof Lv 3+

Nerf their damage by 25%. I don't mind that they can tank so much if it is so they won't die so they can help you, but if they are just an improved assault suit then that's just poor game design. However even with a damage nerf they can still bring it back up with damage mods but they just have to sacrifice the slots, I have no problem with that.

A logi is a role, not a lesser soldier, deal with it.

If you think logi can be better at assault than assault, your either.

A- sht
B- not using a suit the matches your playstyle
C- not fitting your suit right
D- not that good a player
E- you just want it easy

Pick one.

He's not complaining he's saying that perhaps the dropsuit is a little too ambidextrous because there is no real limitation preventing the suit from being a different style of a Frontline suit.

For example; The LLAV has tons of health but a gimped turret, dissuading it from being an Attack Chary-Limbus. You don't have to spend CPU/PG on tanking all that much allowing you to expend it on Logistic Modules, thus persuading a Logistics role.

The LLAV has a Turret Limitation that prevents it from being as deadly as your run of the mill Assault built LAV (which are uncommon because sucka fools be foolin').

Now if you compare that set up to dropsuits you have this dastardly difference. You have Logistics being slower and weaker at base but can easily out tank Assaults. It does lose a sidearm but in terms of damage, that does not correlate because you can not use a Light weapon and a sidearm at the same time. The difference may be in versatility and reloads.

So basically the Logistics suit can be built around a Trench-Warfare state of mind, Tank and Damage Mods + Ammo. They can stack all the nanohives they want, damage applications the same as an Assault yet tank further. That's not a support built suit right there but it is well fitted for stand and deliver combat.

What sleepy is getting at is that the Tradeoffs of the logistic suit do not dissuade from going into a Damage oriented role rather than a support role, unlike the LLAV. It's good for a support role but equally good for an niche attack mentality (but when paired with ScR or AR it's combat versatility is not all that subpar to an Assault)

However I am not in agreement that a lone damage nerf to Logis is good.

He's not complaining he's saying that perhaps the dropsuit is a little too ambidextrous because there is no real limitation preventing the suit from being a different style of a Frontline suit.

For example; The LLAV has tons of health but a gimped turret, dissuading it from being an Attack Chary-Limbus. You don't have to spend CPU/PG on tanking all that much allowing you to expend it on Logistic Modules, thus persuading a Logistics role.

The LLAV has a Turret Limitation that prevents it from being as deadly as your run of the mill Assault built LAV (which are uncommon because sucka fools be foolin').

Now if you compare that set up to dropsuits you have this dastardly difference. You have Logistics being slower and weaker at base but can easily out tank Assaults. It does lose a sidearm but in terms of damage, that does not correlate because you can not use a Light weapon and a sidearm at the same time. The difference may be in versatility and reloads.

So basically the Logistics suit can be built around a Trench-Warfare state of mind, Tank and Damage Mods + Ammo. They can stack all the nanohives they want, damage applications the same as an Assault yet tank further. That's not a support built suit right there but it is well fitted for stand and deliver combat.

What sleepy is getting at is that the Tradeoffs of the logistic suit do not dissuade from going into a Damage oriented role rather than a support role, unlike the LLAV. It's good for a support role but equally good for an niche attack mentality (but when paired with ScR or AR it's combat versatility is not all that subpar to an Assault)

However I am not in agreement that a lone damage nerf to Logis is good.

I could see the option of limiting Logis to sidearm class weapons but I think that crimps the concept of developing your own style and role on the battlefield too much. Perhaps incentivizing the use of sidearms through class perks could help...you don't use the sidearm you get less optimization from the fit but it doesn't preclude you from using anything.

So if you look at the LLAV that's what Sleepy Zan wants....right?

Honestly not a bad idea if Logis get more base HP....we did have a Callogi epidemic once before

Also the sidearm argument is kind of a weak one....sidearms can be powerful but let's be realistic, it's a 20 meter weapon at most.

Note: I never said I agreed with Sleepy

And also what about the amarr logi, that's what I use, its supposed to be assault oriented.

Nerf their damage by 25%. I don't mind that they can tank so much if it is so they won't die so they can help you, but if they are just an improved assault suit then that's just poor game design. However even with a damage nerf they can still bring it back up with damage mods but they just have to sacrifice the slots, I have no problem with that.