This is the OP in a nutshell. The guy who's 30 minutes late for work.

If you really want to "Fix" redlining as you say it's broken, let's fix a few other issues first, such as MATCHMAKING. Just this morning, I was the only guy on my team using advanced gear, and the entire enemy team save for one or two people was in full proto. As in 800 armor, 500 shield proto. I brought out my Thales to try to give our guys a fighting chance, but I was the only person on our team who had a kill as we were forced into the redline and couldn't get out. I couldn't even sneak out and cap a CRU, because then I'd have four proto logis with Duovolles on me.

If you want to remove our last barrier of safety, then you need to have some consequences too. If you own all the Objectives for X amount of time, installations will eventually be swapped over to the redlined team. If they still can't make a cap a certain amount of time after the installations are given, the protostomping team will do half damage and take double damage. At this point of handicaps, the proto team will recieve double ISK reward, whether these measures help the other team make a comeback or not.

And if these measures do help a formerly redlined team win, the underdog team should get QUADRUPLE ISK reward, and perhaps double the SP they would have normally earned, as long as they've earned at least 25wp.

Good thread, minimal (but obligatory) level of trolling.

I can see this from both sides and it's a tough problem to solve. To that end, couple different options that might help:

1) I like the accelerated game end if you own all points and 75% of the opposing team is in their redline. Essentially just increase DPS to the enemy MCC when those conditions are met. If your team wins by redline...you get the "Flawless Victory" bonus, say +25% to ISK, WP, and Salvage.

2) Give a "emergency spawn point" option to the SL. This should function similar to how OBs work, essentially the MCC drops a CRU down for a last ditch attempt to break out of the redline position. It would be kinda neat if you could drop it like you do OBs (heck...it could be an alternate warbarge strike option). You could just have it AI controlled like the normal turret drops.

3) Shrink the redline down to the minimum amount possible just under the MCC or a secure ground base. The "redline" areas need not be connected...the theory would be those are critical areas covered by the MCC or something else that establishes the foothold the ground force is working from. This should give much more playable area back to both teams and gives snipers and counter snipers equal opportunity.

Those three options seem to be the easiest to fix and particularly when working together might achieve the desired effect. Ultimately you don't want to set the conditions for the a$$ whipping cost to be so high that it sheds players but you want to reward decisive victory.

i like some of these red line ideas except for the no WP, SP and ISK earned while in the red line (mostly because if the team is red lined). if nothing is gained in the red line, players would have to leave and that is good, but if pushed into the red line, people would have no incentive to actually play the match. and ending it early would cause them to gain nothing, resulting in why bother playing that match in the first place. i prefer a 50% reduction (or anything that isn't 100%) cost in WP, SP and ISK so they get something in return rather then nothing

Ccp isn't here to hold your hand while you skip through fields of daisies. This is new eden. Ending the match early is merciful enough, while still giving you wp for actions outside ooh the redline. The only people truly punished are those who never leave the red line.

I'd a team gets pushed into a redline they would still receive wp and sp for prior actions outside of the redline.

Get good? If you cant even break out of your redline, you deserve to get farmed.

so your saying if there was 1 good squad doing all the work trying to push out the redline they deserved to be shot because the rest of the team cant be bothered

i am going to call a spade a spade here and say that the OP has no other intention with this thread other than to be able to kick the opposing team while they're down by requesting CCP to enable his/her team to enter the enemy redline and wreck them even further

if you think i am being rash and jumping to conclusions or that i am assuming the worst out of him/her then allow me to shed light on why i believe his/her intentions are wicked and simply disguised as an honest complaint when the only complaint he/she has is the one thing
keeping the other team remotely safe from his/her proto stomping wrath

first off i will state that if his/her quarrel was with redline snipers he/she could simply order a precision strike like he/she has stated he'd/she'd do to redline campers throughout this entire thread
and if that wasn't an option at the moment he/she could pick up his/her own 100% free starter fit that CCP has provided him/her with and blow their face off if they where indeed that much of a nuisance to him/her
the only reason the latter would be an unacceptable counter to redline snipers is that the OP simply cannot do anything else but proto stomp weaklings or "newbies" and could not possibly stoop to their level of gear

secondly if you have pummeled the opposing team into the dust (pun intended) to such an extent that they refuse to even attempt to exit their redline not only is it the OP's fault for being such a merciless brute and hammering away at them
without hesitance but it is also the OP's fault for failing to fall back afterwards to let the opposition capture at least 1 objective
and continue the rest of the game as you where
this action requires a team effort and a great deal of mercy to do but if you are complaining that it's a bore to wait at the enemy's redline
shooting fish in a barrel so much that the "fish" decided to stop trying at all then perhaps if you try showing mercy to your foes
by falling back and letting them take at least 1 objective than surely they would capture said objective and perhaps even try
to push even further to capture another objective
thus restoring fun to the match

i am certain that your foes would crawl out of their redline if there wasn't 16 hostile mercenary's lined up napoleon style waiting to shoot them full of plasma

First: Yes, I have and will continue to do that, with OB's and my Kaalakiota rifles. However, hiding in the redline provides the advantage of not having people thrust nova knives into your back. There should be a penalty for that.


Second: I have had our squads pull back, or even give the other side a headstart. Result is all the same, once the other team changes to sniper fits they rarely go out and try to cap points.

It is not by being a brute. We play the game to WIN. This is not some ehonor competition where we slap each other with white gloves before we commence battle.

Nothing hurts my kdr more than players I can get to. Already this way we all won't sit there bored for 15 minutes. Besides you can't really q sync into pubs, matchmaking is broken.

Also quit hiding in the redline like a scrub. -10

No, No, No. Bad idea.

I don't have 1 sp put into sniping, but I have redlined teams and been redlined so I know that there are times where the only benefit to leaving the redzone is to watch your deaths pile up. Sure it speeds up the match so you can hopefully get into another without a team of proto, but I see no reason me, or anyone else, should be forced into a killzone just because you are pissed at a sniper actually doing his job. If you don't like it, take out your free sniper fit like I do and kill him yourself.

Everyone here may have leet skillz and swear they can't be pushed all the way back, but I guarantee you if it hasn't happened it will. And you would likely throw a fit if you were redlined at the end of a match and lost your reward up till that point (proto is expensive)........

On second thought, I would love to see someone I've been redline wasting disappear from the game entirely, losing all they earned trying to break out. Puts griefing on a whole new level, and gives prototrolls another way to ruin the noob experience.

Great suggestion OP.

ZERO sp over time for being in the redzone

It says you get isk and sp over time for being in the battle, the redzone is not in the battle

Who cares if players can get Warpoints in the redzone those only account for 10-20% of the rewards earned in the battle. There is a reason it wasn't an issue because the beta ended.

i couldnt agree more.... sittin in the redline is such a ***** way of playing.... same goes for tower snipers, forgers, and tankers

Then they would forfeit wp earned out side of the redline as well. There has to be some form of punishment for scrubs who hide behind their redline.

-- snip scrub QQ and my insult to said Kitten --
Another worthless troll desperately clinging to their easy mode for sniping.

If youre redlined it probably has something to do with half your team sniping from under the mcc where they cant be reached. Im fine with the red line, but dont think you should be able to hide behind it where noone can sneak up on you.

Reward 0 wp, sp and kills for all actions taki.g place within the redline. Failure to leave the redline after 3 minutes boots you from the match for failing to fulfill the contract.

Come at me with the tears scrubs.