Reward 0 wp, sp and kills for all actions taki.g place within the redline. Failure to leave the redline after 3 minutes boots you from the match for failing to fulfill the contract.

Come at me with the tears scrubs.

No, No, No. Bad idea.

I don't have 1 sp put into sniping, but I have redlined teams and been redlined so I know that there are times where the only benefit to leaving the redzone is to watch your deaths pile up. Sure it speeds up the match so you can hopefully get into another without a team of proto, but I see no reason me, or anyone else, should be forced into a killzone just because you are pissed at a sniper actually doing his job. If you don't like it, take out your free sniper fit like I do and kill him yourself.

Everyone here may have leet skillz and swear they can't be pushed all the way back, but I guarantee you if it hasn't happened it will. And you would likely throw a fit if you were redlined at the end of a match and lost your reward up till that point (proto is expensive)........

On second thought, I would love to see someone I've been redline wasting disappear from the game entirely, losing all they earned trying to break out. Puts griefing on a whole new level, and gives prototrolls another way to ruin the noob experience.

Great suggestion OP.

Reward 0 wp, sp and kills for all actions taki.g place within the redline. Failure to leave the redline after 3 minutes boots you from the match for failing to fulfill the contract.

Come at me with the tears scrubs.

Reward 0 wp, sp and kills for all actions taki.g place within the redline. Failure to leave the redline after 3 minutes boots you from the match for failing to fulfill the contract.

Come at me with the tears scrubs.

No, No, No. Bad idea.

I don't have 1 sp put into sniping, but I have redlined teams and been redlined so I know that there are times where the only benefit to leaving the redzone is to watch your deaths pile up. Sure it speeds up the match so you can hopefully get into another without a team of proto, but I see no reason me, or anyone else, should be forced into a killzone just because you are pissed at a sniper actually doing his job. If you don't like it, take out your free sniper fit like I do and kill him yourself.

Everyone here may have leet skillz and swear they can't be pushed all the way back, but I guarantee you if it hasn't happened it will. And you would likely throw a fit if you were redlined at the end of a match and lost your reward up till that point (proto is expensive)........

On second thought, I would love to see someone I've been redline wasting disappear from the game entirely, losing all they earned trying to break out. Puts griefing on a whole new level, and gives prototrolls another way to ruin the noob experience.

Great suggestion OP.

I have yet to see a anti-redline thread that makes any sense or gives even a semi-coherent argument.

Do you even know why the redline was introduced in the first place?

Are you aware that the objective of the Skirmish and Domination game modes is "destroy enemy MCC", not "stomp the losing team into oblivion and make their defeat even more bitter by depriving them of WP, SP, and ISK"?

The only semi-legitimate issue regarding redline is the sniping issue. Sniper will, by the nature of their role, always try to find a position that is secluded, elevated and hard to get to. Redline area offers some or all of those attributes, some maps better than others. What you're proposing basically forces the sniper to choose a less optimal position, or forfeit the reward for his job. Speaking from personal experience, most times I get taken out as a sniper, I get taken out by another sniper. Regardless of whether I'm inside redline or not.
So, I'll agree that redline gives snipers an advantage that could be considered "unfair", however, I'm willing to bet that most snipers would be sitting at those exact same spots even if you remove it. Redline wasn't introduced to make sniping easy, but for reasons completely unrelated to sniping. It's not sniper's fault that his favorite sniping spot is inside redline. Don't punish him for it.

then why is there a clone count. Again the issue is if a team can no longer stay in the combat area the game needs to end and as long as they are in the red line they get nothing.

there needs to be a reward advantage for the winning team to ensure that they will chose to end the match over farming kills.

redlining is no fun for any on not even the team doing the readlining ending a unbreakable red line is the best for every one involved and at that point THERE IS NO REASON TO BE IN THE REDLINE!! so no you should not be allowed to gain further anything while in the red line.

So, you mean there should be some sort of "premature ending" if one team completely withdraws behind redline?
That doesn't sound like a bad idea, but who decides when to end the battle, and on what exact criteria?

-- snip QQ from scrub --

Just gut yourself, you won't bleed. They filled your clone with QQ.

Useless drivel.

well there goes any hope of constructive conversation......

Why can't we remove redlines all together? If you don't want to spawn on a CRU, MCC, or Uplink, you should be able to spawn in an area relatively free from enemies, like most other FPS games. CCP really can't do random spawns well at all.

yea really never seen a problem with spawn camping before this game.

I have yet to see a anti-redline thread that makes any sense or gives even a semi-coherent argument.

Do you even know why the redline was introduced in the first place?

Are you aware that the objective of the Skirmish and Domination game modes is "destroy enemy MCC", not "stomp the losing team into oblivion and make their defeat even more bitter by depriving them of WP, SP, and ISK"?

The only semi-legitimate issue regarding redline is the sniping issue. Sniper will, by the nature of their role, always try to find a position that is secluded, elevated and hard to get to. Redline area offers some or all of those attributes, some maps better than others. What you're proposing basically forces the sniper to choose a less optimal position, or forfeit the reward for his job. Speaking from personal experience, most times I get taken out as a sniper, I get taken out by another sniper. Regardless of whether I'm inside redline or not.
So, I'll agree that redline gives snipers an advantage that could be considered "unfair", however, I'm willing to bet that most snipers would be sitting at those exact same spots even if you remove it. Redline wasn't introduced to make sniping easy, but for reasons completely unrelated to sniping. It's not sniper's fault that his favorite sniping spot is inside redline. Don't punish him for it.

I have yet to see a anti-red line thread that makes any sense or gives even a semi-coherent argument.

Do you even know why the red line was introduced in the first place?

Are you aware that the objective of the Skirmish and Domination game modes is "destroy enemy MCC", not "stomp the losing team into oblivion and make their defeat even more bitter by depriving them of WP, SP, and ISK"?

The only semi-legitimate issue regarding red line is the sniping issue. Sniper will, by the nature of their role, always try to find a position that is secluded, elevated and hard to get to. Red line area offers some or all of those attributes, some maps better than others. What you're proposing basically forces the sniper to choose a less optimal position, or forfeit the reward for his job. Speaking from personal experience, most times I get taken out as a sniper, I get taken out by another sniper. Regardless of whether I'm inside red line or not.
So, I'll agree that red line gives snipers an advantage that could be considered "unfair", however, I'm willing to bet that most snipers would be sitting at those exact same spots even if you remove it. Red line wasn't introduced to make sniping easy, but for reasons completely unrelated to sniping. It's not sniper's fault that his favorite sniping spot is inside red line. Don't punish him for it.

How about, instead of being kicked after three minutes, no passive SP is gained while I the redline.

Alright I didn't wanna waste my time writing this up again but the trolling is not to bad yet so ill give it a try.

My favorite idea is one where, when all points are held by one team a count down is started to redline removal hacking a point of course resets that timer and the redline. After the redline is removed the assaulting team has to push past the red line spawn point to one last hack point and defend it until captured. If they succeed the match ends, if one of the points is captured they have a 10--30sec timer to get back across the redline before it resets.

the advantage of this set up is it actually increases the chance that the redlined team will be able to push out and can even be used strategically as a bait and switch to effectively red line the opposite team with out firing a single shot.

again this only works if there is an incentive to the winning team ending the match early. After this point you can set the redline as an area where you get no rewards for being there as there is no reason for you to be there if there is a redline there.

then comes the comment but people cant see their own red line so **** you! then put a ******* blue or orange or what ever ******* color.

sorry im tired of the same tired arguments, I'm sure there is one I forgot and ill spew some more hate in memory of those that left behind these great idea and were never heard.

Reward 0 wp, sp and kills for all actions taki.g place within the redline. Failure to leave the redline after 3 minutes boots you from the match for failing to fulfill the contract.

Come at me with the tears scrubs.