No, No, No. Bad idea.

I don't have 1 sp put into sniping, but I have redlined teams and been redlined so I know that there are times where the only benefit to leaving the redzone is to watch your deaths pile up. Sure it speeds up the match so you can hopefully get into another without a team of proto, but I see no reason me, or anyone else, should be forced into a killzone just because you are pissed at a sniper actually doing his job. If you don't like it, take out your free sniper fit like I do and kill him yourself.

Everyone here may have leet skillz and swear they can't be pushed all the way back, but I guarantee you if it hasn't happened it will. And you would likely throw a fit if you were redlined at the end of a match and lost your reward up till that point (proto is expensive)........

On second thought, I would love to see someone I've been redline wasting disappear from the game entirely, losing all they earned trying to break out. Puts griefing on a whole new level, and gives prototrolls another way to ruin the noob experience.

Great suggestion OP.

Just gut yourself, you won't bleed. They filled your clone with QQ.

Useless drivel.

well there goes any hope of constructive conversation......

The only part of early termination I disagree with is the no WP. I would concurr with a bonus to the winning team and a countdown timer for forfeit, but the losing team should keep the meager WP and SP they've earned to that point. Which of the ideas posted for getting out of a redline situation is best...sadly I don't think it matters because of the "vocal minority".

As for the prime sniping spots, the thing that makes them most desirable is their safety. When I run solo, I snipe maybe 50% of the time. I 'm a different kind of redline sniper though, I get as close as possible to the enemy redline, and let me tell you, those are the real prime spots, thanks to redline snipers noone looks for me low down and close to home. My preference is counter-sniping for just this reason.

I don't think a lack of a redline will hurt snipers, I think it will make them better!

stop complaining! its a strategy used by snipers because that's what snipers do. you really think a sniper is gonna go get in the middle of the battle to die?? your request is irrelevant to actually helping the game and makes more problems then solutions.

Let me get this straight. You want to punish teams who get red-lined by queue-syncing proto squads? Sorry, but maintaining a player base is more important than your KD.

This would never work paran.

First, people redlined would just quit and find another match instead of fight their way out.
second, you wouldn't get any reward for killing people in the redline (what goes one way has to go the other)
third, snipers would have a field day with this.

Can't believe Logibro is giving any sort of credibility to this cryhard's request. You can't even see where your redline is in this game, and it's ridiculous to indicate a sniper shouldn't get points for sniping from, you know, sniper positions. Or that a team already getting pushed into it's redline shouldn't even be able to get any war points, giving them less incentive to try and shoot back, instead of just hiding behind a redline crate.

so you'll counter one broken mechanic with another? and how will you be earning all these Precision strikes if the other team is hiding behind crates or better yet the MCC i admit the redline is a problem but nothing is stopping you from getting the free sniper fit CCP gives you and popping their skulls with it

and if their just rubber banding you win good for you why is it so necessary to kick them while they're down
you're probably just upset that there is just that small amount of people that you cheaters couldn't kill with your melee glitch before it went bye bye

This is the OP in a nutshell. The guy who's 30 minutes late for work.

If you really want to "Fix" redlining as you say it's broken, let's fix a few other issues first, such as MATCHMAKING. Just this morning, I was the only guy on my team using advanced gear, and the entire enemy team save for one or two people was in full proto. As in 800 armor, 500 shield proto. I brought out my Thales to try to give our guys a fighting chance, but I was the only person on our team who had a kill as we were forced into the redline and couldn't get out. I couldn't even sneak out and cap a CRU, because then I'd have four proto logis with Duovolles on me.

If you want to remove our last barrier of safety, then you need to have some consequences too. If you own all the Objectives for X amount of time, installations will eventually be swapped over to the redlined team. If they still can't make a cap a certain amount of time after the installations are given, the protostomping team will do half damage and take double damage. At this point of handicaps, the proto team will recieve double ISK reward, whether these measures help the other team make a comeback or not.

And if these measures do help a formerly redlined team win, the underdog team should get QUADRUPLE ISK reward, and perhaps double the SP they would have normally earned, as long as they've earned at least 25wp.

Good thread, minimal (but obligatory) level of trolling.

I can see this from both sides and it's a tough problem to solve. To that end, couple different options that might help:

1) I like the accelerated game end if you own all points and 75% of the opposing team is in their redline. Essentially just increase DPS to the enemy MCC when those conditions are met. If your team wins by redline...you get the "Flawless Victory" bonus, say +25% to ISK, WP, and Salvage.

2) Give a "emergency spawn point" option to the SL. This should function similar to how OBs work, essentially the MCC drops a CRU down for a last ditch attempt to break out of the redline position. It would be kinda neat if you could drop it like you do OBs (heck...it could be an alternate warbarge strike option). You could just have it AI controlled like the normal turret drops.

3) Shrink the redline down to the minimum amount possible just under the MCC or a secure ground base. The "redline" areas need not be connected...the theory would be those are critical areas covered by the MCC or something else that establishes the foothold the ground force is working from. This should give much more playable area back to both teams and gives snipers and counter snipers equal opportunity.

Those three options seem to be the easiest to fix and particularly when working together might achieve the desired effect. Ultimately you don't want to set the conditions for the a$$ whipping cost to be so high that it sheds players but you want to reward decisive victory.

i like some of these red line ideas except for the no WP, SP and ISK earned while in the red line (mostly because if the team is red lined). if nothing is gained in the red line, players would have to leave and that is good, but if pushed into the red line, people would have no incentive to actually play the match. and ending it early would cause them to gain nothing, resulting in why bother playing that match in the first place. i prefer a 50% reduction (or anything that isn't 100%) cost in WP, SP and ISK so they get something in return rather then nothing

so your saying if there was 1 good squad doing all the work trying to push out the redline they deserved to be shot because the rest of the team cant be bothered

i am going to call a spade a spade here and say that the OP has no other intention with this thread other than to be able to kick the opposing team while they're down by requesting CCP to enable his/her team to enter the enemy redline and wreck them even further

if you think i am being rash and jumping to conclusions or that i am assuming the worst out of him/her then allow me to shed light on why i believe his/her intentions are wicked and simply disguised as an honest complaint when the only complaint he/she has is the one thing
keeping the other team remotely safe from his/her proto stomping wrath

first off i will state that if his/her quarrel was with redline snipers he/she could simply order a precision strike like he/she has stated he'd/she'd do to redline campers throughout this entire thread
and if that wasn't an option at the moment he/she could pick up his/her own 100% free starter fit that CCP has provided him/her with and blow their face off if they where indeed that much of a nuisance to him/her
the only reason the latter would be an unacceptable counter to redline snipers is that the OP simply cannot do anything else but proto stomp weaklings or "newbies" and could not possibly stoop to their level of gear

secondly if you have pummeled the opposing team into the dust (pun intended) to such an extent that they refuse to even attempt to exit their redline not only is it the OP's fault for being such a merciless brute and hammering away at them
without hesitance but it is also the OP's fault for failing to fall back afterwards to let the opposition capture at least 1 objective
and continue the rest of the game as you where
this action requires a team effort and a great deal of mercy to do but if you are complaining that it's a bore to wait at the enemy's redline
shooting fish in a barrel so much that the "fish" decided to stop trying at all then perhaps if you try showing mercy to your foes
by falling back and letting them take at least 1 objective than surely they would capture said objective and perhaps even try
to push even further to capture another objective
thus restoring fun to the match

i am certain that your foes would crawl out of their redline if there wasn't 16 hostile mercenary's lined up napoleon style waiting to shoot them full of plasma