DUST Search - "BPOs aren't safe"

Borne Velvalor wrote:

XxGhazbaranxX wrote:

Whatever Happens CCP did a terrible terrible thing. They lead the consumer to BUY BPO's and pack because they where retireing them from market:

Original BPO retirement post

QUOTE:

"So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!"

- CCP FRAME

Picture just in case CCP decides that the post is not good for them.

So CCP first encourages players to buy the BPO's; luring them to spend RL money to be able to buy them to then go ahead and say that BPO's are not safe. I smell a bad deal here.

The truth of the matter is that if CCP lead the consumers to buy BPO's when they could so that they would have them available, making some players spend money so they could have what would be an unobtainable item in the future, then to just even ponder about eliminating them is really bad business. I would even go as far as calling it a potential scam. I really hope that is not what CCP did here. If not they will not only lose my respect but they will also lose the game.

I remembered them encouraging BPO purchases lately and didn't remember where. Thanks.

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Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:21:00 - [31] - Quote Lets all speculate wildly based on a two word third hand quote!
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 81	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:23:00 - [32] - Quote Pretty sure the user agreement will cover CCP's ass on things like this, having played EVE they are pretty good working with thier paying customers. Even if they do scrap BPO's we will most definitely be compensated well. BPO's can't exist in DUST if we want a player to player market. We didn't have to train industry and manufacturing, so why in the hell should we have BPO's, they never should have put them in the game...
Croned B o u n d l e s s. 482	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:23:00 - [33] - Quote This is probably a misunderstanding, as BPOs that are militia-grade really have no effect on the economy. It's not possible for CCP to remove starter fits (as people would run out of ISK and be screwed), and there are probably more BPO items on a given starter fit than most people have purchased through Aurum. But, this only applies if these BPOs are equivalent to militia items (in damage and fitting stats). There could even be further disadvantages, such as less max ammo or something of the sort.
Mors The Butcher Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 6	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:24:00 - [34] - Quote Yup it's really bad for ccp they're is going to be a lot of anger directed at them now
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9555	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:25:00 - [35] - Quote Friendly Woodsman wrote: I really hope he didn't understand the question, because if they try to change a product that they have already sold to someone, the law really will have a problem with that. Its called a "bait and switch", and it is illegal just about everywhere. I'm no lawyer, so I might be off on the legality of such a move, but I am a player that will never give money to someone who changes what they sold to me after the fact. Counter arguably, you bought a software product to which then gets patched to change entirely how it worked and was not what you originally agreed too. Apple's quicktime had such incident' it installed Itunes without permission, which then proceeded to directly wiping out my 12,000 song collection as they where not bought from itunes (nor could they even be bought anywhere) . My compensation from the massive lawsuit? 25 cents because the songs I had, had no value, which I am sure my portion of the taxpayer's cut of that bill was much more than that. Real Bait and Switches are a bit more common these days, a company will sell a product on a lot, when you get to the store in question to be selling said product at an amazing price and the product in question isn't there but all the other products they want to try to buy are. The stupid little disclaimer at 'participating' stores only lets them get away with this. As for what is in dust 514's case, I am not sure how to proceed because your money is only used to buy in game currency and you still have full value on that item. What you do with that currency is questionable. As for the other items is where details start gumming things up to the point it may just require a blank option to fix all of it. CCP Could arguably replace the BPOs with X number of copies of the same item for the aurum value would have been for individual copy purchases and argue equal value. I mean how many people rose a massive amount of stink when ccp changed the stats on these bpos to be different? Changed skill requirements, attributes, performance the other things. All BPOs have been molested with patch updates already. What is the difference if they changed the attribute of the BPO form infinite runs to oh say 2500 runs. Or what if CCP Changed our BPOs to something that you can no longer equip but use as a means of producing your own suits instead? Like I said anything is possible and in the air.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 201	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:25:00 - [36] - Quote It has been confirmed at the round table, all BPO will be gone at some time.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1525	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:26:00 - [37] - Quote Zlocha wrote: BPOs are very bad for the game especially when the trade btw chars is introduced How is that bad? Sounds like an awesome way to make cash....
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 779	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:29:00 - [38] - Quote I don't understand this. BPOs aren't bad for the game because they are all STD gear. They're just there for people who either want to save a miniscule amount of ISK or like the name/look of the item. Collectors collect them for fun and other players use them for fun. They aren't effective by any means when you could get a piece of STD gear for almost nothing. Also, no, they aren't bad for the player market. It gives people with lots of ISK something to collect that is fairly harmless to the game balance. The more things to buy and collect, the better. I would like to see a reason for this before I pass judgement, however. Am I missing something here? Why would CCP remove items that people paid real money for that aren't disrupting the balance of the game?
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:30:00 - [39] - Quote That answer could mean many things, such as, 1. The skinweave's are going away, but the dragonfly,covanent, dren, and Templar stay. 2. They will all get changed to be more like eve where we need to manufacture them. 3. They are changing the weapon's to be standardized, like ps2 so there aren't a dozen names for the same weapon. I don't see them removing, if I remember correctly they never removed the tech 2 bpo's in eve, but would give a bit of a temper tantrum if they did and I wasn't properly reimbursed. Is there video of the presentation on youtube anywhere? Until they clearify what they meant, I'd recommend ppl looking for bpo's to not buy the packs. I hope the OP is trolling.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 489	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:30:00 - [40] - Quote just hopping on the "if existing BPOs are removed, will be upset" train. and no, an aurum or even a psn wallet refund will not make it OK.

Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 351	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:31:00 - [41] - Quote Is it possible that they will be moving to an EVE style BPO, where you need resources to make such fittings? All they would be changing is the free unlimited usages?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1635	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:33:00 - [42] - Quote Here is my suggestion that I just posted on Twitter and I've mentioned before: add a per copy material cost to BPOs that is cheaper than the normal BPC versions and let us keep the unique skins. Eventually we'll have either EVE provided industry or some form of DUST side industry and the BPOs will not be so disruptive again.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:33:00 - [43] - Quote Buzzwords wrote: just hopping on the "if existing BPOs are removed, will be upset" train. and no, an aurum or even a psn wallet refund will not make it OK. I agree... What I paid for was what was on the tin... a PERMANENT ITEM, thats what was advertised, that is what I purchased. It no where said that it was a temporary item.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:34:00 - [44] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: It has been confirmed at the round table, all BPO will be gone at some time. Source?
XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 410	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:34:00 - [45] - Quote Whatever Happens CCP did a terrible terrible thing. They lead the consumer to BUY BPO's and pack because they where retireing them from market: Original BPO retirement post QUOTE: "So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!" - CCP FRAME Picture just in case CCP decides that the post is not good for them. So CCP first encourages players to buy the BPO's; luring them to spend RL money to be able to buy them to then go ahead and say that BPO's are not safe. I smell a bad deal here. The truth of the matter is that if CCP lead the consumers to buy BPO's when they could so that they would have them available, making some players spend money so they could have what would be an unobtainable item in the future, then to just even ponder about eliminating them is really bad business. I would even go as far as calling it a potential scam. I really hope that is not what CCP did here. If not they will not only lose my respect but they will also lose the game.
Croned B o u n d l e s s. 483	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:35:00 - [46] - Quote This really wouldn't affect the player market at all. You could just sell your actual BPO for a crapload of ISK.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 138	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:36:00 - [47] - Quote This is a deal breaker for me. Remove my bpos without cash refund and I quit.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 779	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:37:00 - [48] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Whatever Happens CCP did a terrible terrible thing. They lead the consumer to BUY BPO's and pack because they where retireing them from market: Original BPO retirement post QUOTE: "So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!" - CCP FRAME Picture just in case CCP decides that the post is not good for them. So CCP first encourages players to buy the BPO's; luring them to spend RL money to be able to buy them to then go ahead and say that BPO's are not safe. I smell a bad deal here. The truth of the matter is that if CCP lead the consumers to buy BPO's when they could so that they would have them available, making some players spend money so they could have what would be an unobtainable item in the future, then to just even ponder about eliminating them is really bad business. I would even go as far as calling it a potential scam. I really hope that is not what CCP did here. If not they will not only lose my respect but they will also lose the game. I remembered them encouraging BPO purchases lately and didn't remember where. Thanks.
XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 411	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:39:00 - [49] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Whatever Happens CCP did a terrible terrible thing. They lead the consumer to BUY BPO's and pack because they where retireing them from market: Original BPO retirement post QUOTE: "So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!" - CCP FRAME Picture just in case CCP decides that the post is not good for them. So CCP first encourages players to buy the BPO's; luring them to spend RL money to be able to buy them to then go ahead and say that BPO's are not safe. I smell a bad deal here. The truth of the matter is that if CCP lead the consumers to buy BPO's when they could so that they would have them available, making some players spend money so they could have what would be an unobtainable item in the future, then to just even ponder about eliminating them is really bad business. I would even go as far as calling it a potential scam. I really hope that is not what CCP did here. If not they will not only lose my respect but they will also lose the game. I remembered them encouraging BPO purchases lately and didn't remember where. Thanks. I posted a picture online just in case the post is removed. It's not the first time a post has been removed that makes CCP look bad.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1176	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:40:00 - [50] - Quote This just a low shot CCP.....you really are going to hit players below the belt aren't you?

Waruiko DUST G I A N T EoN. 130	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:43:00 - [51] - Quote There is legal precedence for virtual items having real world value. It's outside the US I think though... I guess I'll go looking.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:43:00 - [52] - Quote You take away the BPO's I paid for and I am gone. Taking away these from people who paid for them, would equal the death of this game. No one would spend another dime for fear that what they pay for today may not be here tomorrow. I expect full refund of all aurum I purchased if you do this.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:47:00 - [53] - Quote I'm making my stand on this issue plain and simple people, IF CCP decide to remove my BPOs that I have purchased, I will be launching a legal action against CCP for breaching my consumer rights and failing to adhere to the contact of which they were party to when they sold me the packs. I'm not ******* about with this either guys.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 496	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:47:00 - [54] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: DS 10 wrote: Zion Shad just asked if his BPO assets are safe in his inventory after BPOs were taken off the market. The reply was that they "aren't safe". BETTER USE THEM WHILE YOU CAN. HAHAHA i was JUST about to buy a 100$ PSN card to buy an Elite pack. FOR THE BPO!!!! I read this. Now im getting a Tattoo (or Pokemon Y, depends on what ocmes 1st XD). LOL CCP ....the only real thing people want to buy and you say its not safe to have them? that htere is risk of removal? XD hahahaa so was i
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:49:00 - [55] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I'm making my stand on this issue plain and simple people, IF CCP decide to remove my BPOs that I have purchased, I will be launching a legal action against CCP for breaching my consumer rights and failing to adhere to the contact of which they were party to when they sold me the packs. I'm not ******* about with this either guys. Send me a mail if/when this happens as I too would like to participate. Oh and you EULA warriors. Do you actually think EULAs aren't able to wave your consumer rights? Do a search on google about judges laughing at EULAs.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:50:00 - [56] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: This is a deal breaker for me. Remove my bpos without cash refund and I quit. If they did that you have a legal right to hold CCP to account for failing to honor the agreement when you purchased the pack, and CAN sue.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 780	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:53:00 - [57] - Quote TL;DR Thread: "You take away our BPOs, you take away our lives!"
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:54:00 - [58] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash. You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. I guess that will do then ;) I'd use the redeemed money to buy PS4 games from the PSN market instead, all -ú169.97 that I put into DUST514. That's over $200.00
Waruiko DUST G I A N T EoN. 130	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:54:00 - [59] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: There is legal precedence for virtual items having real world value. It's outside the US I think though... I guess I'll go looking. Sources and sites on the subject. The Forbs and Springer article are likely most relevant http://www.mysecurecyberspace.com/articles/statistics-trends/virtual-items-gaining-real-world-value.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2012/12/04/what-is-the-legal-status-of-virtual-goods/ http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=dltr http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10660-006-5987-8#page-1
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 75	Posted - 2013.10.19 22:58:00 - [60] - Quote I thought they would bring in more BPOs to sell to make money. Whoever is in charge is trying to kill this game, cause if I lose what I've bought...goodbye. BPOs don't hurt the game, they make it more interesting and gives players a way to invest in a growing product they like. I want BPOs for everything STD in the game with customizable skins. It's standard in all games to choose what colors you are and how you approach. Why else play? If you don't want to spend 20$ for a game to get some permanent gear than don't. Would be nice to have a blue tag denying or confirming. Maybe even a CPM would do.



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