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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Friendly Woodsman wrote:I really hope he didn't understand the question, because if they try to change a product that they have already sold to someone, the law really will have a problem with that. Its called a "bait and switch", and it is illegal just about everywhere. I'm no lawyer, so I might be off on the legality of such a move, but I am a player that will never give money to someone who changes what they sold to me after the fact. Counter arguably, you bought a software product to which then gets patched to change entirely how it worked and was not what you originally agreed too. Apple's quicktime had such incident' it installed Itunes without permission, which then proceeded to directly wiping out my 12,000 song collection as they where not bought from itunes (nor could they even be bought anywhere) . My compensation from the massive lawsuit? 25 cents because the songs I had, had no value, which I am sure my portion of the taxpayer's cut of that bill was much more than that. Real Bait and Switches are a bit more common these days, a company will sell a product on a lot, when you get to the store in question to be selling said product at an amazing price and the product in question isn't there but all the other products they want to try to buy are. The stupid little disclaimer at 'participating' stores only lets them get away with this. As for what is in dust 514's case, I am not sure how to proceed because your money is only used to buy in game currency and you still have full value on that item. What you do with that currency is questionable. As for the other items is where details start gumming things up to the point it may just require a blank option to fix all of it. CCP Could arguably replace the BPOs with X number of copies of the same item for the aurum value would have been for individual copy purchases and argue equal value. I mean how many people rose a massive amount of stink when ccp changed the stats on these bpos to be different? Changed skill requirements, attributes, performance the other things. All BPOs have been molested with patch updates already. What is the difference if they changed the attribute of the BPO form infinite runs to oh say 2500 runs. Or what if CCP Changed our BPOs to something that you can no longer equip but use as a means of producing your own suits instead? Like I said anything is possible and in the air.
As well as potential legal actions |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Auxiliaries
268
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:01:00 -
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So I came back to Dust and started playing daily and wanted to get Elite for my main and Vet for my alt... And CCP says what? Cool, no worries. MGS Legacy it is. KTHXBAI.
PS. Obligatory: "if you touch my SEVER or Dragonfly you're dead to me." |
Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
322
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash.
You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. Right so its OK to accept cash but it can't be returned hu? Sounds like a win win for sony / ccp. Because if its returned to my sony wallet i highly doubt sony will give me some way of refunding the money back to my pocket. Blueprints in this game were the only thing i considered worth spending my money on. If those get pulled i dont want aurum back I want my cash. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
260
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash.
You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. Sony wants to claim everything as illegal, but state or country +éaws can trump Sony's declarations if a sale is equated to a scam. In other words CCP would take the bullet for trying to go back on paid content, because Sony would not want CCP to hit that kind of a road bump.
In other words CCP wants to do that for their game economy, but probably won't be legally able without jumping through a lot of hoops both to appease Sony and their buying customers. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4115
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum refund may involve lawyers (on ccps end) so who knows.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong. If you mean refunding AUR to cash, then I see that being an issue.
Giving people AUR in return for taking away BPOs shouldn't require lawyers on CCP's part surely. It seems the logical thing to do, not to mention the RIGHT thing to do.
I don't have much BPOs in comparison to some people, but I'll still want my AUR back for them, because I bought them thinking I'll have them there as long as I wanted. You can't put something on the market, make people pay real money for it, then take it away without a refund lol
That's like putting out DLC, making people buy it, then say "oops! We didn't mean to put this out" and take it back from people and keep their money. Makes no sense.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9556
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:08:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum refund may involve lawyers (on ccps end) so who knows. Maybe I'm reading this wrong. If you mean refunding AUR to cash, then I see that being an issue. Giving people AUR in return for taking away BPOs shouldn't require lawyers on CCP's part surely. It seems the logical thing to do, not to mention the RIGHT thing to do. I don't have much BPOs in comparison to some people, but I'll still want my AUR back for them, because I bought them thinking I'll have them there as long as I wanted. You can't put something on the market, make people pay real money for it, then take it away without a refund lol That's like putting out DLC, making people buy it, then say "oops! We didn't mean to put this out" and take it back from people and keep their money. Makes no sense.
From what I understand reversing an item transaction into Aurum on a mass scale would require the advice of the legal team.
Either way until a solution is found that is satisfactory the bpos shouldn't be removed until then. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:09:00 -
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For people like me, the only reason I bought arum was for the BPOs. If they remove 90%of my purchase motivation... I'd literally have no reason to look in their arum store ever again. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4115
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum refund may involve lawyers (on ccps end) so who knows. Maybe I'm reading this wrong. If you mean refunding AUR to cash, then I see that being an issue. Giving people AUR in return for taking away BPOs shouldn't require lawyers on CCP's part surely. It seems the logical thing to do, not to mention the RIGHT thing to do. I don't have much BPOs in comparison to some people, but I'll still want my AUR back for them, because I bought them thinking I'll have them there as long as I wanted. You can't put something on the market, make people pay real money for it, then take it away without a refund lol That's like putting out DLC, making people buy it, then say "oops! We didn't mean to put this out" and take it back from people and keep their money. Makes no sense. From what I understand reversing an item transaction into Aurum on a mass scale would require the advice of the legal team. Either way until a solution is found that is satisfactory the bpos shouldn't be removed until then.
Ah, well eitherway I don't see CCP taking them away and not refunding people.
Curious to know what they'll do for people that bought merc packs and have a few AR, SMG and Dragonfly BPO's |
Mors The Butcher
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
6
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aurum refund may involve lawyers (on ccps end) so who knows. Maybe I'm reading this wrong. If you mean refunding AUR to cash, then I see that being an issue. Giving people AUR in return for taking away BPOs shouldn't require lawyers on CCP's part surely. It seems the logical thing to do, not to mention the RIGHT thing to do. I don't have much BPOs in comparison to some people, but I'll still want my AUR back for them, because I bought them thinking I'll have them there as long as I wanted. You can't put something on the market, make people pay real money for it, then take it away without a refund lol That's like putting out DLC, making people buy it, then say "oops! We didn't mean to put this out" and take it back from people and keep their money. Makes no sense. From what I understand reversing an item transaction into Aurum on a mass scale would require the advice of the legal team. Either way until a solution is found that is satisfactory the bpos shouldn't be removed until then.
I totally agree about that |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:11:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:just hopping on the "if existing BPOs are removed, will be upset" train.
and no, an aurum or even a psn wallet refund will not make it OK.
As the consumer you have a legal right to request a refund If CCP decides that they will NOT honor their side of the purchase agreement, regardless of whether they offer 10,000 BPCs, Aurmn, or a PSN refund, you can demand cash. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9558
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:12:00 -
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CCP Community team cooking up a message now. |
Knight Soiaire
P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M
2661
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:13:00 -
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But I dont want the AUR.
I want the money I dropped on the pack back, I only bought it for the BPOs. |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
781
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Community team cooking up a massage now.
Good. We need something beyond Crowd Control Missives. |
Orca Amsel
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
528
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Community team cooking up a message now. Will this be out before monday? |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
781
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:18:00 -
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Orca Amsel wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Community team cooking up a message now. Will this be out before monday?
Yes. Were you talking about the last Monday of October 2015 or the first Monday of November 2016? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9558
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:18:00 -
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Orca Amsel wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Community team cooking up a message now. Will this be out before monday?
No the CMP is prodding with a hot poker. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
140
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:18:00 -
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I want to predict CCP's response.
"Everything is subject to change standby soon tm for more information".
Or
"Everything is subject to change here is our reasoning for possibly making this choice stanby soon tm for more information". |
DS 10
Ancient Exiles
1122
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:19:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Community team cooking up a massage now. Good. We need something beyond Crowd Control Missives.
What is CCM? |
XxGhazbaranxX
Bannana Boat Corp
414
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:19:00 -
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Alright. Let's say CCP refunds the arum of every in game bought item. What happens to those items that where bought with real money? The Dren Pack comes to mind. These special edition BPO's from the elite pack have no aurum equivalent since they are novelty items. Even Then, who are they to say what aurum price they should have, this in itself would be a random number created by them because they think it should have that price.
Alright I'm going to employ a tactic I did when the mass driver got nerfed without any reason I will always be posting a couple of facts so they are always there.
Whatever Happens CCP did a terrible terrible thing. They lead the consumer to BUY BPO's and pack because they where retireing them from market:
Original BPO retirement post
QUOTE:
"So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!"
- CCP FRAME
Picture just in case CCP decides that the post is not good for them.
So CCP first encourages players to buy the BPO's; luring them to spend RL money to be able to buy them to then go ahead and say that BPO's are not safe. I smell a bad deal here.
The truth of the matter is that if CCP lead the consumers to buy BPO's when they could so that they would have them available, making some players spend money so they could have what would be an unobtainable item in the future, then to just even ponder about eliminating them is really bad business. I would even go as far as calling it a potential scam. I really hope that is not what CCP did here. If not they will not only lose my respect but they will also lose the game. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
589
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:20:00 -
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https://twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/391704802255589376
Direct answer from CCP Pretorian. Expect a forum response soon. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
2947
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:21:00 -
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One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro |
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XxGhazbaranxX
Bannana Boat Corp
414
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:21:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:https://twitter.com/ccp_praetorian/status/391704802255589376
Direct answer from CCP Pretorian. Expect a forum response soon.
Well that is what you call a Clusterfuck.
@DennieFleetfoot @CCP_Rouge @kanafchian @CCP_Logibro oops! Not what I meant and I was being a wee not cheeky. Forum response being prepared.
I hope this all gets smoothed over. I saw the torches being lit and the mob gathering their hoes :P
CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
Goood man!! |
XxGhazbaranxX
Bannana Boat Corp
414
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:24:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion.
I can breathe again. Time to turn dust on and get on with my life or lack there of |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn
436
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:24:00 -
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you have to watch out for ccp being vague with their answers. whats seems like a yes or a no might be a maybe or a twisting of the truth.
we all knew eventually all our gear will be produced in eve thats never changed. how and when this will happen is anyones guess but they are still going to come from bpo's. what ccp might be talking about is bpo's as we see them today will be gone. i.e we just run a suit off from one direct. ccp has to remove this feature for eve to produce these items for us meaning that our bpo's will be essentially useless dust side.
that is my take on it. there isn't really a need to compensate for something which you could sell or produce eve side.
or if thats not the case ccp should consider it |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
589
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:27:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion.
Good man. Don't like jumping on you all like this but it needed a rapid answer. Cheers. |
Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
140
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:27:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion.
Oh okay. My e rage has subsided. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
573
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:29:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion.
Man a bit late i already see people in Dust channels talking about this... A Force 5 Ragenado is sweeping across Dust right now. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2016
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:29:00 -
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lol I better close that help ticket!
>.< |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9560
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:30:00 -
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... And to think I was going to issued a Muzzle first. |
DS 10
Ancient Exiles
1123
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:31:00 -
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Title change number 3. Trying to keep it civil up in here. |
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