DUST Search - "BPOs aren't safe"

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Zion Shad: Hey guys, I play under a name called Zion Shad and first I want to say, thank you. Todays Dust is the Dust I wanted back in closed beta. We have our corporate roles, we've got our corporate tax, everything's good. I'm loving the game, Y'know despite all the hiccups and stuff. I'm worried about my BPOs. I keep looking and there's none on the market, and I keep looking at my assets and they're still there. Are they safe, am I good?

CCP: They're not safe.

Zion Shad: They're not safe!? What kind of, err, is there gonna be some kind of reimbursement? What do you guys have planned for it? If you're going to eliminate the ones from the players, they're owning.

CCP: I can't really say, err, what our plans for that is because I don't know. We haven't decided basically. But BPOs are not good for the economy. We firmly believe that. We've seen a dip in the usage of other items. They're very convenient for you, but for the overall economy and the burn of ISK in the economy and stuff like that BPOs had a very negative impact. So we are retiring, or at least pulling them off the market but you can still use them and stuff like that, and maybe we'll take that a step, or steps, further, but we are compensating you with [a] rebalance of the item tree, adding in the Loyalty Points store items and stuff like that.

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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 771	Posted - 2013.10.20 01:55:00 - [121] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. I'm okay with the idea of not trading BPOs and I'm sure a lot of other people are too if it means not removing them. I mean as much as I'd like to pawn off some extra dragonfly and toxin gear I can live with it being limited to my character (or my account). Most of my purchases have been for and driven by BPOs, and they make my kind of playstyle great. As someone who has put 200+ dollars into BPOs taking them out would be pretty fu%^ed up.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 310	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:00:00 - [122] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash. You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. Way to misquote. Sony don't refund Station Cash to real money because its bought into a common pool across multiple games and it would interfere with the revenue modelling of those other games if one in the pool gave refunds. Not because its illegal.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 143	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:17:00 - [123] - Quote The thing that keeps a FTP going is consumer confidence in that if you buy something, you will always have it for the life cycle of the game. Even if I took a couple years off and come back, i'd expect my character to be there and the items I bought to be there.
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 77	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:31:00 - [124] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Spectre-M wrote: DS 10 wrote: Zion Shad just asked if his BPO assets are safe in his inventory after BPOs were taken off the market. The reply was that they "aren't safe". BETTER USE THEM WHILE YOU CAN. EDIT: Shad confirmed with devs that BPOs will in fact be leaving the game once CCP figures out how to PAY YOU BACK for them. EDIT 2: Jump to dev post to see what Logibro said about no plans to remove BPOs from inventories. What's with these companies doing this crap. Microsoft pretty much tried to stab its player base in the back, then took it back when gamers got peeved. Gamer communities are like Conan, don't #@*! With them or they'll destroy you. Learn from Microsoft mistakes CCP, cause you seem to be doing similar things. How are we supposed to bring in new players when they won't have access to stuff everyone else has? I for one, no longer trust you as a company I think it was a miscommunication that was cleared up quickly. Stop being a baby. Funny how it was you who made the mistake making me think they were being removed. Sorry for trusting a thing you say. Calling me a baby for believing what you said is pretty low, DS 10. Next time maybe you won't spread false information, then flame people who thought you knew what you were talking about. Bravo!
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:56:00 - [125] - Quote BPO's should be tradable simply cause there is now a "limited pool" of them. People who bought multiple merc packs are getting punished for supporting this game. I do know for a fact that certain people bought merc packs as a preparation for player driven markets. There are plenty off SVER, RAVEN and Valor suits out there. And whats with weapons like the Exile or the Skinweave dropsuits? Those are BPO's aswell and have beeing handed out as event rewards. Everything in dust should be tradable. After all CCP allready got payd by the person who bought a BPO initially. CCP wouldnt "loose" money cause the item doesnt gets duplicated its just changing the owner.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 222	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:59:00 - [126] - Quote Just FYI, I think that BPO's are in general bad for the game. And I say this as someone who makes extensive use of BPO's, and who owns a lot. So if CCP were to find a way to remove already existing ones from the game, that would be great. CCP Logibro wrote: We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. Good discussion to have, and you will need to deal with the fact that some of us have duplicates, and that your system allowed for purchase of duplicates, with knowledge of the sort of game CCP makes (that is, one that allows trading). What would benefit me the most: Forced full refund of BPO's at the peak AUR price. Of course, this would upset many people who paid money just to get the BPO's and now are being forced to have AUR instead to buy other things they may have no interest in. They spent real money to get BPO's, and may have no interest in anything else. What would maybe benefit many in the community the most: No new BPO's, but allow existing ones to freely be traded with players, so that players can in the future still get BPO's (I imagine there's enough BPO's around that the ISK price wouldn't be crazy high). What is maybe the best option: Have a very generous optional trade-in scheme for any BPO, and prohibit any trading between players. What is a terrible option: Disallow trade between players, and do nothing else.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2013.10.20 03:19:00 - [127] - Quote Now that I have had time to calm down, and also that CCP Logibro sorted things out somewhat. It would not bother me in the slightest if CCP locked BPOs to the player, and this is coming from someone with 3 caldari assualt BPOs and three assualt rifle BPOs The biggest thing they must make sure of is that these BPOs cannot be used by a corp, like throw them in a corp locker and now everyone can use the BPO for a fitting.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 455	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:03:00 - [128] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. Well I for one would be somewhat dismayed if we were not allowed to put BPO items on the open market in the future. Especially since CCP made a point of offering so many items that were statistically similar to one another albeit with slight cosmetic changes. The removal of these items from the standard marketplace has already imposed a certain level of rarity and I do not see how their sale from player to player is going to have any significant impact on the game. I mean we are talking about Militia and Basic gear here. These are not very expensive items when you buy their perishable versions. The amount in the game is now (or soon will be) fixed so what does it matter if I am using it or I sell it to someone else to use. BPO's were helpful to a degree in the early stages of character progression, but I rarely use them any more. Seems only fair that other newer players should get a chance to pick up these things from other players. Especially since CCP will not be offering them any longer.
Dakon Gerrien Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 0	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:07:00 - [129] - Quote Just so folks don't have to sift through bits, from the EvE Vegas recording: Based on the video [1], as best I can hear: Quote: Zion Shad: Hey guys, I play under a name called Zion Shad and first I want to say, thank you. Todays Dust is the Dust I wanted back in closed beta. We have our corporate roles, we've got our corporate tax, everything's good. I'm loving the game, Y'know despite all the hiccups and stuff. I'm worried about my BPOs. I keep looking and there's none on the market, and I keep looking at my assets and they're still there. Are they safe, am I good? CCP: They're not safe. Zion Shad: They're not safe!? What kind of, err, is there gonna be some kind of reimbursement? What do you guys have planned for it? If you're going to eliminate the ones from the players, they're owning. CCP: I can't really say, err, what our plans for that is because I don't know. We haven't decided basically. But BPOs are not good for the economy. We firmly believe that. We've seen a dip in the usage of other items. They're very convenient for you, but for the overall economy and the burn of ISK in the economy and stuff like that BPOs had a very negative impact. So we are retiring, or at least pulling them off the market but you can still use them and stuff like that, and maybe we'll take that a step, or steps, further, but we are compensating you with [a] rebalance of the item tree, adding in the Loyalty Points store items and stuff like that. [1] Twitch rough EvE Vegas recording -- Time index 04:55:53-04:57:17
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD 766	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:25:00 - [130] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Zion Shad just asked if his BPO assets are safe in his inventory after BPOs were taken off the market. The reply was that they "aren't safe". BETTER USE THEM WHILE YOU CAN. EDIT: Shad confirmed with devs that BPOs will in fact be leaving the game once CCP figures out how to PAY YOU BACK for them. EDIT 2: Jump to dev post to see what Logibro said about no plans to remove BPOs from inventories. So I suppose that the new EP from ElectronicArts has already started to flaunt his authority, and power? So he is going to make Dust514 into a pay-to-win model. Bloody hell. I bet I know whom the woman behind him is too. I bet it is, Mintchiplol. Both of them are bad eggs to begin with. Dust514 was already circling the toilet bowl before either of them joined CCP, but this only proves how close to the final circle we are before we slide down the drain. Pathetic. CCP can re-imburse my PlayStation Network (SEN) store wallet. I refuse to take AURum as a form of reparations.

Aqua-Regia MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 438	Posted - 2013.10.20 04:53:00 - [131] - Quote If I can't trading and/or exchange BPO ....Delete..... I'm just going to stop playing this game and move on. The BPO is like that one massively foul poop in a toilet that was not flush down, so someone can show it off like a trophy. CCP don't flush the crap down
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 475	Posted - 2013.10.20 05:26:00 - [132] - Quote The Sver suit is practically the only suit i use and your going to take it away? CCP if you think your just going to take away bpo stuff and not see a serious withdraw of players you must be out of your freaking mind. That suit is seriously the only reason i even hop back on to this game. I do use other suits but nothing compares to my Sver. Taking away bpo gear will deal a serious blow to the amount of people who will still be willing to play this game. Dont do it!
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1989	Posted - 2013.10.20 05:39:00 - [133] - Quote I think it would be lovely if they reimbursed us with the Second Decade Collector's Edition box set, which would make me really happy considering I'll have the Templar: Dropsuits, weaponry and uplink BPOGÇÖs......... oh wait.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1507	Posted - 2013.10.20 05:41:00 - [134] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. So... what about making BPOs actual BPOs like in EVE?
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 920	Posted - 2013.10.20 05:44:00 - [135] - Quote Good, I don't use them anyway. Hope the reward quenches my insatiable greed!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 324	Posted - 2013.10.20 06:26:00 - [136] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Its funny how everyone is:"hey its my money", when respec boyos was:"hey i put my SPs in that skill" most of boyos was like" "just overcome and STFU" XD Yea things change a lot when dealing with fictional skill points that never had any sort of real dollar value and when dealing with things that might have cost people real cash at some point. Granted i know closed beta players got a lot of blueprints for free but many people have bought blueprints with real money.
Aqua-Regia MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 440	Posted - 2013.10.20 06:36:00 - [137] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. So... what about making BPOs actual BPOs like in EVE? It take time and we don't have anymore time, at less for me. Things I found out over the years EvE&Dust. CCP keep trying to work on multiple projects. CCP take so long to finish anything. CCP delay projects that take to long. CCP end up moving to another project so nothing get finish. CCP said and promise a lot of things. CCP collaborative is funny, random, weak, and most of the time bad for them and us. CCP like to hold out till/after Fanfest to release any big contents. CCP do a good job in once in awhile. SOONGäó, SOONGäó, and SOONGäó
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 679	Posted - 2013.10.20 08:21:00 - [138] - Quote Soooooooooo... I was going to buy an Elite pack next paycheck. Guess not because the BPO's are a big part of why I would be buying it. Guess I will get a 3DS XL instead.
jerrmy12 kahoalii REAPERS REPUBLIC 72	Posted - 2013.10.20 08:23:00 - [139] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. bpo's should be tradeable
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.10.20 09:20:00 - [140] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: So... what about making BPOs actual BPOs like in EVE? +1 But that would need the economies to be merged and real production happening. IMHO CCP should state that: BPO-s will behave the same as in EVE-O as production blueprints BPC-s will be introduced based on the same mechanic Before the full production opens (which as far as I understood will be sometime in 2014) BPO-s will be instantly manufactured by NPC entities at reduced prices for owners (eg. by using the restock mechanic) and the resulting products will be sellable on the P2P market as well as the BPO-s themselves. After the production opens the BPO-s will have to be manufactured at normal prices by corporations BPO-s shouldn't be available for direct AURUM purchases. Maybe a reintroduction as loot or NPC ISK BPO-s would be possible IMHO this would result in most of the BPO's being distributed between DUST players in the short term and in the long term EVE will scoop the rest of them and normal production rules will apply if they will be available as loot (eg. for the higher tier items) or NPC production BPO's (say for militia items). It will mean that even if you own a SVER BPO you'll have to pay for that suit, but it will still result in a custom suit for you, for which you could sell the BPO if you don't need it anymore. Of course this will result in that suit being available on the market from other players, but as no one really sells items without a solid margin, you will still be able to manufacture and use them on the cheap. STANDARD DISCLAIMER: This may have holes in it as I'm not an economist and just serves as my 2 PLN cents here.

OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 911	Posted - 2013.10.20 13:33:00 - [141] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Could they even legally do this? There is arguably no item of equivalent value to a BPO. You accepted the EULA right? Well then yes. They can do it whether you like it or not. Although they do have to substitute it with item(s) of equal or greater value. Also equivalent value has to be how much the BPOs cost (Not as a whole as a single BPO) so they could just give you AUR as you're refund. Yes but in the game these items are priceless an infinite, which means they have never ending life like that of a personal factory. You can buy the egg but I'd rather have the immortal chicken.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1236	Posted - 2013.10.20 13:36:00 - [142] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. Many people has bought up several copies of BPO's just to trade them. I have been setting up deals already so I can do just that. Don't take that away from me
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1707	Posted - 2013.10.20 13:43:00 - [143] - Quote Did I miss a link somewhere or is this all really based on one persons out of context assumptions that we can't verify... Oh wait, post 142 above mine translates the hyperbole into something that is probably closer to reality?
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2013.10.20 13:52:00 - [144] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Did I miss a link somewhere or is this all really based on one persons out of context assumptions that we can't verify... Oh wait, post 142 above mine translates the hyperbole into something that is probably closer to reality? it was a question that was asked in the dust presentation at vegas, on page seven, someone was nice enough to give a recording of that question. Dakon Gerrien wrote: Just so folks don't have to sift through bits, from the EvE Vegas recording: [1] Twitch rough EvE Vegas recording -- Time index 04:55:53-04:57:17
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 233	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:16:00 - [145] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Could they even legally do this? There is arguably no item of equivalent value to a BPO. Yes there is ....... the aurum you payed for it
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 257	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:28:00 - [146] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aurum refund may involve lawyers (on ccps end) so who knows. Not saying its impossible but there are a lot of options available. Granted lawyers may get involved, only because of the fact they would be worried about a law suit due to the actual viability of being sued. As for taking away our hard earned BPO's, even the suggestion of it just goes to show all the more reason for this player base to begin to leave. The fact that the community has to find out through event's that are not posted or communicated to the community (i.e., only through rumor mill, which sucks, or through-third hand off comments) The only way to make any money in this game is through the use of BPO, of which the majority that I have were given to me as rewards for sticking with this BETA for as long as I have. So what this means that all of us closed beta testers would get a slap in the face.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 257	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:29:00 - [147] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Could they even legally do this? There is arguably no item of equivalent value to a BPO. Yes there is ....... the aurum you payed for it Actually with the closed beta testers being given BPO's as a reward for sticking with this broken ass game, there is no equivalent for the recovery of our time.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:36:00 - [148] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. Lock them from being traded/sold, problem solved. Then dust can finally move forward(trading). They chose to take advantage, let them sit on em for eternity.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1074	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:39:00 - [149] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. Lock them from being traded/sold, problem solved. Then dust can finally move forward(trading). They chose to take advantage, let them sit on em for eternity. What problems did you solve exactly?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1708	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:42:00 - [150] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Actually with the closed beta testers being given BPO's as a reward for sticking with this broken ass game, there is no equivalent for the recovery of our time. Beta testers got to play the game, influence it's evolution (not necessarily good or bad) and so far keep a lot of SP. I think they have been well remunerated for their time. However, in general, nobody owes beta testers anything... they are beta testers... they donate time by choice. That era has been and gone.



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