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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:47:00 -
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I'm making my stand on this issue plain and simple people, IF CCP decide to remove my BPOs that I have purchased, I will be launching a legal action against CCP for breaching my consumer rights and failing to adhere to the contact of which they were party to when they sold me the packs. I'm not ******* about with this either guys. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:50:00 -
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Centurion mkII wrote:This is a deal breaker for me. Remove my bpos without cash refund and I quit.
If they did that you have a legal right to hold CCP to account for failing to honor the agreement when you purchased the pack, and CAN sue. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:54:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash.
You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. I guess that will do then ;)
I'd use the redeemed money to buy PS4 games from the PSN market instead, all -ú169.97 that I put into DUST514. That's over $200.00 |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 22:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Friendly Woodsman wrote:I really hope he didn't understand the question, because if they try to change a product that they have already sold to someone, the law really will have a problem with that. Its called a "bait and switch", and it is illegal just about everywhere. I'm no lawyer, so I might be off on the legality of such a move, but I am a player that will never give money to someone who changes what they sold to me after the fact. Counter arguably, you bought a software product to which then gets patched to change entirely how it worked and was not what you originally agreed too. Apple's quicktime had such incident' it installed Itunes without permission, which then proceeded to directly wiping out my 12,000 song collection as they where not bought from itunes (nor could they even be bought anywhere) . My compensation from the massive lawsuit? 25 cents because the songs I had, had no value, which I am sure my portion of the taxpayer's cut of that bill was much more than that. Real Bait and Switches are a bit more common these days, a company will sell a product on a lot, when you get to the store in question to be selling said product at an amazing price and the product in question isn't there but all the other products they want to try to buy are. The stupid little disclaimer at 'participating' stores only lets them get away with this. As for what is in dust 514's case, I am not sure how to proceed because your money is only used to buy in game currency and you still have full value on that item. What you do with that currency is questionable. As for the other items is where details start gumming things up to the point it may just require a blank option to fix all of it. CCP Could arguably replace the BPOs with X number of copies of the same item for the aurum value would have been for individual copy purchases and argue equal value. I mean how many people rose a massive amount of stink when ccp changed the stats on these bpos to be different? Changed skill requirements, attributes, performance the other things. All BPOs have been molested with patch updates already. What is the difference if they changed the attribute of the BPO form infinite runs to oh say 2500 runs. Or what if CCP Changed our BPOs to something that you can no longer equip but use as a means of producing your own suits instead? Like I said anything is possible and in the air.
As well as potential legal actions |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:11:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:just hopping on the "if existing BPOs are removed, will be upset" train.
and no, an aurum or even a psn wallet refund will not make it OK.
As the consumer you have a legal right to request a refund If CCP decides that they will NOT honor their side of the purchase agreement, regardless of whether they offer 10,000 BPCs, Aurmn, or a PSN refund, you can demand cash. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:39:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories.
We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion.
I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass.
What do you mean, 'at this stage', we all know CCP changes their mind on just about everything, at least 3 times a day, so what's to say we won't be seeing an official announcement come 01/01/2014 stating all BPOs will be removed to make way for the player market. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:45:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Could they even legally do this? There is arguably no item of equivalent value to a BPO. You accepted the EULA right? Well then yes. They can do it whether you like it or not. Although they do have to substitute it with item(s) of equal or greater value. Also equivalent value has to be how much the BPOs cost (Not as a whole as a single BPO) so they could just give you AUR as you're refund.
As a consumer you have a legal right to request a refund, regardless of the alternatives they provide. If CCP decides that they won't honor the purchase agreement, and decide to change the terms, you can legally request a refund. CCP and Sony are do not have impunity from EU, US and UK consumer law, regardless of the EULA that theyes make you agree to. The final decision on the matter will ALWAYs rest in the hands of the courts. Btw I've just finished my 4 year studies, 3 of which was spent studying law, consumer rights, and business studies. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:49:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Vanu Commander wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:If there is a BPO removal, all merc packs should be refunded to cash.
You cannot sell something and then change it, then you get problems with something called the law. You cannot refund to cash, that's illegal according to sony. Highest level you can refund back to is PSN wallet. According to Sony? It's NOT illegal! That's their policy (and not to be confused with the law). EULA cannot event protect that either. It is simply a bait and switch tactic, which it is illegal (if not bait and switch, some form of it). You cannot promote something and people pay with hard earned cash then take it away without refund (psn wallet or aur are NOT refund, thus you guys still keep the money). This is bullshit! Well apparently the ps3 is still sony's property even though you bought it. Well that is according to sonys EULA.
No court would support an action by Sony to request the return of a PS3 that a consumer has purchased.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:51:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Could they even legally do this? There is arguably no item of equivalent value to a BPO. You accepted the EULA right? Well then yes. They can do it whether you like it or not. Although they do have to substitute it with item(s) of equal or greater value. Also equivalent value has to be how much the BPOs cost (Not as a whole as a single BPO) so they could just give you AUR as you're refund. As a consumer you have a legal right to request a refund, regardless of the alternatives they provide. If CCP decides that they won't honor the purchase agreement, and decide to change the terms, you can legally request a refund. CCP and Sony are do not have impunity from EU, US and UK consumer law, regardless of the EULA that theyes make you agree to. The final decision on the matter will ALWAYs rest in the hands of the courts. Btw I've just finished my 4 year studies, 3 of which was spent studying law, consumer rights, and business studies. So you get PSN money back if you decide to petition to get a refund in which your characters get wiped losing all the progress you made anyways so I doubt many people will do it unless they're planning on leaving dust.
If it gets me -ú169.97 (over $200) refunded, I would happily erase DUST514 from my PS3, and spend the money on PS4 titles instead. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.20 00:19:00 -
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Ghural wrote:CCP certainly like taking stuff off their players.
Yes, and yet they give us so little. So little SP, so little guidance in academy, so little ISK, so little reason to play on after reaching the SP cap, so little reason to trust them, and so little reason to believe DUST514 will survive past 2015. |
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