DUST Search - "BPOs aren't safe"

Pent'noir wrote:

If they went in a route like eve, then i'd be okay with a bpo that is maxed researched because if I remember right, those take months to research if done in highsec. Although, i'd imagine this would not make the majority of bpo holders content. They bought something with the expectation of keeping it as they currently function.

I can think of a couple more possible solutions, but in every solution, there will be a population of bpo holders that get screwed. Even if they don't do anything and let them be traded, new comers get screwed because they were never given the chance to buy them and now must pay a couple 100 million isk for a militia/standard item. Although, in time, the bpo's will be left on inactive characters and they will have less and less impact on the economy. In my opinion, this is probably the best way to go as long as they retain their current function and can never be used to mass manufacture them for the market.

Although, I think they underestimate the bpo holders because if they are still using them with high sp, then i'd imagine they would be willing to use the free starter fits. They aren't that horrible.

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JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1074	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:44:00 - [151] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Actually with the closed beta testers being given BPO's as a reward for sticking with this broken ass game, there is no equivalent for the recovery of our time. Beta testers got to play the game, influence it's evolution (not necessarily good or bad) and so far keep a lot of SP. I think they have been well remunerated for their time. However, in general, nobody owes beta testers anything... they are beta testers... they donate time by choice. That era has been and gone. Some people had to pay to enter during beta fyi.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2066	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:38:00 - [152] - Quote BPOs should be locked to a character. Multiples of BPOs should have an option to be sold directly back to the 'market' for some pre-established value. this will weed out a lot of the BPOs present in the game which is what CCP wants, as well as allow everyone to get back some or all of their investment. many of us have multiple merc pack BPOs that have no use to us. selling them in the player market would be another option, but since they are no longer available that would be quite a wild-card. not opposed either way but the ability to get rid of something you have multiples of will need to be in place
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 3772	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:51:00 - [153] - Quote I want to sell my dren suits,.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A 388	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:53:00 - [154] - Quote Restrictions to BPO trades or removal of any of my items will make me stop playing and make a ticket asking for my money back. That is all,
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Orion Empire 17	Posted - 2013.10.20 19:00:00 - [155] - Quote I bought the eve online collectors edition because of the BPOs. If CCP removes them.... I will never ever give you money again. You are branded as someone who tricks his customer in my eyes. And no one wants to trade with someone like that. And it let me think of VALKYRIE and EVE Online.... Will you act there the same? Are you so greedy? And what I hate the most. It is your game, your market. Did you that on purpose? I mean you invent BPOs and after a half year (more or less) and even not in beta you' ll see that it is not good for the market... COME ON!!
Guilbert 515 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:01:00 - [156] - Quote Gotta admit even thinking about removal of BPOs is in fact the worse thought ever came into mankinds brains :P These BPOs purchased have an emptional as well as collectors value. And that value would diminish completely if its ristricted to the grade of a BPC, which has less to none value. It also shows that someone used to play this game since beta and supported it from the very beginning. Id rather have it like in eve, where an individual can build unlimited suits with the BPOs for a small sum of resources. And why would you compare your decision with that of a ****** company like apple for christ sake? Just because a company is big and made bugs doesnt mean their decisions make any sence at all. CCP used to be a company that paves the way, not walk the road ****** companies build. Did you recruit personal from apple or EA ? Better get rid of those kind, seriously! I hereby forward a vote of no confidence in whoever had that idea
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 151	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:15:00 - [157] - Quote Personally i see why they need to remove bpo, as they are a loophole in the life cycle of isk. However, completely removing them would be a waste. Allow us to use the bpo as per usual. But it costs us normal iskto make the item. We have skinweave bpo, we make fitting with bpo. Fitting says invalid, because you didn't stock the bpo. Thus in theory, you could stock 400 copies of that sver bpo, and sell them on the market for better than what it cost to produce them, seeing as they are special edition. People keep bpo's, ccp doesn't remove them, thus alleviating people's rage. Tl:dr stfu they'll keep you quiet in due time.
Zalifer Nakamoda Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 82	Posted - 2013.10.20 20:35:00 - [158] - Quote I just want to say that removing BPO's is not at all cool. They were sold to us, and were, for many people, one of the major reasons for purchasing a pack. The money I spend, was for BPO's. To take them away, is not cool. Lock them to the accounts they are on, and don't sell any more, but don't take away the very thing I paid you money for.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 259	Posted - 2013.10.21 07:27:00 - [159] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. Lock them from being traded/sold, problem solved. Then dust can finally move forward(trading). They chose to take advantage, let them sit on em for eternity. Brilliant idea. I like that. Or take it and make it linked to EVE, the way it should be in that it is a production plan. Acquire resources and a manufacturing hub and have them made. Either way, take my BPO's, I leave for sure.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 591	Posted - 2013.10.21 07:54:00 - [160] - Quote does that mean i will lose my skinweaves as well? i fought long and hard for those during the events back in closed beta

Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 149	Posted - 2013.10.21 08:17:00 - [161] - Quote If they went in a route like eve, then i'd be okay with a bpo that is maxed researched because if I remember right, those take months to research if done in highsec. Although, i'd imagine this would not make the majority of bpo holders content. They bought something with the expectation of keeping it as they currently function. I can think of a couple more possible solutions, but in every solution, there will be a population of bpo holders that get screwed. Even if they don't do anything and let them be traded, new comers get screwed because they were never given the chance to buy them and now must pay a couple 100 million isk for a militia/standard item. Although, in time, the bpo's will be left on inactive characters and they will have less and less impact on the economy. In my opinion, this is probably the best way to go as long as they retain their current function and can never be used to mass manufacture them for the market. Although, I think they underestimate the bpo holders because if they are still using them with high sp, then i'd imagine they would be willing to use the free starter fits. They aren't that horrible.
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 376	Posted - 2013.10.21 08:28:00 - [162] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: If they went in a route like eve, then i'd be okay with a bpo that is maxed researched because if I remember right, those take months to research if done in highsec. Although, i'd imagine this would not make the majority of bpo holders content. They bought something with the expectation of keeping it as they currently function. I can think of a couple more possible solutions, but in every solution, there will be a population of bpo holders that get screwed. Even if they don't do anything and let them be traded, new comers get screwed because they were never given the chance to buy them and now must pay a couple 100 million isk for a militia/standard item. Although, in time, the bpo's will be left on inactive characters and they will have less and less impact on the economy. In my opinion, this is probably the best way to go as long as they retain their current function and can never be used to mass manufacture them for the market. Although, I think they underestimate the bpo holders because if they are still using them with high sp, then i'd imagine they would be willing to use the free starter fits. They aren't that horrible. Part of me fears the whole debacle that CCP has to/still deal(s) with concerning tech II BPOs in EVE. However, these BPOs are certainly MUCH different since these just standard versus EVE considerable difference with their BPOs.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 478	Posted - 2013.10.21 09:48:00 - [163] - Quote I looked at how BPOs/BPCs work in Eve and, while I wouldn't mind things working like that in Dust, the change would have to be done gradually. This is for two reasons: (1) It requires many things which are not available to Dust Bunnies at this time and (2) many dust BPO owners would balk at all the work it requires. My suggestion would be to make BPOs something you use to make the suit, weapon, etc. for a small fee to cover material cost. Then you can either use the BPCs yourself or sell them on the market for a profit. I can think of many people who would buy vanity items or weapons and suits that have no skill prerequisites.
Atom Heart Mother Nazionali Senza Filtro 66	Posted - 2013.10.21 11:09:00 - [164] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: One thing to clarify guys: The removal refers to removing any new sources of BPOs. At this stage there are no plans to remove any BPOs from anyone's inventories. We are also looking at whether we want to put in place restrictions to things such as trading and exchange of BPOs. This has not been decided internally, but do be aware this is under discussion. I'll have more details soon, just thought I should cut that concern off at the pass. Do you mean you're going to open free market for players trade soon?
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 43	Posted - 2013.10.21 12:21:00 - [165] - Quote already saved the EULA... the day CCP takes away my blueprints i vow to forever make their lives hell.. they have not suggested that they will nor that they even can in the current terms and conditions. the EULA expresses they're feelings towards maintaining our accounts and the game as a whole.. what they'd be doing would contradict their own terms as lade out in the EULA so if they feel like going back on their own word they could but honestly i think bpos are their biggest seller so for those of you who dont like/use them maybe you should start showing some support for CCP AUR items are useless to me, i'm not soo impatient that i need to have proto suits @ advansed level or whatever weapon/equipment it is but i am so impatient (which is how most of my friends feel too)i refuse to play a game for half a day and still only barely have enough isk to stock up for PC battles... that would be obsurd to change unless CCP bumps pay-grades for public and factional contracts by 3fold at least
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 43	Posted - 2013.10.21 12:25:00 - [166] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: If they went in a route like eve, then i'd be okay with a bpo that is maxed researched because if I remember right, those take months to research if done in highsec. Although, i'd imagine this would not make the majority of bpo holders content. They bought something with the expectation of keeping it as they currently function. .... Although, I think they underestimate the bpo holders because if they are still using them with high sp, then i'd imagine they would be willing to use the free starter fits. They aren't that horrible. i didnt pay hundreds of dollars to use starter fits... that would be a great injustice CCP has a ethical obligation as an international business to uphold their own word and maintain their reputation...
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.10.21 12:50:00 - [167] - Quote Jakobi Wan wrote: Pent'noir wrote: If they went in a route like eve, then i'd be okay with a bpo that is maxed researched because if I remember right, those take months to research if done in highsec. Although, i'd imagine this would not make the majority of bpo holders content. They bought something with the expectation of keeping it as they currently function. .... Although, I think they underestimate the bpo holders because if they are still using them with high sp, then i'd imagine they would be willing to use the free starter fits. They aren't that horrible. i didnt pay hundreds of dollars to use starter fits... that would be a great injustice CCP has a ethical obligation as an international business to uphold their own word and maintain their reputation... I meant as in the effect of the economy if bpo's never existed or they took them away (neglecting backlash). I'm not advocating for them to be gone. I also have bought all the bpo packs.


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