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General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 14:55:00 - [1] - Quote All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think?
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 14:59:00 - [2] - Quote You're welcome
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3986	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:01:00 - [3] - Quote Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1491	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:17:00 - [4] - Quote why not.
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:24:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not. agreed. But there needs to be a "safe" place for randoms to play if CCP ever wants to get a large following.
Cosgar ParagonX 6139	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:33:00 - [6] - Quote The issue is matchmaking, not proto gear. You could put an organized corp of militia gear against proto newberries and it would be a militia stomp.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 86	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:34:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not. That's true, but an organized squad of protos is even worse. Anything that helps with the overall balance and improves the experience in any way for lower level players is VERY important for Dust to keep new people interested and keep it going.
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:37:00 - [8] - Quote nukel head wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not. That's true, but an organized squad of protos is even worse. Anything that helps with the overall balance and improves the experience in any way for lower level players is VERY important for Dust to keep new people interested and keep it going. Yeah. What he said
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:54:00 - [9] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? As someone who actually playes EVE (heresy, I know), the only reason capital-grade warships are not permitted in high-sec is because 0.5-1.0 security space prohibits cynosaural fields from being activated. Capital warships are only able to use jump drives, and thus require a cyno to travel. This still doesn't stop people from suicide ganking and engaging in other similarly "I ruin other people's fun for my fun" activities. It's also important to note that capital and supercapital ships (which require cynos) are the only ones not permitted in highsec areas. It's also worth noting that random unprovoked aggression is punished in highsec by the NPC police CONCORD. Your idea is, unfortunately, terminally flawed.
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 15:57:00 - [10] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? As someone who actually playes EVE (heresy, I know), the only reason capital-grade warships are not permitted in high-sec is because 0.5-1.0 security space prohibits cynosaural fields from being activated. Capital warships are only able to use jump drives, and thus require a cyno to travel. This still doesn't stop people from suicide ganking and engaging in other similarly "I ruin other people's fun for my fun" activities. It's also important to note that capital and supercapital ships (which require cynos) are the only ones not permitted in highsec areas. It's also worth noting that random unprovoked aggression is punished in highsec by the NPC police CONCORD. Your idea is, unfortunately, terminally flawed.

Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 873	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:02:00 - [11] - Quote Once again... Proto Gear is NOT the problem. Proto Gear can even represent the only chance for an average player with 5-10 millions SP to have a decent counter against full squads of maxed-out characters that don't even need Proto Gear because of the full Skill Bonuses they receive. Pulling out a "naked" Duvolle can barely help against a GEK with Level 5 Proficiency... same goes for suits and all the rest. Some of the best players I know and I play with don't use Proto Gear in pub matches. They redline the enemy team in 1 minute because of their amazing skills and organization. Also, their ADV suits are better than my PRO suit, because they have 20-30 millions SP and I'm not even close to those numbers...
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:05:00 - [12] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Once again... Proto Gear is NOT the problem. Proto Gear can even represent the only chance for an average player with 5-10 millions SP to have a decent counter against full squads of maxed-out characters that don't even need Proto Gear because of the full Skill Bonuses they receive. Pulling out a "naked" Duvolle can barely help against a GEK with Level 5 Proficiency... same goes for suits and all the rest. Some of the best players I know and I play with don't use Proto Gear in pub matches. They redline the enemy team in 1 minute because of their amazing skills and organization. Also, their ADV suits are better than my PRO suit, because they have 20-30 millions SP and I'm not even close to those numbers...
General Sideboob Ground Pounders Inc. 124	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:10:00 - [13] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Once again... Proto Gear is NOT the problem. Proto Gear can even represent the only chance for an average player with 5-10 millions SP to have a decent counter against full squads of maxed-out characters that don't even need Proto Gear because of the full Skill Bonuses they receive. Pulling out a "naked" Duvolle can barely help against a GEK with Level 5 Proficiency... same goes for suits and all the rest. Some of the best players I know and I play with don't use Proto Gear in pub matches. They redline the enemy team in 1 minute because of their amazing skills and organization. Also, their ADV suits are better than my PRO suit, because they have 20-30 millions SP and I'm not even close to those numbers... Proto gear is not THE problem, but it is A problem. And there is a simple way to fix it. Lower tier players get stomped in Eve as well, but the stomping is nowhere near as gratuitous as it is in Dust. Why? because more advanced players have other toys to play with in low/null sec. I fail to see how implementing the same type of plan would do anything but improve the Dust experience. Let's say for a moment that we implement this idea, in what ways would it hurt the quality of the game?
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:34:00 - [14] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: Thank you for proving my point. +1 for you. Certain high-end gear is not allowed in high sec. The reason for that is because it would ruin the game. Currently, the Dust experience is being ruined due to high-end gear being used on low-end players. Hmmmmmm. I wonder what we could do about it. Why then don't we simply implement the same policy for Dust? THE POINT<- ................... YOUR HEAD<- I think it's quite obvious you rather missed the point of what I was saying. Mechanically speaking only certain types of ships are not permitted in highsec. This does not prevent people from pulling extremely-high-end Tech 2 or Pirate-faction battleships out in highsec (it's actually common for mission runners (IE, pure PVE'ers) to use such boats). There are very, very, few modules which are not permitted in high, and even lowsec regions (bomb launchers and deployable warp disruptors are pretty much it). You can still, if you have scads of money, sidle up a 2billion+ ISK pirate battleship that very easily whips the dog out of a Tech 1 BS, in the middle of a group of mining barges, and KILL ALL THE THINGS. CONCORD will then come and blap your shiny battleship. Your idea has 2 flaws, as I see it. 1. You have no understanding of mechanical limitations in EVE, and thus make a very poor parallel. 2. You suggest no mechanics for how this might be accomplished. The big reason people don't run amok in incredibly expensive, durable, and killy ships in highsec killing every single noob there is is because CONCORD will blap them every time they do. That's called a "CONSEQUENCE". If people run around griefing noobs, they pretty much get called on it, and a very real penalty is inflicted upon them for doing so. DUST not only doesn't have a basis for such a mechanic, but I can see no method by which it might be implemented. Because of the type of game DUST is, that of a primary lobby-based shooter, the kind of mechanic that would prevent protosquads from, well, protostomping, would either be needlessly convoluted, and flat-out useless.
Zero Roamero NaphBlade 15	Posted - 2013.10.18 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote Well, in that case I hope new players are ready for a new game mode...........because they are going to run into skilled players anyway.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2013.10.18 17:24:00 - [16] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: Templar 514 wrote: General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? As someone who actually playes EVE (heresy, I know), the only reason capital-grade warships are not permitted in high-sec is because 0.5-1.0 security space prohibits cynosaural fields from being activated. Capital warships are only able to use jump drives, and thus require a cyno to travel. This still doesn't stop people from suicide ganking and engaging in other similarly "I ruin other people's fun for my fun" activities. It's also important to note that capital and supercapital ships (which require cynos) are the only ones not permitted in highsec areas. It's also worth noting that random unprovoked aggression is punished in highsec by the NPC police CONCORD. Your idea is, unfortunately, terminally flawed. Thank you for proving my point. +1 for you. Certain high-end gear is not allowed in high sec. The reason for that is because it would ruin the game. Currently, the Dust experience is being ruined due to high-end gear being used on low-end players. Hmmmmmm. I wonder what we could do about it. Why then don't we simply implement the same policy for Dust? Excuse me but that is not ruining the game , the game is being "ruined" by the fact that it's not finished but we still playing it like TEST SUBJECTS. It's not done. it's not balanced out yet. I have mods that I can't put together for instance , why can't I put a heavy shield booster , a heavy shield ,a heavy armor repairer and some heavy armor together on one tank ??? I bet it still can be destroyed in a match. Why when I'm running past a hill , so to speak , the game will pause and place me back at that same hill that I just ran by not only seven seconds ago and make me do it again ???? Why cant I place on a series suit a advance shield extender , advance damage mod , advance armor and armor repairer ??? It says that suit is advanced. It make no sense. Why have these things if they can't be USED TOGETHER ????? I thought that's what they were for !!!!! We get new items and receive posts about people coming off of vacation ... MAN I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT AND THE GAME NEEDS WORK. WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? People putting up post about what's wrong and they get NO response ... not even a " we're working on that issue" or "thanks for your imput and we will look into that" , I mean humor me at least. Keep releasing new items to get money or new packs for YOU to spend YOUR MONEY on but ignore the issues. Putting profit over the problems. New producers or whatever but the same results and I haven't been here nearly a third as long as most of you. AND I CAN SEE !!!! THAT'S THE REAL REASON PEOPLE LEAVE !!!! I HAVE SEEN THE POST FROM EX-PLAYERS !!!!! This is what they talk about and about how much fun they are having playing these new - finished games on the market. Me I can't see myself ( an example ) buying battlefield fifteen at seventy dollars a pop and I can't play battlefield seven anymore because the server isn't active anymore. Every year shelling out money for basically the same game but with A FEW new twists added to collect your money. This seems like the same ballgame though. New releases but the same problems that different people speak about. Maybe this is just the NEW BUSINESS MODLE where the consumer is just a number. Sacrificing quality for quantity.
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 93	Posted - 2013.10.18 17:32:00 - [17] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? Proto Gear alone isn't what causes Pubstomping When a full of squad of good, experienced players enters a game with blueberries, they will murder them every time regardless of gear. And it's intended in Dust that two evenly matched teams can risk as much or as little ISK on the battlefield as they want, depending on how badly they want to win. Better solutions for pubstomping would be: - Sort games by level of SP - Restrict squad size in public matches Or a combination of those 2
Denn Maell PIanet Express 12	Posted - 2013.10.18 17:35:00 - [18] - Quote Using proto in pub matches is still occasionally restrictive simply because its more expensive than cheaper equipment. A less intrusive way to go about doing this is to adjust the rewards in a tier fashion with Hi sec offering the worst and Null Offering the best, and then giving players an opportunity to choose (or perhaps 'earn') which tier they want to compete in. In this way it would be a mark of personal pride to earn 8+ mil skill points so you can go head to head with the proto users in Null Sec battles.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 420	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:20:00 - [19] - Quote good squads can dominate in battle. but if u were to take away that expensive gear that they use against the mlt newberries they r a lot less effective.. meaning that they cant stop as much and it would be a bit harder for them as well.. u take away lots of their damage and hp output by taking away that precious proto gear. because the restrictions on what they can use on their downgraded suit have increased and so that cant fit much to make themselves a lot stronger than the newberries they normally stomp. which means that they would be easier to kill by the group of randoms. and this is the goal of the gear restriction. its to make the proto gear users weaker. it lessens the gap between high sp proto gear players and low sp mlt gear players.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1224	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:35:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not. Squads of STD v. STD Bluedots have a small chance. Squads of PRO v. STD Bluedots have a small chance if you have Chuck ******* Norris on your team. See how this would fix the majority of the issue.

ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 10	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote GREAT IDEA ! But all you corps need to keep in mind that your not better then any Faction player Or public player Corporation really doesn't mean anything , I play faction all the time . I cant believe that there's advanced players playing with the new people in public contracts if you are your ******* horrible and deserve to have your account deleted . Because your taking advantage of new players .
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 10	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:56:00 - [22] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Excuse me but that is not ruining the game , the game is being "ruined" by the fact that it's not finished but we still are playing it like TEST SUBJECTS. It's not done. it's not balanced out yet. I have mods that I can't put together for instance , why can't I put a heavy shield booster , a heavy shield , a heavy armor repairer and some heavy armor together on one tank ??? I bet it still can be destroyed in a match. Why when I'm running past a hill , so to speak , the game will pause and place me back at that same hill that I just ran by not only seven seconds ago and make me do it again ???? Why cant I place on a series suit a advance shield extender , advance damage mod , advance armor and armor repairer ??? It says that suit is advanced. It make no sense. Why have these things if they can't be USED TOGETHER ????? I thought that's what they were for !!!!! We get new items and receive posts about people coming off of vacation ... MAN I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT AND THE GAME NEEDS WORK. WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? People putting up post about what's wrong and they get NO response ... not even a " we're working on that issue" or "thanks for your imput and we will look into that" , I mean humor me at least. Keep releasing new items to get money or new packs for YOU to spend YOUR MONEY on but ignore the issues. Putting profit over the problems. New producers or whatever but the same results and I haven't been here nearly a third as long as most of you. AND I CAN SEE !!!! THAT'S THE REAL REASON PEOPLE LEAVE !!!! I HAVE SEEN THE POST FROM EX-PLAYERS !!!!! This is what they talk about and about how much fun they are having playing these new - finished games on the market. Me , I can't see myself ( an example ) buying battlefield fifteen at seventy dollars a pop and I can't play battlefield seven anymore because the server isn't active anymore. Every year shelling out money for basically the same game but with A FEW new twists added to collect your money. This seems like the same ballgame though. New releases but the same problems that different people speak about. Maybe this is just the NEW BUSINESS MODLE where the consumer is just a number. Sacrificing quality for quantity. I'm going to see if the people of CCP stand on there word or are they just like the rest who build up their name only to forget about how they got to the top and the people who made it happen. THE CONSUMERS !!!! Yeah the programmers get the credit and rightfully so. You can have the credit , if you can give me something worth taking credit for. This game is ever evolving and developing new things and the people who work on it are VERY CREATIVE , this reminds me of Star Wars , so to say with the creativity. They got me hooked , just don't throw me back. Yo this so real man this needs to be sticky-ed , and framed . Your right though this is the way the gaming industry is now days its because they let females into it remember back in the good old days when games where really games and no females was playing ???? Now look at it now girls are playing they are using SEX TO SELL ** TO US and its crap because most of the people that buy into there crap isnt even gamers i bet you get this comment more then anything " Its just a game " its never just a game i put my life time into playing this i could be making money *** your sister or many other things then playing a ** game that the developers dont have any intention on fixing .
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 335	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:29:00 - [23] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? While I feel your frustration, Maybe a militia-only or Meta level 2-only Game mode would be less punitive to those who have played and supported the game.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2163	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:48:00 - [24] - Quote Not gonna happen.. why? because what is the point of proto gear if you can't use it? You would kill the market for proto level aurum items as well as boosters. You can't 'proto for PC only' cause PC matches just aren't that often. I advocated no proto in pubs for a long time. However, this is more than a game, its a business. They need to provide incentive for people to want that proto gear, and banning it from pubs is not creating incentive. If they did a no-proto match option... it would have to have insultingly low payouts... somewhere around 15k per match or so I would think.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 80	Posted - 2013.10.18 22:41:00 - [25] - Quote No,this wouldn't be a good idea,if they want a safe place theirs the merc quarter
Madd Plight Mango and Friends 0	Posted - 2013.10.19 05:18:00 - [26] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not. agreed. But there needs to be a "safe" place for randoms to play if CCP ever wants to get a large following. there definitely has to be a more intelligent match-making system. I mean its all about having fun in the end right?
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 912	Posted - 2013.10.19 14:33:00 - [27] - Quote This isn't a solution. Punishining players for getting the SP and ISK to run full proto is not a good method, these players have earned their gear made friends of equal standing and game with them. This is Dust514. Tiered fights of 1-5m SP, 5-10, 10+ would be more ideal. A n asault player with 20million SP wearing MLT or even the original starter fit, will still **** faces.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 878	Posted - 2013.10.19 15:53:00 - [28] - Quote Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players.
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.10.19 16:52:00 - [29] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players. ^THIS. This guy gets it. If we have the matchmaking match more squad vs squad and solo vs solo, then pubstomping will be reduced SO MUCH. I think the only flaw in this is that the current playercounts make it somewhat difficult for the MM to consistently (or, well, ever) put together a match that's 99% squads of dudes on both sides. I've been in a few "all random, all the time" matches since the new MM came out, but it gets more and more rare every time I play. Half of that is probably the squad finder though.
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 11	Posted - 2013.10.19 17:07:00 - [30] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Not gonna happen.. why? because what is the point of proto gear if you can't use it? You would kill the market for proto level aurum items as well as boosters. You can't 'proto for PC only' cause PC matches just aren't that often. I advocated no proto in pubs for a long time. However, this is more than a game, its a business. They need to provide incentive for people to want that proto gear, and banning it from pubs is not creating incentive. If they did a no-proto match option... it would have to have insultingly low payouts... somewhere around 15k per match or so I would think. Its thinking like this that have ruined the gaming industry For Real Gamers and Real Game creators . To say " this is more then a game , its a buisness" that tells me your young and by young i mean under the age of 26 , And on top of that it tells me your not a real gamer because thats not what games and gaming is all about now days these people only care about there money and the " business" and dumb ass children support it so that leaves Real Gamers like myself with crap like this and aflock of idiots to play with im totally against buying **** for games Pay- To Win - Pay To Play . The soul of gaming left back in 2005 - 2006 .

ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 11	Posted - 2013.10.19 17:13:00 - [31] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players. ^THIS. This guy gets it. If we have the matchmaking match more squad vs squad and solo vs solo, then pubstomping will be reduced SO MUCH. I think the only flaw in this is that the current playercounts make it somewhat difficult for the MM to consistently (or, well, ever) put together a match that's 99% squads of dudes on both sides. I've been in a few "all random, all the time" matches since the new MM came out, but it gets more and more rare every time I play. Half of that is probably the squad finder though. Your both stupid and dont know ** if you think that buying your gear doesnt do anything for you my fuking goodness im not even gonna say anything else to this sh!t , just go fuking look at the damage and shield and what not . You know how fuking long it takes to play with proto gear without buying the and once i started playing with protogear my game went up and i didnt buy im OG gamer , not a purchase baby . Think about what you say before you type that ** .
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 11	Posted - 2013.10.19 17:22:00 - [32] - Quote AND ANOTHER THING Im sure no one else notice this but ccp have there money making scams , And i notice one of them ill tell you . Now this is to the poeple that dont buy there skill , This is for real gamers . Ever notice when you upgrade some ** how right after that you get placed with a team of complete fukcing losers ? Hmm i wonder why is that its so you feel like your not really making any progress but you will notice you made little when you shoot them or use your new skill but i guarantee you will lose the battle ( faction public, not talking about the corp and squad babys cause you should win if you go into a pub with ur team everytime ) . I'll say that again when you upgrade your skills even if you have been winning the last 50+ matchs the next match after you upgrade will *** be like playing with *** babys i notice this some time ago. That right there is a money ploy , to make a person buy there but i wont what i do is ***** sit back and watch the team lose and do nothing or i leave in most case's . The Owl See's At Night CCP ~ Illusion
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 881	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:20:00 - [33] - Quote ILLUSIONxox wrote: Templar 514 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players. ^THIS. This guy gets it. If we have the matchmaking match more squad vs squad and solo vs solo, then pubstomping will be reduced SO MUCH. I think the only flaw in this is that the current playercounts make it somewhat difficult for the MM to consistently (or, well, ever) put together a match that's 99% squads of dudes on both sides. I've been in a few "all random, all the time" matches since the new MM came out, but it gets more and more rare every time I play. Half of that is probably the squad finder though. Your both stupid and dont know ** if you think that buying your gear doesnt do anything for you my fuking goodness im not even gonna say anything else to this sh!t , just go fuking look at the damage and shield and what not . You know how fuking long it takes to play with proto gear without buying the and once i started playing with protogear my game went up and i didnt buy im OG gamer , not a purchase baby . Think about what you say before you type that ** . Someone's obviously butthurt. Clearly you have no idea how to even handle yourself in a discussion. No one is going to take you seriously when you just hurl insults at everyone while sounding like some prepubescent kid.
Ferindar Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 69	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:33:00 - [34] - Quote I'll just keep sniping protos in my STD suit... Though there was a time once, in Line Drive, I was scampering up a hill. Got stuck and turned around to watch my back as I regenerated stamina. Proto spotted me and started shooting. BLAP! headshot. His proto buddy came by to needle him, BLAP, HEADSHOT. Did all this with just a C27 Sniper Rifle (Adv level 3 sniper) I wonder what'll happen if I get proto gear.. 50-0 Match KDR? Since Proto gear is -so- godlike.. /sarcasm
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1065	Posted - 2013.10.19 19:52:00 - [35] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070 This fixes it.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 82	Posted - 2013.10.19 20:20:00 - [36] - Quote ILLUSIONxox wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Not gonna happen.. why? because what is the point of proto gear if you can't use it? You would kill the market for proto level aurum items as well as boosters. You can't 'proto for PC only' cause PC matches just aren't that often. I advocated no proto in pubs for a long time. However, this is more than a game, its a business. They need to provide incentive for people to want that proto gear, and banning it from pubs is not creating incentive. If they did a no-proto match option... it would have to have insultingly low payouts... somewhere around 15k per match or so I would think. Its thinking like this that have ruined the gaming industry For Real Gamers and Real Game creators . To say " this is more then a game , its a buisness" that tells me your young and by young i mean under the age of 26 , And on top of that it tells me your not a real gamer because thats not what games and gaming is all about now days these people only care about there money and the " business" and dumb ass children support it so that leaves Real Gamers like myself with crap like this and aflock of idiots to play with im totally against buying **** for games Pay- To Win - Pay To Play . The soul of gaming left back in 2005 - 2006 . Tell ya what, I'm sure they'll listen to ya when you pay their phone,car,insurance, food. Electric, cable,internet bills but till then this is how they suppoet their families.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.10.19 21:17:00 - [37] - Quote ILLUSIONxox wrote: [quote=Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui] Yo this so real man this needs to be sticky-ed , and framed . Your right though this is the way the gaming industry is now days its because they let females into it remember back in the good old days when games where really games and no females was playing ???? Now look at it now girls are playing they are using SEX TO SELL ** TO US and its crap because most of the people that buy into there crap isnt even gamers i bet you get this comment more then anything " Its just a game " its never just a game i put my life time into playing this i could be making money *** your sister or many other things then playing a ** game that the developers dont have any intention on fixing . If you frame those words then you need to add your words to what I said because IT IS TRUE !!!!! I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADMITTING IT EITHER. I feel the same way because I could be doing something else ... if it was , " just a game" ... I mean I could do something that I can MAKE money from not another thing that's helping me to spend it. Women have always looked for a , " place at the table " but they don't understand that REAL MEN have always had that place set for them. The first thing they would say is , " what are you intimidated by a woman ??? " and I would say , " no I just know what I want and you would just screw it up if I listen TOTALLY to you." I value their opinion but not in EVERYTHING and ALL WALKS OF MY LIFE. I love my mother , wife , women , and my daughters , but I'm a man and men know what to do and what they are doing. I could go on but it would sound like I'm bashing them , but I LOVE THEM , but also everyone has a role to play and a place for themselves and people need to know their role. Thank you for your comment.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 252	Posted - 2013.10.19 23:58:00 - [38] - Quote .... so you haven't solved it you just requested it.
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 13	Posted - 2013.10.20 00:08:00 - [39] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: ILLUSIONxox wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Not gonna happen.. why? because what is the point of proto gear if you can't use it? You would kill the market for proto level aurum items as well as boosters. You can't 'proto for PC only' cause PC matches just aren't that often. I advocated no proto in pubs for a long time. However, this is more than a game, its a business. They need to provide incentive for people to want that proto gear, and banning it from pubs is not creating incentive. If they did a no-proto match option... it would have to have insultingly low payouts... somewhere around 15k per match or so I would think. Its thinking like this that have ruined the gaming industry For Real Gamers and Real Game creators . To say " this is more then a game , its a buisness" that tells me your young and by young i mean under the age of 26 , And on top of that it tells me your not a real gamer because thats not what games and gaming is all about now days these people only care about there money and the " business" and dumb ass children support it so that leaves Real Gamers like myself with crap like this and aflock of idiots to play with im totally against buying ** for games Pay- To Win - Pay To Play . The soul of gaming left back in 2005 - 2006 . Tell ya what, I'm sure they'll listen to ya when you pay their phone,car,insurance, food. Electric, cable,internet bills but till then this is how they suppoet their families. i'll tell YOU WHAT if you wanna on gaming because you see it as a quick way to make money go get another job because this industry isnt ..........well wasnt about money , The creator loved to make and play his games just as much as the gamer . Now we are being called consumers instead of gamers , And its a business first . I dont care about there family and all that and that has nothing to do with me when you get into this business you should adapt and have a lose and passion for it. A passion so strong you would make it for free and if you make people pay atleast fix it CCP is getting the money but there not fixing on anything there not giving feedback to the fans there not taking what we say here serious . Its as if a female would become a stripper but she hates men touching her ............. WTF thats so ***** stupid . And here you would come by arguing for the b.i.t.c.h saying well she has bills and kids fuk you.
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 13	Posted - 2013.10.20 00:12:00 - [40] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: ILLUSIONxox wrote: Templar 514 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players. ^THIS. This guy gets it. If we have the matchmaking match more squad vs squad and solo vs solo, then pubstomping will be reduced SO MUCH. I think the only flaw in this is that the current playercounts make it somewhat difficult for the MM to consistently (or, well, ever) put together a match that's 99% squads of dudes on both sides. I've been in a few "all random, all the time" matches since the new MM came out, but it gets more and more rare every time I play. Half of that is probably the squad finder though. Your both stupid and dont know ** if you think that buying your gear doesnt do anything for you my fuking goodness im not even gonna say anything else to this sh!t , just go fuking look at the damage and shield and what not . You know how fuking long it takes to play with proto gear without buying the and once i started playing with protogear my game went up and i didnt buy im OG gamer , not a purchase baby . Think about what you say before you type that ** . Someone's obviously butthurt. Clearly you have no idea how to even handle yourself in a discussion. No one is going to take you seriously when you just hurl insults at everyone while sounding like some prepubescent kid. says a kid with a name like " Funkmaster Whale " and using the slang butthurt ....smh

Chewbacca Walker WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 1	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:31:00 - [41] - Quote You're fooling yourself if you think it's the Fit that's beating you. The best solution to all these "game balance" complaints is find a squad and squad up. Dust was not intended to be played alone. Ultimately, a skilled squad using good tactics can defeat any one player, no matter what gear they're running. I think most people posting " [Insert Weapon or Suit] needs to be Nerfed" is simply a reflection of whatever suit or weapon killed them last!
ILLUSIONxox RAINING HEAVY'S 16	Posted - 2013.10.25 11:21:00 - [42] - Quote Chewbacca Walker wrote: You're fooling yourself if you think it's the Fit that's beating you. The best solution to all these "game balance" complaints is find a squad and squad up. Dust was not intended to be played alone. Ultimately, a skilled squad using good tactics can defeat any one player, no matter what gear they're running. I think most people posting " [Insert Weapon or Suit] needs to be Nerfed" is simply a reflection of whatever suit or weapon killed them last! Well your thinking worng , because me alone have won alot of matchs. Answer this smart guy HOW does one force dumb as.s no0bs 4life to join a squad i started ??? It cant be done and the reason i made this post is because its a fact and it shouldnt be allowed for a normal player like that to have so much fukingg armor and there not a heavy . If i wasnt playing as a heavy it wouldnt be so bad but i was playing as a heavy and as a heavy you are slowed down alot and you cant run to all the areas and do all the work for the team . And people wonder the ** why there's so many rage'ers and complaints about this game its because no one listens and really care to win or even play or work as a team . I remember being in faction public and i was hacking my second letter A,B at the start of the match and then these guys came down right behind me from a drop ship like 5 mutherfuck.ers and one was a heavy and of course the rest had overpowered assalt rifles and they killed me cause i was alone, I fuc.king left immediatly cause i knew they where a corp i checked to make sure and i was right So i left battle and thats whati do now . Im also about to start leaveing earlier then that if i dont see the team im going into battle with have atleast one sqaud with 5 members im ***** leaving at the start . Dropsuits are to damn high for me to be wasitng like that and im not a selfish player who only goes out to make wip for himself and say "fuk the team dude oh yeah totally bro "
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 909	Posted - 2013.10.25 11:25:00 - [43] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? I agree to this for pubs but not fw.
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 55	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:07:00 - [44] - Quote I had this idea of generating a formula for determining maybe 3 levels of matchmaking criteria. You cant just base it on SP. Set 3 defined levels and use a formula to have scotty match up games accordingly. Scotty is already a pain so more than 3 would clog things up even more. SP * KDR First tier game would be anyone with a number under 4 million. Second tier would be 4-10 million Third is everyone else. There would be matchmaking issues with squads of mixed levels so just have scotty bump them if they have an inappropriate squad composition. You could really even drop the mid tier probably. Thoughts?
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 433	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:20:00 - [45] - Quote why not just make a simple gear restriction. in the form of search parameters. such as mlt only. then all the way up to proto. lower tiers being accepted into the higher tiers. and then there can be a mode where its adv only std only or proto only. all of these possible to be configured by the players. if search times are taking to long u widen the search parameters. i think this could just be for pub matches though. so in short every1 can be happy. pub stompers who love stomping could get to stomp mlt newberries who want to try and feel brave by going into the mlt- proto match. players who want a "challenge" could select a proto only mode. and while this goes down majority of the (insert word of choice here) can still complain about something that would no longer be a massive problematic issue. as this would give those mlt newberries a chance to do something other than get slaughtered in our common matches. so in a way every1 would win. but seeing this great perfect idea gets shotdown by biased ppl so many times. i can expect a 100% chance of trolls below this post..
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 751	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:31:00 - [46] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? i'm guessing you didn't use the search engine before you posted this. it's not a bad idea, but I don't think that limiting gear is the way ccp will handle it.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 93	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:26:00 - [47] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? Proto Gear alone isn't what causes Pubstomping When a full of squad of good, experienced players enters a game with blueberries, they will murder them every time regardless of gear. And it's intended in Dust that two evenly matched teams can risk as much or as little ISK on the battlefield as they want, depending on how badly they want to win. Better solutions for pubstomping would be: - Sort games by level of SP - Restrict squad size in public matches Or a combination of those 2 Also try to balance squad on one side with squad on another. Having two full squads on one team "matched" against almost total blueberries on the other is not going to end well. When I can look at the roster before the match starts and call it without knowing anything at all about any of the players it seems like we missed something somewhere.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 93	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:52:00 - [48] - Quote ILLUSIONxox wrote: GREAT IDEA ! But all you corps need to keep in mind that your not better then any Faction player Or public player Corporation really doesn't mean anything , I play faction all the time . I cant believe that there's advanced players playing with the new people in public contracts if you are your ******* horrible and deserve to have your account deleted . Because your taking advantage of new players . Couldn't have put it better myself.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 93	Posted - 2013.10.31 17:01:00 - [49] - Quote Everyone can agree that proto gear is not "THE" problem, but running into a skilled player that is also sporting equipment that is far superior to what the new player has access too is way over the top. This is a multi-cause problem, but why is there so much proto usage in pub anyway? Using proto gear in pub matches is ridiculous. I have over 14 mil sp and haven't skilled much of anything to the proto level. I have on a few weapon classes for the skill perks which gives an advantage all its own as has already been stated. Because of that I mostly run STD level gear. I jump up to ADV when I come across try hard squads that are all decked out in proto swag in pub matches. For a long time I enjoyed killing them to cost them ISK, but it has just gotten old. There are too many PUB matches where that tactic is used and is effective at crushing newbs. The academy is a good example. I have created several new characters and gone into the academy to see what is there and help new players. There are other skilled players in there, but it is actually MORE FUN for new players because the equipment superiority is removed and players are on a more even playing field. Most of them quit shortly after getting out of the academy. Beyond the equipment there is still the team matching problems. Queue synching seems to be a big deal and in my opinion is even worse than proto stomping. It takes a lot of effort to try to stack a team like that. Are the newbs really that intimidating? Maybe it's just me, but I have been unimpressed and disappointed by the lack of class of most EVE/Dust veterans. Not all, but an unfortunately large amount.
nukel head Knights of No Republic 94	Posted - 2013.11.04 22:20:00 - [50] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust? Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? I agree to this for pubs but not fw. That could also give more relevance to FW and create more of a distinction from pub matches. I don't think most players in there understand what the difference is at all. By this suggestion you would have pub matches as the more entry level, FW as the mid range more advanced fighters and squads, and PC for the serious teams and corps.

AK Cyberdemon Red Star. EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.11.04 22:40:00 - [51] - Quote It's not the gear that is the problem it is the teamwork. You can take down a proto player 1vs1, but they always have a good team to protect each other. If you have a good team who works well together, you don't have to worry about protostomping. If you ever played against an organized team they will run in 3's or 4's. This isn't call of duty where a single person can take down an entire squad by himself.
Crimson Judgment Rogue Spades EoN. 134	Posted - 2013.11.04 23:10:00 - [52] - Quote can someone explain high sec and low sec and anything related to it to me because your idea just gave me an idea of how to stop it but in need some info Well maybe it is stupid but it's also Dumb -Patrick Star-
nukel head Knights of No Republic 96	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:44:00 - [53] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Once again... Proto Gear is NOT the problem. Proto Gear can even represent the only chance for an average player with 5-10 millions SP to have a decent counter against full squads of maxed-out characters that don't even need Proto Gear because of the full Skill Bonuses they receive. Pulling out a "naked" Duvolle can barely help against a GEK with Level 5 Proficiency... same goes for suits and all the rest. Some of the best players I know and I play with don't use Proto Gear in pub matches. They redline the enemy team in 1 minute because of their amazing skills and organization. Also, their ADV suits are better than my PRO suit, because they have 20-30 millions SP and I'm not even close to those numbers... Then what would be the problem with removing it from pub matches?
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 337	Posted - 2013.11.05 14:52:00 - [54] - Quote I definitely support the notion of restricting suits based on contract type. We have it in Eve and we can have it in Dust. In Eve too the character's and the player's skills both add to the advantage that Vets have over new players, that doesn't mean ship restrictions in Eve are bad and it doesn't mean suit restrictions are bad for Dust.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 214	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:02:00 - [55] - Quote More players problem solved. when we have it all the playerbase will raise and this will all be forgotten. ( pve,suits,DS, nullsec, inpact on eve, industry)
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 578	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:29:00 - [56] - Quote General Sideboob wrote: All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense. No, no it doesn't... General Sideboob wrote: In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment. That's completely different. Prototype gear is not analogous to capital ships, and the reason certain modules can't be activated in high-sec is to prevent massive griefing. The actual counterpart to Prototype would be Tech II, which is definitely NOT prohibited from high-sec. General Sideboob wrote: Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think? It's a horrible idea. It limits player freedom. Humanity is the personification of change.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 450	Posted - 2013.11.05 15:59:00 - [57] - Quote currently dust is somewhat like a lobby shooter. a gear restriction in the form of search parameters will work fine. it will not limit the players freedom it will give them a choice between. join this battle to get stomped into the ground over and over again. or join this battle thats more evenly matched as every1 is using the same class of gear. it will remove the perception of the god fits and everything and hopefully balance alot of gameplay perspective out. i dont see it as "limiting freedom." it would be like customizing your own battles. lower tiers would be allowed to join higher tiers on the search parameters as well. it really just helps the newberries out more. and so why shouldnt this be allowed? _____________________________________________________________ its always the fit.... when it comes to proto.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1713	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:44:00 - [58] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: and so why shouldnt this be allowed? _____________________________________________________________ its always the fit.... when it comes to proto. What would it do when you got into a match that had a max meta level of 5 and you tried spawning in proto? Would those just be marked invalid? As long as there is a good enforcement mechanism then it'd be fine.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1450	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:08:00 - [59] - Quote I earned my proto gear and I deserve to use it whenever I want. Don't ban proto from pubs, just create an alternate game mode that's MLT/basic only _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 309	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:22:00 - [60] - Quote This thread is funny because there's event based on protostomping coming up. I usually run adv but during that time I'l earn me some black eagle scouts. The thing that makes proto suits op is the fact that people are afraid of them. The losing team will hide from the fight never returning fire when they come face to face with one, or "troll" fight them in their cheapest fits. "huck huck huck I got that protosuit with my militia grenade huck huck". How to play the game is up to you, but don't complain about gear if the fight gets too tough. Grimm Grimm! \ Youtube Channel Recruiter Link



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