Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not.

Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not.

That's true, but an organized squad of protos is even worse. Anything that helps with the overall balance and improves the experience in any way for lower level players is VERY important for Dust to keep new people interested and keep it going.

All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense.

In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment.

Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust?

Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think?

As someone who actually playes EVE (heresy, I know), the only reason capital-grade warships are not permitted in high-sec is because 0.5-1.0 security space prohibits cynosaural fields from being activated. Capital warships are only able to use jump drives, and thus require a cyno to travel.

This still doesn't stop people from suicide ganking and engaging in other similarly "I ruin other people's fun for my fun" activities.

It's also important to note that capital and supercapital ships (which require cynos) are the only ones not permitted in highsec areas. It's also worth noting that random unprovoked aggression is punished in highsec by the NPC police CONCORD. Your idea is, unfortunately, terminally flawed.

Once again... Proto Gear is NOT the problem.

Proto Gear can even represent the only chance for an average player with 5-10 millions SP to have a decent counter against full squads of maxed-out characters that don't even need Proto Gear because of the full Skill Bonuses they receive.

Pulling out a "naked" Duvolle can barely help against a GEK with Level 5 Proficiency... same goes for suits and all the rest.

Some of the best players I know and I play with don't use Proto Gear in pub matches. They redline the enemy team in 1 minute because of their amazing skills and organization. Also, their ADV suits are better than my PRO suit, because they have 20-30 millions SP and I'm not even close to those numbers...

Thank you for proving my point. +1 for you. Certain high-end gear is not allowed in high sec. The reason for that is because it would ruin the game. Currently, the Dust experience is being ruined due to high-end gear being used on low-end players. Hmmmmmm. I wonder what we could do about it.

Why then don't we simply implement the same policy for Dust?

Thank you for proving my point. +1 for you. Certain high-end gear is not allowed in high sec. The reason for that is because it would ruin the game. Currently, the Dust experience is being ruined due to high-end gear being used on low-end players. Hmmmmmm. I wonder what we could do about it.

Why then don't we simply implement the same policy for Dust?

All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense.

In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment.

Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust?

Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think?

Organised squads will still stomp randoms, proto gear or not.

Excuse me but that is not ruining the game , the game is being "ruined" by the fact that it's not finished but we still are playing it like TEST SUBJECTS. It's not done. it's not balanced out yet. I have mods that I can't put together for instance , why can't I put a heavy shield booster , a heavy shield , a heavy armor repairer and some heavy armor together on one tank ??? I bet it still can be destroyed in a match. Why when I'm running past a hill , so to speak , the game will pause and place me back at that same hill that I just ran by not only seven seconds ago and make me do it again ???? Why cant I place on a series suit a advance shield extender , advance damage mod , advance armor and armor repairer ??? It says that suit is advanced.

It make no sense. Why have these things if they can't be USED TOGETHER ????? I thought that's what they were for !!!!! We get new items and receive posts about people coming off of vacation ... MAN I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT AND THE GAME NEEDS WORK. WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? People putting up post about what's wrong and they get NO response ... not even a " we're working on that issue" or "thanks for your imput and we will look into that" , I mean humor me at least.

Keep releasing new items to get money or new packs for YOU to spend YOUR MONEY on but ignore the issues. Putting profit over the problems. New producers or whatever but the same results and I haven't been here nearly a third as long as most of you. AND I CAN SEE !!!! THAT'S THE REAL REASON PEOPLE LEAVE !!!! I HAVE SEEN THE POST FROM EX-PLAYERS !!!!! This is what they talk about and about how much fun they are having playing these new - finished games on the market.

Me , I can't see myself ( an example ) buying battlefield fifteen at seventy dollars a pop and I can't play battlefield seven anymore because the server isn't active anymore. Every year shelling out money for basically the same game but with A FEW new twists added to collect your money. This seems like the same ballgame though. New releases but the same problems that different people speak about. Maybe this is just the NEW BUSINESS MODLE where the consumer is just a number. Sacrificing quality for quantity. I'm going to see if the people of CCP stand on there word or are they just like the rest who build up their name only to forget about how they got to the top and the people who made it happen. THE CONSUMERS !!!! Yeah the programmers get the credit and rightfully so. You can have the credit , if you can give me something worth taking credit for.

This game is ever evolving and developing new things and the people who work on it are VERY CREATIVE , this reminds me of Star Wars , so to say with the creativity. They got me hooked , just don't throw me back.

All CCP needs to do is block proto gear from public matches the same way they block certain types of ships from high sec space. There is already a precedent for it in Eve, so it really kind of makes sense.

In Eve, lesser players can engage in combat in High sec. without having to worry about the other fleet bringing in a Titan or certain types of high end equipment.

Why not simply follow the same plan for Dust?

Personally, I fail to see any down side to this, but what do you think?

agreed. But there needs to be a "safe" place for randoms to play if CCP ever wants to get a large following.

Proto gear doesn't magically make you a 10+ KD player. You're gonna get stomped by people who are better and more organized than you regardless of what gear they're wearing. The matchmaking simply needs to do a better job of pitting squads vs. squads and solo players vs. solo players.

Not gonna happen.. why? because what is the point of proto gear if you can't use it? You would kill the market for proto level aurum items as well as boosters.

You can't 'proto for PC only' cause PC matches just aren't that often.

I advocated no proto in pubs for a long time. However, this is more than a game, its a business. They need to provide incentive for people to want that proto gear, and banning it from pubs is not creating incentive.

If they did a no-proto match option... it would have to have insultingly low payouts... somewhere around 15k per match or so I would think.