Seeing is how Stealth is most OP thing is FPS and Cloaks are OP in other titles; they can stay on the backburner.

Seeing is how Stealth is most OP thing is FPS and Cloaks are OP in other titles; they can stay on the backburner.

As OP as an Assault Rifle that can one shot Scouts from 100 meters? As OP as Medium Suits who have 4x the eHP of Scouts who can do everything we can do only better? No? Then STFU... Scouts need a role and an edge that cannot be mimicked by any other class.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

My personal opinions on cloaking devices:

Cloak should be for SCOUT class dropsuits ONLY

Ideally, I would like it to be built into the suits, however, if not viable then the cloak should fit into the equipment slot(give Scouts an extra equipment slot and CPU/PG boost as well please)

Cloak should have a maximum time amount used, meaning you can't stay cloaked forever. Give it something like a 30 second cool down too.

Cloak should allow people to be fully invisible while standing still, however, should look like the predator while moving

Firing a gun instantly decloaks you, however, using a Nova Knife does not

A piece of equipment that gives a Merc the ability to shoot at someone unsuspecting in the back of the head is OP.
Scouts sacrifice HP for speed and more stealth. They are the opposite of Heavy. To give them a cloak so they can ambush and instakill anything is over the top.

Giving them something that has no defense or counter is as OP as it gets. Stealth is the most OP thing FPS and the thing people b*tch about the most.

Talk to HAV users how deadly stealth is. They have 1000s of HP but still get owned by one guy with a Militia Swarm because the HAV can't see the attacker. This is a glitch, but it still shows just how OP cloaks will be.

You are:

A: ignorant as to how cloaking is supposed to work.

B: assuming how it will work.

Please don't post things like that unless you're caught up on your info.

Is this thread not entirely speculation and guessing? He's just voicing his opinion like everyone else in here.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

Indeed and I'm all for constructive criticism but he's doing nothing but trying to start an argument with false information.

We have no information available to us to judge whether his post is false or not. For all we know he could be spot-on and scouts become the new FotM, or he couldn't be farther from the truth and should be beaten.

I'm just saying that he is bringing up some points that should be taken into consideration (I should state that I'm all for cloaks, btw).

I'm saying his information is false due to information gained from the devblog in which cloaking features are mentioned and statments from the devs such as:

Having a timer

Being equipment, making shooting while cloaked impossible

Being deactivated through damage, flux as well.

And other such things.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

[Infiltrator Cloak]
1. Disguises you as the enemy by changing the color of your chevron.
2. Can be countered with a strong enough active scanner.
3. Active for a few minutes or until found out by an active scanner.
4. Cool Down Period

I must've missed that devblog. Withdrawn.

The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear.

Rather than a cloak, that seems more like some kind of TACNET hacking E-War equipment.

Changed.

I'm just saying that he is bringing up some points that should be taken into consideration (I should state that I'm all for cloaks, btw).

I actually like this idea.

The problem is that it would only work once. Because the next time I see you I'm going to know who you are, either by your suit type or name, if I don't already just know your name from the kill board.

This is a terrible idea, especially if you are a well known player.

Works well enough for the Spies in TF2 though. Would be absolutely glorious equipment to have if we ever get larger matches, e.g. 64vs64.

The problem is that it would only work once. Because the next time I see you I'm going to know who you are, either by your suit type or name, if I don't already just know your name from the kill board.

This is a terrible idea, especially if you are a well known player.

Needs to be some counter other than active scanner if implemented, or heavies without an equipment slot would be free WP (as if they aren't already)

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

Cloaks should probably use an equipment slot

Instead, the cloak would provide an active camouflage effect; actively changing the users' dropsuit color based on the surrounding area (what color ground they're standing on, etc) and attempting to break up their silhouette with up to 25% actual transparency (similar to menu transparency in many video games. Example: Skyrim). The amount of transparency could possibly start at 15%, then being affected by trained skills, with a maximum of 25% for Prototype gear. STD gear would look more like 5%, and ADV around 10% transparency (theoretical numbers. Actual numbers will likely change after use in the field to balance effectiveness vs. OP complaints).

Operation based solely on duration would limit the cloak to somewhere between 45 seconds, with skills capping out duration at 60 seconds for Prototype gear. Standard and advanced gear would be considerably less- STD at 10 seconds base, used for single sniper shots or quick getaways, ADV at 25 seconds base, for more advanced scouting/flanking tactics. I don't prefer operation limitations based SOLELY on duration, however. I suggest a tandem duration/charge system, where the cloaking device operates on a fixed amount of "CP," or Charge Points. The cloak consumes CP at a set rate while not moving, reaching zero CP and thus decloaking at the end of the proposed duration. Moving, however, would increase the CP consumption by 25%, reduced to 10% by skills, at 3% penalty reduction per level. I would also add a HEAVY movement penalty of -90% to transparency while moving, for a meager 2.5% actual transparency if a person moves while cloaked (actual movement over ground, not turning to track targets or swap weapons, etc). Skills could soften the penalty to -65%, for an actual transparency of 8.75%, using a 5% penalty reduction per skill level. Additionally, the physical camouflage, i.e. Adaptive Color matching camouflage, would not adjust for new colors until the user stops moving for 3 seconds. This will lessen computation load on the game and servers, as well as help avoid the "easy mode" stigma, provide counter-tactical opportunities and maintain a balance. The Cloaking Unit will recharge at 1/3 of the unit's depletion rate, meaning that a unit with 60 seconds available use, once fully depleted, will take 180 seconds to fully recharge (3 minutes.) Skills can shorten this recharge time by 20%, or 36 seconds, being a 4% reduction in recharge rate per level.

My idea uses 5 skills for the cloaking device; Cloak Operation, Cloak Capacitor, Cloak Regulation, Cloak Energy Management and Cloak Proficiency. Cloak Operation allows access to and operation of dropsuit cloaking devices, and reduces movement penalties to transparency by 5% per level. Cloak Capacitor increases the duration of cloak operation by 3 seconds per level. Cloak Regulation reduces the movement penalty for consumption of CP by 3% per level. Cloak Energy Management reduces the recharge rate of the Cloaking Unit by 4% per level, for a total of 36 seconds at level 5. Cloak Proficiency would provide bonuses to physical transparency of 2% per level (base is 15%, maximum possible then being 25%). Cloak Operation Level 3 unlocks access to Cloak Capacitor and Cloak Regulation, while Cloak Operation level 5 unlocks access to Cloak Proficiency.

CPU and PG costs would need to be steep, so as to further limit the available fittings and thus limit the possible abuse and OP possibilities of the Cloaking unit. A player should have to choose between stealth and strength, which means limiting the amount of armor/shield modules a player can use in conjunction with the cloak. The only way to do that, being that they'll use separate slots, is to make the cloak wildly expensive to fit. I was thinking something in the realm of 96 CPU and 18 PG for Prototype units. I would go as high as 108 CPU and 24 PG, but I'll leave that to the Devs.

Scout suit only. 20 second cloak. Scanable with active scanner. 30 second cool down. Doesn't make you invisible just harder to see. Shooting instantly decloaks. Being shot at makes you more visible but being shot alot breaks cloak. I see it as a cloak good for moving around not killing. have it reduce first shot damage by 60%. what I don't want is a bunch of cloaked breach shotgun and damage mods running around.

Just one thing cloaks should not be limited to one class. It can be more effective with one then the other but it should never be restricted for only one class.

I like how it is done in EVE. Any ship/suit can use a cloaking unit, but only those meant for it can move well while using one. Also, no ripple, full cloak, although I guess people can't accept that and want only the shimmer , which I can usually see and shoot from across the map in most games with it.

So this means a Scout should be able, or special Black ops Scout, should be able to move around like normal with a full cloak. It would also means weapons and stuff do not work at all while cloaked. The person has to come out of cloak before they can use their weapons.

I like the idea of any unit using this, but only the Scouts using it to its full ability. Maybe an 80-90% movement penalty to non-scouts. A Scout could use it to cloak up if they think someone spots them, and then slowly creep away. It would also allow Heavies to cloak up in a defensive position, and decloak only when they see people enter the area, not knowing it has a hidden defender

As I said, this can do just nicely. But of course, variety in the types of cloaks available would help. Maybe the Amarr prefer optical invisibility like their god. The Caldari and Gallente might favor color-changing camo, while the Minmatar utilize infiltrator stuff that I pointed out earlier. Who knows? Could add some flavor to the races.

Sounds possible. But is the introduction of the Charge Points (CP) really necessary? If it helps, maybe it's better to allow suit types to determine penalties and duration instead. That way, cloaking won't be something that all suits benefit equally. Scouts should benefit more than any other suit. The scouts are primarily for recon, infiltration, and disruption after all. Eve Online ships like the Nemesis already have special perks for being Covert Ops ships (no penalty for speed, no penalty for targeting delay, can warp while cloaked, etc.).

As long as there are no SP sinks, I'm alright with this.

Cloaking equipment should have an inherent bonus when fitted on Scouts if you want them to be CPU/PG heavy. But it shouldn't be on just any scout. Specialized scout dropsuits such as a Covert Ops Scout Suit or Infiltrator Scout Suit (if CCP ever gets around to implementing them soon) would probably be the only ones to benefit from this. This will mean that only the most dedicated scouts would be able to make the most of the cloak.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

if anything cloaks should be used like this http://youtu.be/dlkAVKsEj80

I think this is a good compromise, make it directional, make it immobilize you, make it something you have to channel.

This should be acceptable even with the simple minded base of AR514 who can't fathom the idea of competition, as this would make the cloak leaning towards a more defensive role than an offensive role.

Another option, is to have it be 360 degree cloaking, but it removes your vision as well, you essentially get a gray screen until you release it. The reason why it effects your vision is because the same wavelengths that pass around you to prevent the enemy from seeing you also means that those wavelengths aren't hitting the enemy either, making you blind.

I don't think the immobilization is a good idea, then essentially it would be Sniper heaven because only Snipers and the occasional Nova-masters would be using it.

The loss of vision doesn't seem that viable because stray bullets would make the cloak utterly useless, not to mention there's no reason the cloak should be a full cloak.

I still stand that the transparency should be adjusted depending on movements to something like: 80% transparency stationary, 60% walking/jogging, 40% sprinting.

Hey guys, I would like to ask for you're own opinions on cloak operation if you can right now is a very opportune and prime time to bring your thoughts up and a refresher on how the cloaking device should work in Dust 514.

I like how it is done in EVE. Any ship/suit can use a cloaking unit, but only those meant for it can move well while using one. Also, no ripple, full cloak, although I guess people can't accept that and want only the shimmer , which I can usually see and shoot from across the map in most games with it.

So this means a Scout should be able, or special Black ops Scout, should be able to move around like normal with a full cloak. It would also means weapons and stuff do not work at all while cloaked. The person has to come out of cloak before they can use their weapons.

I like the idea of any unit using this, but only the Scouts using it to its full ability. Maybe an 80-90% movement penalty to non-scouts. A Scout could use it to cloak up if they think someone spots them, and then slowly creep away. It would also allow Heavies to cloak up in a defensive position, and decloak only when they see people enter the area, not knowing it has a hidden defender

For starters, give scout suits a limited cloaking ability built into the suit that activates when they stand still for a set amount of time and goes into a cooldown once they move. That would make cloaking equipment more valuable to scouts since they'll have an innate ability to fall back on. Scout suits only, not basic light frames. I'm debating on making this available for scout BPOs.

As long as it doesn't give total invisibility, I don't think it needs any other counters.

At long range IE using the FG I imagine that almost invisibility would still be very hard to detect, at CQC I would imagine it would be hard to not see them, a little HMG spray to get them out of cloak.

Seeing is how Stealth is most OP thing is FPS and Cloaks are OP in other titles; they can stay on the backburner.