Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

any sniper in the redline isn't a sniper calling them one is an insult to us actual snipers

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

any sniper in the redline isn't a sniper calling them one is an insult to us actual snipers

Correction, a sniper that gets where they can get a kill and from max range even if in the redline is a real sniper. If you need to be closer to the action you are a poor shot.

Words of a redline sniper...your not helping the case

How many matches have I lost because over a third of my team was sniping from our red line or high towers?

Too many.

And the worst part is that CCP removed all forms of team killing, so you can't even vent your frustration on the real reason the team is losing. If an enemy is kicking your ass, at least you can shoot at them. But blueberry dead weight snipers, you can't even run them over anymore.

Correction, a sniper that gets where they can get a kill and from max range even if in the redline is a real sniper. If you need to be closer to the action you are a poor shot.

Words of somebody that doesn't measure their c*ck by where they snipe from as long as they're getting the targets. What don't you understand about the role?

I don't even see a redline. Where is this redline? Does it appear on the map while in combat? I think I get an indication of an enemy redline. That's the only one that seems to give any sort of alert.

If you are exposing yourself you aren't sniping.

SNIPER

So the problem would be too many snipers, not hitting their targets, not getting to where the targets are. Even a redline sniper is useful if it gives a good vantage point to hit targets and to observe enemy activity. I don't see how you having to be able to shoot a sniper with an assault rifle matters except to give you an easier kill.

And you want to run you own team over? Who's being useless now?
There are people trying to do their part and people who b*tch about others. Who's more useful?

Get a sniper rifle, counter snipe.

Well here is a hint if the enemy hasnt been anywhere near you the entire match and the few times they have tried they have had to turn away your probably in the red line. You can also see if your in the redline by bringing up the map.
Also there is a difference between exposing yourself and being a redline coward. You can take up a position that gives you a strategic advantage and offers concealment when kneeling. Defending the position of being a redline sniper is the sure sign of someone that has poor skill and needs every advantage they can manage just to get a few kills.

You think simply killing enemies with a sniper rifle is contributing to the team? Noob. Your obviously one of those KDR whores who red-line snipe to pad their KDR. And now your trying to justify your worthlessness in matches as something noble.


Who's more useful? The guys who spent majority of the match trying to take and hold objectives but failed because they where completely outnumbered due to the fact that a significant portion of their team was too busy squatting with their sniper rifles doing nothing productive for the team.


Counter sniping friendly dead weight snipers doesn't do anything.

Dear snipers. Understand what your role is. Stay back in the redline or anywhere else you are supposed to in a largely protected position. This is what makes you a sniper.

If you move closer to the combat you are a marksman, affectionately known as a sharpshooter. This is not a role you use in a military combat zone. It is used by law enforcement during a localized, controlled environment usually dealing with hostages

Remember, the objective of war isn't to run in machine gunning up the place only to be yet another statistic against a group of enemy combatants when you can easily shoot the whole damn group by yourself. It is not to simply try to hack, hack, hack a position when you should be providing other useful aspects that make for a truly winning team.

Remember your patron saint of sniping, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock who taught us to pray:

There is no hunting like the hunting of man
And for those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it
Never care for anything else thereafter


I'm pretty sure dropping the guy's shields would get me a big thank you from assaults that get an easy kill. See a true sniper helps his team with kills not just go for kills himself. If you can be back to where you can get a tight group of targets and drop all of them down to armor then it's easier for assaults to mop up the whole group. Done it, seen it work and one the position with it. I don't care where the shot is from.

Lol, you missed my statement about that otherwise.

You are no good being another tryhard assault getting mowed down when you could be shooting more guys with a sniper rifle or at least forcing their movements ( and when you say "failed because they were completely outnumbered" then the kills apparently matter). I've been more useful as a sniper than being just another assault up against a group of reds. Too often I've been assaulting and had zero help when the team is mostly assaults. Useless is a relative term.

Hold objectives? It's when you aren't doing that that a sniper's job kicks in. Again, just another assault doesn't cut it.

I think it's funny though that the term coward would be applied to combat in a video game. Try doing or being in a position to do it in RL.

Words of a redline sniper...your not helping the case

Oh! I see. I understand you now. What your saying is red-line snipers actually prevent objectives from being overrun. Too bad experience has shown me that an entire team of red-line snipers cant hold jack ****.

Now don't get me wrong, there are useful snipers out there. It's just that you, a red-line sniper, aren't one of the useful ones; in fact I'd go so far to say that you negatively impact your own team.


They're allowed to label you, a red-line sniper, "coward" because you stay far away from majority of the in game hazards. And its funny that you mention real life because all the dangers your too cowardly to get close to in game aren't even real.

Furthermore sniping in this game is nothing like having to snipe in a real war zone.

redline snipers are players abusing of a game exploit, overusing a limitation designed to protect players from mcc camping, anyone doing this kind of things should not deserve to be playing, a sniper should take advantage of terrain, like towers, that what snipers do, and althought i hate being sniped, it is a valuable and indispensable role, redline sniping is a disgrace, they are not even in the legal part of the battlefied, and dont come telling people that abusing game exploits is sniping or even saying its a role, it is not

dear snipers don't be jelly cause mine's so big I need to mount it on a tank.

sincerely rails

Correction, a sniper that gets where they can get a kill and from max range even if in the redline is a real sniper. If you need to be closer to the action you are a poor shot.

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

Oh that must be why I always see snipers taking up strategic positions close to objectives taking advantage of the wide open space leading up to it to pick off enemy reds like a shooting gallery

Oh wait, 99.99% of people I see with sniper rifles are hiding behind the red line or camping on top of a tower

But you know what guys keep doing that, please, I cant tell you how much I like popping dumb enemy "snipers" with my thales

dear snipers don't be jelly cause mine's so big I need to mount it on a tank.

sincerely rails

We aint jelly, we just only want sniper snipers.

Yeah yeah, everybody hates snipers.

I've got news for you.

We don't care.

Now, shut up and stand still for a moment.

Dear snipers, pick up a repair tool and babysit my fat ass instead.

last I checked most maps you can't defend objectives so while your mindless killing from redline I'm watching objectives and who said I had to be closer to the battle from the spots I snipe at it still close if not at max range depending on map and if you want to compare accuracy go right ahead but I can bet you I'm helping more than you

Yeah yeah, everybody hates snipers.

I've got news for you.

We don't care.

Now, shut up and stand still for a moment.

Again, point missed. You get where you are effective. The redline is just another part of the map. If you can hold an objective near the redline and get to the targets it is a valid position.

I don't really care all these red line loving idiots normally die in the games I play anyway well when I can't find something to kill I always know where to look

People think they are safe in the redline which is dead wrong you are even more unprotected because 90% of the guys who want to counter snipe you will look dead at the redline so yea claim it's advantages and how safe it is while me and all these counter snipers have a field day killing your sorry asses

Dear Haters,

Well for one, I'm sorry that your parents didn't love you enough to teach you common sense. You clearly have never ran into or squaded with good snipers. Because good snipers tell you where everything is, what is being called in, where the enemy is and has far better range than any active scanner. And they can help with fire support

Squad up with a good sniper and then try to have a way hate us for a good reason.

*You're. I'm going to start trolling the forums for idiots. Every time I see a dummy arguing a stupid PoV, I'm going to correct all their idiot mistakes instead of arguing with them.

It's funnier this way.

Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel call Snipers Incorporated just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).

Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.

And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.

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PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well

did you even read my post you cause if you did you would see I said MOST MAPS keyword MOST if you payed attention I was telling you that most maps sniping in the redline is useless I didn't say all of the maps it was

I actually find it harder to hit mercs who are standing still, it's easier if they are running and you can lead them.

Amen to that, that's why I usually try to fire a shot across their bow to get them to move. Comes in handy for that all too important defense of an objective that's being bandied about as the exclusive domain of assaults. If I can get them to move and duck and cover then that is more effective than a kill. See I'm not just about kills! Lol.

I give up a lot of kills to take several guys down to armor at once or make them move to the far side of an obstacle to help corral them for assaults.

I'm a sniper

You can't find me because I hide in the planet's period stain

May I join your super cool cha channel?

I'm a sniper

You can't find me because I hide in the planet's period stain

May I join your super cool cha channel?

Everybody quit complaining about snipers! I called this a safe haven for snipers for a reason.

I don't care if you hate snipers or can't find the propose in them.

GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD

Yep, back to topic. I'll join you channel on my sniper character. But, it is going to be a problem if you get anti-snipers in there.

are u scared to enter real combat? then yes

And yetGǪ I didn't say I'm a redline sniper. I said that sniping from the redline makes no difference if you have a good vantage point and can get the shots. The redline on some maps is a better vantage point because you are up high and can see over things like roofs and railings. Redline is also a valid consideration for a sniper because you want your rear protected.

You want to operate as undetectable as possible. Redline can help with that. A sniper down in the sh*t is a bad sniper no matter how "useful" they might be. It doesn't mean more and better shots. You are at a disadvantage with a sniper rifle that close in. You are a great marksman though! I use a tac rifle if I want to go marksman though.

And it's funny. I know I must not be in the redline often because someone seems to come up behind me and shoots me.

So, once again we have a sniper thread with ppl who don't like sniping and slam all snipers only to have the argument get whittled down to what it's really about GÇö bad players, no matter the role and players who don't seem to be stroking the assaults.

Seriously, if assaults did their job the snipers wouldn't have to take the blame. From my vantage point that is usually the case; a bunch of assaults who can't hold an objective and one more assault doesn't help the matter.

Hmm. I guess some people are incapable of realizing how useful snipers can be.

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

The fact remains that teams primarily composed of red-line or tower snipers lose. Trying to argue that dead weight is an asset is insanity.

Also, people are not criticizing all snipers. They're criticizing the snipers who spend the entire match in the red-line or high points. Yes you are right, it is fine to utilize the red-line or high points to achieve a vantage point on a specific target; but you shouldn't be dead weight by spending the entire game there, especially if your not guarding an objective.

I'd argue about your vendetta against assault suit users if it weren't for the fact that there's some truth to it. Those petitions to nerf the logistic suits can get pretty stupid. Also your expectations give assaults way too much credit in what they can actually contribute in game; there are other roles and suits in this game besides snipers and assaults.

Hi I use a Thale and red line snipe, let the hate mail begin

Sniper is never useful, recon is very useful. A sniper is just some dude with a sniper rifle a recon supports his team, covers lanes, and gives info so the team can work better as a whole.

I just want to say I think its hilarious the guys getting up in arms and taking it as a personal insult when I tell them that hiding behind the red line is a puss move and rarely contributes and them going "Well I dont do it those other guys just suck" is the cherry on top since Ive actually seen a couple of you in battle doing exactly that

Atiim I have seen you sit on top of a ridge in the redline of Manus Peak and your dot never moved, your name never showed up as killing anyone, and a big chunk of the fighting on that map took place around objective B when it was that big warehouse type installation IE completely indoors and out of any firing lane you had so you going on about how you made a channel for good snipers and how not everyone is like that rings hollow to me

And as for Operative rambling about positioning and what spots are optimal the red line is rarely the optimal spot especially with variations in the installations that can be on the map, hell the manus peak example proves that, and someone willing to go down to where things get rowdy usually make much more of a difference simply because he gets a better firing range
For instance I was in a match on spine crescent and locked down the bridge with just myself near A and an actual decent sniper providing over watching standing on top of the installation at D

Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).

Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.

And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.

I applaud you creating a place where snipers won't be criticized and can meet like minded players, so please understand this is only supposed to be constructive criticism. If by squading up only to snipe, you mean no one will be running straight infantry; that could be a problem. You would need to make sure other blueberries aren't also sniping otherwise the ratio of snipers to infantry could be too skewed to hack and keep objectives. I just hope you weren't being literal.

i dont get how your supposed to kill a sniper? most never die cause they hide so far out you cant get to them and you die from them everytime u walk by. cheap much? ill be fighting one dude then out of nowhere oooahh another charge sniper k0 from a dude i wouldnt find if i had a half hour to look-.-
they should make a change to snipers to where occasionally your sniper blows up in your coward face and kills u that way

I wasn't being literal. I'm just saying that you should at least expect to do some sniping.

Hi I use a Thale and red line snipe, let the hate mail begin

yeah thats life my friend I can almost bet you that happend alot in actual wars so it happening here really isn't shocking its like saying I was shooting this guy then out of no where I got knifed in the back

any sniper in the redline isn't a sniper calling them one is an insult to us actual snipers

at least the dude knifing you in the back has to get that close.. much differant when a sniper who is HIDING shoots you from 10 miles away and claims to be good at the game

Right, right says the guy who only ran dropships back when they were unkillable.

Sniping?
Lol!

Militia minmatar scout
Militia sniper rifle
Kin cats and cardios

Run towards sleeping sniper and setup a meter behind them.
Snipe! piano sound!! headshot kill at 1M...lol!!

so your claiming to be good I hate to say it but if you can't figure out where the sniper is based on where you was when you got killed then thats your own fault whenever I get shot I almost know exactly where to look to deal with the sniper cause ya know when you get hit a indicator pops up pointing in the general direction and if he kills you and it doesn't show thats when you use your head and go hmm I was here so only spots he could be is here here and here it's really not that ******* hard

from 10 miles away

redline snipers are players abusing of a game exploit, overusing a limitation designed to protect players from mcc camping, anyone doing this kind of things should not deserve to be playing, a sniper should take advantage of terrain, like towers, that what snipers do, and althought i hate being sniped, it is a valuable and indispensable role, redline sniping is a disgrace, they are not even in the legal part of the battlefied, and dont come telling people that abusing game exploits is sniping or even saying its a role, it is not

last I checked most maps you can't defend objectives so while your mindless killing from redline I'm watching objectives and who said I had to be closer to the battle from the spots I snipe at it still close if not at max range depending on map and if you want to compare accuracy go right ahead but I can bet you I'm helping more than you

Dear snipers, pick up a repair tool and babysit my fat ass instead.

[God, this is giving me flashbacks to the mortar guys who bitched about the riflemen, who bitched about the machine gunners, who bitched about the TOW missile guys, who bitched about the admin pogues, who bitched about the Navy guys, who bitched about being in the Navy.

OH MY GOD. Your post is damn nigh unreadable. That may be the longest run-on sentence I've ever seen someone write. If you can't make an intelligent, readable argument, STFU. Holy wow.

Right, right says the guy who only ran dropships back when they were unkillable.

Sniping?
Lol!

Militia minmatar scout
Militia sniper rifle
Kin cats and cardios

Run towards sleeping sniper and setup a meter behind them.
Snipe! piano sound!! headshot kill at 1M...lol!!

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

Who's more useful? The guys who spent majority of the match trying to take and hold objectives but failed because they where completely outnumbered due to the fact that a significant portion of their team was too busy squatting with their sniper rifles doing nothing productive for the team.

How many matches have I lost because over a third of my team was sniping from our red line or high towers?

Too many.

And the worst part is that CCP removed all forms of team killing, so you can't even vent your frustration on the real reason the team is losing. If an enemy is kicking your ass, at least you can shoot at them. But blueberry dead weight snipers, you can't even run them over anymore.

redline snipers are players abusing of a game exploit, overusing a limitation designed to protect players from mcc camping, anyone doing this kind of things should not deserve to be playing, a sniper should take advantage of terrain, like towers, that what snipers do, and althought i hate being sniped, it is a valuable and indispensable role, redline sniping is a disgrace, they are not even in the legal part of the battlefied, and dont come telling people that abusing game exploits is sniping or even saying its a role, it is not

I probably could, yes. But first I ask that you use PUNCTUATION, such as a PERIOD at the end of your bloody sentences. If and when you can manage something so simple as that, I'll definitely stop insulting people... just as soon as you do. Now you're a 'tardy AND a hypocrite. Well done.

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).

Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.

And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.

If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.

The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining

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PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well

I guess you guys are going for the record of Matches Lost ?

Wow, congratulations, you not only redline snipe without at least understanding the unfairness (yes, this is a game and if you don't share the same risk you demean the playing of it) implicit in it....you now try to use your military experience to lend some credibility to your untenable position.

ON BEHALF OF THE REST OF THE CURRENT AND FORMER MILITARY PLAYERS OF DUST, I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS BEHAVIOR.

Sniping and combat in general is not supposed to be fair, it's about winning...but this is a game, not real combat. Besides, a real sniper would go to the enemy redline and snipe. People like you are why I counter-snipe, I love making them lose Thales.

Wow, a lot of butt-hurt whining sniper haters crawling out of the woodwork. All I hear from you whiny losers is blub blub blub through the tears flowing down your face.

I'm a sniper 99% of the time and guest what. I don't like it when I get sniped either. I don't like it when I'm run over by a LAV, hit by a tank shell, blasted by a grenade, fall into a vat of acid, eat some AR rounds, take a shotgun blast to the back of the head, or die by any other means.

However, you won't see me QQing about any of these (unless it's landing in acid after leaping from the MCC).

Also, I will suggest, there are some maps that I'll take out a Thales on. When I do I'm going to want to not lose it if possible... so if I'm in the redline killing people attempting to hack objectives you'll just have to live with it.

You sniper haters are just going to have to live with your butthurt. Well, that and continue to convince CCP to make maps less hospitable to snipers.

heh I'll tell you what I told some of the others in this thread you can keep those thales they not that great to begin with maybe before uprising but now it's not worth the time or attention so while you snipe in the red line with a thale I'll just hit you with my charge

If you prefer a different weapon that's fine. However, compared to most of the sniper rifle stable the Thales kicks butt. And if you can counter snipe me then there is no need to whine about where I'm situated, is there?

However, you'll have to hope I don't see you first.

I probably could, yes. But first I ask that you use PUNCTUATION, such as a PERIOD at the end of your bloody sentences. If and when you can manage something so simple as that, I'll definitely stop insulting people... just as soon as you do. Now you're a 'tardy AND a hypocrite. Well done.

Excuse me, this is a video game forum.

Formalities are not necessary here.

no need for hate mail you already know you go 0-20 every game u dont snipe

Then you sir, have never faced me in battle when I use my AR or HMG(Beta). But I cant say that for true for you may be an ALT, could it be I owned you many times before and you are afraid to show your face.

You have my permission to invite me. Itsmellslikefish king sniper.

Excuse me, this is a video game forum.

Formalities are not necessary here.

Shut your frickin mouth. How have you any right to demean his military service simply because your stupid opinions differ? Truly the mark of a childish punk. I'm AD USMC. You insult me with your f***ing arrogance.

I just want to say I think its hilarious the guys getting up in arms and taking it as a personal insult when I tell them that hiding behind the red line is a puss move and rarely contributes and them going "Well I dont do it those other guys just suck" is the cherry on top since Ive actually seen a couple of you in battle doing exactly that

Atiim I have seen you sit on top of a ridge in the redline of Manus Peak and your dot never moved, your name never showed up as killing anyone, and a big chunk of the fighting on that map took place around objective B when it was that big warehouse type installation IE completely indoors and out of any firing lane you had so you going on about how you made a channel for good snipers and how not everyone is like that rings hollow to me

And as for Operative rambling about positioning and what spots are optimal the red line is rarely the optimal spot especially with variations in the installations that can be on the map, hell the manus peak example proves that, and someone willing to go down to where things get rowdy usually make much more of a difference simply because he gets a better firing range
For instance I was in a match on spine crescent and locked down the bridge with just myself near A and an actual decent sniper providing over watching standing on top of the installation at D

and how is that a bad thing I flew dropships when no one would ******* touch them so yes when they went OP as hell I did it too see how many idiots would copy me besides I'm shocked anyone remembers that and incase you didn't know I was sniping alot back then too but I guess you wouldn't remember that since sniping wasn't as bad back then besides for you to get behind me would require skill because i'll be in a spot that either requires a dropship or you to expose yourself to me

I can read. I know what he's implying. What he's doing, however, is inexcusable. You don't apologize "in the name of all those who have served," as if you stand for all of us. Bringing someone's military service and then honor into question is dishonorable in and of itself. This is not an opinion, it's a fact. Something Marines are taught from day one in boot.

Every other post I've made in this thread I have been trolling my arse off, save one. About this, I'm 100% serious. No one has a right to call into question someone else's service, without their SRB in front of them, and having actually served with him. Period.

Manus peak GÇö yes there are spots on the north and south sides that are prime spots. Yes they happen to be in the redline on the hills where you can see all points as well as be protected from the side you are not monitoring for counter snipers. I get my biggest kills on this one it's so small.

Line Harvest GÇö there are a couple of prime spots on the north side. Yes they are in the redline on the hills where you can take care of traffic around and between C and D. A couple of points for the south side that are just off the redline for B and A. Otherwise, if your team can actually hold there side of the map then the buildings do allow for protected spots to your flank.

Spine Cresent GÇö way up on the mountain ridges on the west off the redline. You can see all the points and when the reds light up at A they render. D and E is not directly exposed but you get good through and rear traffic at those buildings. You can also get ppl in their redlines. I even almost got a tanker up there just below me repping his tank. He jumped back in before i could get him.

Ashland GÇö the main places are in the redline because that's where the hills are. There is a good spot just off the redline on the east side that is perfect for the central area traffic.

Iron Delta GÇö C is a great wide area. Yes it is in the redline but then C is butt up against the redline. Also, you can get people on the top of the round building when it's there. On the other side you can defend D. If you defend A and B you might as well go tac rifle marksman for the urban inner outpost.

Skim junction is the biggest movement to different positions. I usually go dropship or tank for this.

The new maps absolutely do not allow for any sniping at the objective points. But you do what your role is which is to cut the cross traffic. I go dropship if the movement is slim.

An effective position doesn't mean you are closer. If you are dead due to assaults et al then you are more useless than a sniper who knows how to stay out of LOS while sniping.

A limited area with limited LOS at a time is better than a big area where you can see everything at once. However, as stated above there are some juicy yet exposed areas.

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

CCP should just make it so we can team kill anyone with a sniper in their fitting, and if they dont earn at least 5000wp a match they dont get any rewards, that should fix things

Sniping is about finding the targets. If I can do that from the redline and get a big enough vantage point then it is legit. Stop measuring ******* d*cks, defining someone as a coward. Jeez, y'all have got a lot of growing up to do. Sounds like 16 year olds. You get the kills and/or stop the enemy from moving in or overcoming a position. Who gives a rat's ass where it happens? Lol.

The neckbeard wannabe macho man factor is strong in here.

Dear Haters,

Well for one, I'm sorry that your parents didn't love you enough to teach you common sense. You clearly have never ran into or squaded with good snipers. Because good snipers tell you where everything is, what is being called in, where the enemy is and has far better range than any active scanner. And they can help with fire support

Squad up with a good sniper and then try to have a way hate us for a good reason.

Sure buddy you do whatever you need to to nurse that bruised ego of yours buddy ok. When your testies drop and you decide to enter the battlefield like a real man i will be there to annihilate you no matter what your wearing or driving ok?

All the usual Manus Peak spots are on top of ridges out in the open, hardly ideal since when I feel like it I break out my sniper rifle and spend all match turkey shooting

Your Line Harvest spots have the same problem, hardly ideal if everyone knows them and can counter pop you

Spine Crescent west mountain range is also not ideal, the installation provides tons of cover for B and C drastically limiting your useful shots, the bridge cuts off any decent firing lane on A unless they are running on the outside leaving you small windows for any shots and the spot is only really useful for covering the open gaps between the bridge and E/D and picking off enemy red line turkeys

Ashland sniping is generally foolish due to the large amount of cover and limited spots with decent firing lanes making you ridiculously easy to zero

Iron Delta Ill concede the red line spots near C are actually useful if your team is pushed back and defending C and possibly the center if its that open air installation but parking on top of the tower is more useful in that situation

Skim Junction doesnt really lend itself to hanging near the spawn behind the red line sniping so yeah moving happens a lot


An effective position is just that, an effective position and sitting in a cozy safe spot that lets you completely lock down a 3 meter space on the off chance that maybe someone will walk through it is not effective

And yet those are great positions. I see targets, see the flow of battle, catch the cross traffic, see targets at mutiple points, most of the time protected on one or more sides with only the direction I'm targeting in view like a sniper is supposed to do. And, I get the kills and help the assaults do their job which is cap objectives.

This thread is a case of people not understanding the art and tactics of sniping, not appreciating it and/or just not respecting it and ultimately having a different methodology for applying it. Most people who run vanilla assault seem to think everyone needs to do that or it's no good.

You've got your positions and style; I've got mine. That's another whole discussion entirely between snipers.

The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground.

The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground.

Proxy mines and remote explosives are your friend

dear snipers don't be jelly cause mine's so big I need to mount it on a tank.

sincerely rails

Woo! Let's crash this party with our railguns!

Or even better, literally crash into the party by using speed boosters to drive up the mountainside and ram everyone inside of the sniper nest!

Eh? Eh?

Okay, fine.

Alright, so I point out how these spots are suboptimal for anything but keeping yourself covered and even then lacking in that area and you go on about the "art" of sniping
Girl you must be joking

Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).

Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.

And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.

If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.

The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining

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PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well

There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams.

Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the Sniper
Fox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next level

I agree, actually more than one might be too much.

The CQC guys are super important for taking objectives. Snipers can't easily do this in my opinion.

BUT a full squad of GOOD snipers (snipe, move around, hack, scout, cover objectives, counter snipe) might be fun to try, as long as the rest of the team are CQC guys. At least one dropship might be good, as well. Running sniper/logi rigs can be useful so we can support our team while not sniping. There is nothing like setting up an uplink right beside an objective in the enemy's rear.

There is a full scout squad I've seen out there that seems to do well, so maybe we could at least try a full sniper squad.


Munch

There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams.

Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the Sniper
Fox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next level

Edit: Sniper is a unique role in that if you do it wrong you generate more hate from your own team than doing it right would generate on the opposing team. Read my guides, and focus on helping your team win. DonGÇÖt make Snipers look bad. There are plenty of noobs doing that already.

I approve of this thread, my fellow sniper brothers and would love to join the channel sometime.

Are you online right now? I could invite you and your friends if you are.

I'm online now yea

CCP should just make it so we can team kill anyone with a sniper in their fitting, and if they dont earn at least 5000wp a match they dont get any rewards, that should fix things

sniper here, prof 5 and comp damage.

I have operation lv 5 and prof.4 and I use Thale or Charge

Can I yoin?

Are you online right now? If so then i'll invite you.

At some point I'd like to try an experiment: let's queue sync 16 prototype prof III+ snipers into a public domination match, then see if we can clone them out from the redline. Whether it works or not, the tears will be delicious.

Sure, you can "yoin"