So the problem would be too many snipers, not hitting their targets, not getting to where the targets are. Even a redline sniper is useful if it gives a good vantage point to hit targets and to observe enemy activity. I don't see how you having to be able to shoot a sniper with an assault rifle matters except to give you an easier kill.

And you want to run you own team over? Who's being useless now?
There are people trying to do their part and people who b*tch about others. Who's more useful?

Get a sniper rifle, counter snipe.

Lol, you missed my statement about that otherwise.

You are no good being another tryhard assault getting mowed down when you could be shooting more guys with a sniper rifle or at least forcing their movements ( and when you say "failed because they were completely outnumbered" then the kills apparently matter). I've been more useful as a sniper than being just another assault up against a group of reds. Too often I've been assaulting and had zero help when the team is mostly assaults. Useless is a relative term.

Hold objectives? It's when you aren't doing that that a sniper's job kicks in. Again, just another assault doesn't cut it.

I think it's funny though that the term coward would be applied to combat in a video game. Try doing or being in a position to do it in RL.

And yetGǪ I didn't say I'm a redline sniper. I said that sniping from the redline makes no difference if you have a good vantage point and can get the shots. The redline on some maps is a better vantage point because you are up high and can see over things like roofs and railings. Redline is also a valid consideration for a sniper because you want your rear protected.

You want to operate as undetectable as possible. Redline can help with that. A sniper down in the sh*t is a bad sniper no matter how "useful" they might be. It doesn't mean more and better shots. You are at a disadvantage with a sniper rifle that close in. You are a great marksman though! I use a tac rifle if I want to go marksman though.

And it's funny. I know I must not be in the redline often because someone seems to come up behind me and shoots me.

So, once again we have a sniper thread with ppl who don't like sniping and slam all snipers only to have the argument get whittled down to what it's really about GÇö bad players, no matter the role and players who don't seem to be stroking the assaults.

Seriously, if assaults did their job the snipers wouldn't have to take the blame. From my vantage point that is usually the case; a bunch of assaults who can't hold an objective and one more assault doesn't help the matter.