The fact remains that teams primarily composed of red-line or tower snipers lose. Trying to argue that dead weight is an asset is insanity.

Also, people are not criticizing all snipers. They're criticizing the snipers who spend the entire match in the red-line or high points. Yes you are right, it is fine to utilize the red-line or high points to achieve a vantage point on a specific target; but you shouldn't be dead weight by spending the entire game there, especially if your not guarding an objective.

I'd argue about your vendetta against assault suit users if it weren't for the fact that there's some truth to it. Those petitions to nerf the logistic suits can get pretty stupid. Also your expectations give assaults way too much credit in what they can actually contribute in game; there are other roles and suits in this game besides snipers and assaults.

Hi I use a Thale and red line snipe, let the hate mail begin

Sniper is never useful, recon is very useful. A sniper is just some dude with a sniper rifle a recon supports his team, covers lanes, and gives info so the team can work better as a whole.

I just want to say I think its hilarious the guys getting up in arms and taking it as a personal insult when I tell them that hiding behind the red line is a puss move and rarely contributes and them going "Well I dont do it those other guys just suck" is the cherry on top since Ive actually seen a couple of you in battle doing exactly that

Atiim I have seen you sit on top of a ridge in the redline of Manus Peak and your dot never moved, your name never showed up as killing anyone, and a big chunk of the fighting on that map took place around objective B when it was that big warehouse type installation IE completely indoors and out of any firing lane you had so you going on about how you made a channel for good snipers and how not everyone is like that rings hollow to me

And as for Operative rambling about positioning and what spots are optimal the red line is rarely the optimal spot especially with variations in the installations that can be on the map, hell the manus peak example proves that, and someone willing to go down to where things get rowdy usually make much more of a difference simply because he gets a better firing range
For instance I was in a match on spine crescent and locked down the bridge with just myself near A and an actual decent sniper providing over watching standing on top of the installation at D

Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).

Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.

And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.

I applaud you creating a place where snipers won't be criticized and can meet like minded players, so please understand this is only supposed to be constructive criticism. If by squading up only to snipe, you mean no one will be running straight infantry; that could be a problem. You would need to make sure other blueberries aren't also sniping otherwise the ratio of snipers to infantry could be too skewed to hack and keep objectives. I just hope you weren't being literal.

i dont get how your supposed to kill a sniper? most never die cause they hide so far out you cant get to them and you die from them everytime u walk by. cheap much? ill be fighting one dude then out of nowhere oooahh another charge sniper k0 from a dude i wouldnt find if i had a half hour to look-.-
they should make a change to snipers to where occasionally your sniper blows up in your coward face and kills u that way

I wasn't being literal. I'm just saying that you should at least expect to do some sniping.

Hi I use a Thale and red line snipe, let the hate mail begin

yeah thats life my friend I can almost bet you that happend alot in actual wars so it happening here really isn't shocking its like saying I was shooting this guy then out of no where I got knifed in the back

any sniper in the redline isn't a sniper calling them one is an insult to us actual snipers

at least the dude knifing you in the back has to get that close.. much differant when a sniper who is HIDING shoots you from 10 miles away and claims to be good at the game

Right, right says the guy who only ran dropships back when they were unkillable.

Sniping?
Lol!

Militia minmatar scout
Militia sniper rifle
Kin cats and cardios

Run towards sleeping sniper and setup a meter behind them.
Snipe! piano sound!! headshot kill at 1M...lol!!

so your claiming to be good I hate to say it but if you can't figure out where the sniper is based on where you was when you got killed then thats your own fault whenever I get shot I almost know exactly where to look to deal with the sniper cause ya know when you get hit a indicator pops up pointing in the general direction and if he kills you and it doesn't show thats when you use your head and go hmm I was here so only spots he could be is here here and here it's really not that ******* hard

from 10 miles away

redline snipers are players abusing of a game exploit, overusing a limitation designed to protect players from mcc camping, anyone doing this kind of things should not deserve to be playing, a sniper should take advantage of terrain, like towers, that what snipers do, and althought i hate being sniped, it is a valuable and indispensable role, redline sniping is a disgrace, they are not even in the legal part of the battlefied, and dont come telling people that abusing game exploits is sniping or even saying its a role, it is not

last I checked most maps you can't defend objectives so while your mindless killing from redline I'm watching objectives and who said I had to be closer to the battle from the spots I snipe at it still close if not at max range depending on map and if you want to compare accuracy go right ahead but I can bet you I'm helping more than you

Dear snipers, pick up a repair tool and babysit my fat ass instead.

[God, this is giving me flashbacks to the mortar guys who bitched about the riflemen, who bitched about the machine gunners, who bitched about the TOW missile guys, who bitched about the admin pogues, who bitched about the Navy guys, who bitched about being in the Navy.

OH MY GOD. Your post is damn nigh unreadable. That may be the longest run-on sentence I've ever seen someone write. If you can't make an intelligent, readable argument, STFU. Holy wow.

Right, right says the guy who only ran dropships back when they were unkillable.

Sniping?
Lol!

Militia minmatar scout
Militia sniper rifle
Kin cats and cardios

Run towards sleeping sniper and setup a meter behind them.
Snipe! piano sound!! headshot kill at 1M...lol!!

Dear snipers

Get your cowardly asses out of the red line and help cap an objective, dropping half a guys shields while he is on the ass end of the map away from anything important isnt helping

Who's more useful? The guys who spent majority of the match trying to take and hold objectives but failed because they where completely outnumbered due to the fact that a significant portion of their team was too busy squatting with their sniper rifles doing nothing productive for the team.

How many matches have I lost because over a third of my team was sniping from our red line or high towers?

Too many.

And the worst part is that CCP removed all forms of team killing, so you can't even vent your frustration on the real reason the team is losing. If an enemy is kicking your ass, at least you can shoot at them. But blueberry dead weight snipers, you can't even run them over anymore.

redline snipers are players abusing of a game exploit, overusing a limitation designed to protect players from mcc camping, anyone doing this kind of things should not deserve to be playing, a sniper should take advantage of terrain, like towers, that what snipers do, and althought i hate being sniped, it is a valuable and indispensable role, redline sniping is a disgrace, they are not even in the legal part of the battlefied, and dont come telling people that abusing game exploits is sniping or even saying its a role, it is not