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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
589
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Posted - 2013.10.15 01:48:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Quote: Well here is a hint if the enemy hasnt been anywhere near you the entire match and the few times they have tried they have had to turn away your probably in the red line. You can also see if your in the redline by bringing up the map. Also there is a difference between exposing yourself and being a redline coward. You can take up a position that gives you a strategic advantage and offers concealment when kneeling. Defending the position of being a redline sniper is the sure sign of someone that has poor skill and needs every advantage they can manage just to get a few kills.
Sniping is about finding the targets. If I can do that from the redline and get a big enough vantage point then it is legit. Stop measuring ******* d*cks, defining someone as a coward. Jeez, y'all have got a lot of growing up to do. Sounds like 16 year olds. You get the kills and/or stop the enemy from moving in or overcoming a position. Who gives a rat's ass where it happens? Lol. The neckbeard wannabe macho man factor is strong in here. Sure buddy you do whatever you need to to nurse that bruised ego of yours buddy ok. When your testies drop and you decide to enter the battlefield like a real man i will be there to annihilate you no matter what your wearing or driving ok?
Lol. And yet, I also run tanks, assault, av. A sniper is a certain something. I learned about that, liked it and came to this game with that in mind. I like the art of sniping. When I'm on my sniper character I will do the equivilent of that in this game. My methodology has been effective so I'll do that.
Once again, the notion of cowardice doesn't figure into it. A sniper is a certain something. You don't like that. Keep playing the way you want to if you don't get it.
Keep being you definiton of a macho man. The rest of us will have fun with sniping.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
589
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Delta 749 wrote:I just want to say I think its hilarious the guys getting up in arms and taking it as a personal insult when I tell them that hiding behind the red line is a puss move and rarely contributes and them going "Well I dont do it those other guys just suck" is the cherry on top since Ive actually seen a couple of you in battle doing exactly that
Atiim I have seen you sit on top of a ridge in the redline of Manus Peak and your dot never moved, your name never showed up as killing anyone, and a big chunk of the fighting on that map took place around objective B when it was that big warehouse type installation IE completely indoors and out of any firing lane you had so you going on about how you made a channel for good snipers and how not everyone is like that rings hollow to me
And as for Operative rambling about positioning and what spots are optimal the red line is rarely the optimal spot especially with variations in the installations that can be on the map, hell the manus peak example proves that, and someone willing to go down to where things get rowdy usually make much more of a difference simply because he gets a better firing range For instance I was in a match on spine crescent and locked down the bridge with just myself near A and an actual decent sniper providing over watching standing on top of the installation at D Manus peak GÇö yes there are spots on the north and south sides that are prime spots. Yes they happen to be in the redline on the hills where you can see all points as well as be protected from the side you are not monitoring for counter snipers. I get my biggest kills on this one it's so small. Line Harvest GÇö there are a couple of prime spots on the north side. Yes they are in the redline on the hills where you can take care of traffic around and between C and D. A couple of points for the south side that are just off the redline for B and A. Otherwise, if your team can actually hold there side of the map then the buildings do allow for protected spots to your flank. Spine Cresent GÇö way up on the mountain ridges on the west off the redline. You can see all the points and when the reds light up at A they render. D and E is not directly exposed but you get good through and rear traffic at those buildings. You can also get ppl in their redlines. I even almost got a tanker up there just below me repping his tank. He jumped back in before i could get him. Ashland GÇö the main places are in the redline because that's where the hills are. There is a good spot just off the redline on the east side that is perfect for the central area traffic. Iron Delta GÇö C is a great wide area. Yes it is in the redline but then C is butt up against the redline. Also, you can get people on the top of the round building when it's there. On the other side you can defend D. If you defend A and B you might as well go tac rifle marksman for the urban inner outpost. Skim junction is the biggest movement to different positions. I usually go dropship or tank for this. The new maps absolutely do not allow for any sniping at the objective points. But you do what your role is which is to cut the cross traffic. I go dropship if the movement is slim. An effective position doesn't mean you are closer. If you are dead due to assaults et al then you are more useless than a sniper who knows how to stay out of LOS while sniping. A limited area with limited LOS at a time is better than a big area where you can see everything at once. However, as stated above there are some juicy yet exposed areas. All the usual Manus Peak spots are on top of ridges out in the open, hardly ideal since when I feel like it I break out my sniper rifle and spend all match turkey shooting Your Line Harvest spots have the same problem, hardly ideal if everyone knows them and can counter pop you Spine Crescent west mountain range is also not ideal, the installation provides tons of cover for B and C drastically limiting your useful shots, the bridge cuts off any decent firing lane on A unless they are running on the outside leaving you small windows for any shots and the spot is only really useful for covering the open gaps between the bridge and E/D and picking off enemy red line turkeys Ashland sniping is generally foolish due to the large amount of cover and limited spots with decent firing lanes making you ridiculously easy to zero Iron Delta Ill concede the red line spots near C are actually useful if your team is pushed back and defending C and possibly the center if its that open air installation but parking on top of the tower is more useful in that situation Skim Junction doesnt really lend itself to hanging near the spawn behind the red line sniping so yeah moving happens a lot An effective position is just that, an effective position and sitting in a cozy safe spot that lets you completely lock down a 3 meter space on the off chance that maybe someone will walk through it is not effective
And yet those are great positions. I see targets, see the flow of battle, catch the cross traffic, see targets at mutiple points, most of the time protected on one or more sides with only the direction I'm targeting in view like a sniper is supposed to do. And, I get the kills and help the assaults do their job which is cap objectives.
This thread is a case of people not understanding the art and tactics of sniping, not appreciating it and/or just not respecting it and ultimately having a different methodology for applying it. Most people who run vanilla assault seem to think everyone needs to do that or it's no good.
You've got your positions and style; I've got mine. That's another whole discussion entirely between snipers. |
Tailss Prower
501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit
52
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:06:00 -
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Chill man don't let them get to ya snipe where you want no matter what anyone says they can't stop you so don't let them get to ya |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2124
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:19:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: And yet those are great positions. I see targets, see the flow of battle, catch the cross traffic, see targets at mutiple points, most of the time protected on one or more sides with only the direction I'm targeting in view like a sniper is supposed to do. And, I get the kills and help the assaults do their job which is cap objectives.
This thread is a case of people not understanding the art and tactics of sniping, not appreciating it and/or just not respecting it and ultimately having a different methodology for applying it. Most people who run vanilla assault seem to think everyone needs to do that or it's no good.
You've got your positions and style; I've got mine. That's another whole discussion entirely between snipers.
Alright, so I point out how these spots are suboptimal for anything but keeping yourself covered and even then lacking in that area and you go on about the "art" of sniping Girl you must be joking |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
397
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:29:00 -
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The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground. |
Tailss Prower
501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit
53
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:31:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground. yeah that hurts sad that they had to all shoot you but yeah never snipe by an open road like that :P |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2124
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:34:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground.
Proxy mines and remote explosives are your friend |
Tailss Prower
501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit
53
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:38:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:The only sniping I do is either behind an objective defending, or just behind the enemies headshotting them if possible. Funny story that happened today: I was sniping as usual, then suddenly a LAV full of protobears ran right into me. I survived, then the second they hit me, a proto heavy, Caldari assault, and gallente all jumped out and insta killed me. Scared the **** outta me. Moral of the story: never snipe on low ground. Proxy mines and remote explosives are your friend well for starters I wouldn't have been in a spot where they could get close to me so easily with an LAV I also would have heard it and have gotten ready for it so I can at least take 1 down with me or ya know run like a ***** :P
RE's and PE's are simply for when you wanna be an ******* :P |
Princeps Marcellus
expert intervention Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:39:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:dear snipers don't be jelly cause mine's so big I need to mount it on a tank.
sincerely rails
Woo! Let's crash this party with our railguns!
Or even better, literally crash into the party by using speed boosters to drive up the mountainside and ram everyone inside of the sniper nest!
Eh? Eh?
Okay, fine. |
Tailss Prower
501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit
56
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:42:00 -
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Princeps Marcellus wrote:knight of 6 wrote:dear snipers don't be jelly cause mine's so big I need to mount it on a tank.
sincerely rails Woo! Let's crash this party with our railguns! Or even better, literally crash into the party by using speed boosters to drive up the mountainside and ram everyone inside of the sniper nest! Eh? Eh? Okay, fine. and you would be the perfect ***** to use the RE and PE's on but thanks for trying |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1655
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:44:00 -
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Funny, even here, snipers have to hate on snipers... it's not enough that everyone else hates on us? |
lrian Locust
We Who Walk Alone
206
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:53:00 -
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This week my team got trashed by a redline sniper on a hill with a Thales. I managed to kill him once, but he went 38-1.
Don't tell me he didn't contribute to his team winning. He as a pain in the butt! |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
600
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Posted - 2013.10.15 03:07:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: And yet those are great positions. I see targets, see the flow of battle, catch the cross traffic, see targets at mutiple points, most of the time protected on one or more sides with only the direction I'm targeting in view like a sniper is supposed to do. And, I get the kills and help the assaults do their job which is cap objectives.
This thread is a case of people not understanding the art and tactics of sniping, not appreciating it and/or just not respecting it and ultimately having a different methodology for applying it. Most people who run vanilla assault seem to think everyone needs to do that or it's no good.
You've got your positions and style; I've got mine. That's another whole discussion entirely between snipers.
Alright, so I point out how these spots are suboptimal for anything but keeping yourself covered and even then lacking in that area and you go on about the "art" of sniping Girl you must be joking
That middle part is for the thread in general. But, the positions aren't suboptimal because you don't like to use them. |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
496
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:12:00 -
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Hey guys, can we get this thread back on track?
Haters gonna hate.
Munch
P.S. Please send me the link to the channel. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1293
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:55:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).
Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.
And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.
If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.
The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining
PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams.
Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the Sniper Fox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next level |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
496
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:05:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).
Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.
And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.
If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.
The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining
PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams. Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the SniperFox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next level
I agree, actually more than one might be too much.
The CQC guys are super important for taking objectives. Snipers can't easily do this in my opinion.
BUT a full squad of GOOD snipers (snipe, move around, hack, scout, cover objectives, counter snipe) might be fun to try, as long as the rest of the team are CQC guys. At least one dropship might be good, as well. Running sniper/logi rigs can be useful so we can support our team while not sniping. There is nothing like setting up an uplink right beside an objective in the enemy's rear.
There is a full scout squad I've seen out there that seems to do well, so maybe we could at least try a full sniper squad.
Munch |
Tailss Prower
501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit
56
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:24:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).
Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.
And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.
If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.
The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining
PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams. Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the SniperFox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next level I agree, actually more than one might be too much. The CQC guys are super important for taking objectives. Snipers can't easily do this in my opinion. BUT a full squad of GOOD snipers (snipe, move around, hack, scout, cover objectives, counter snipe) might be fun to try, as long as the rest of the team are CQC guys. At least one dropship might be good, as well. Running sniper/logi rigs can be useful so we can support our team while not sniping. There is nothing like setting up an uplink right beside an objective in the enemy's rear. There is a full scout squad I've seen out there that seems to do well, so maybe we could at least try a full sniper squad. Munch do you guys even read I've told yall like 3 times he didn't mean full squads hell he even said so on this thread |
Moonrocks
Stars Protect Systems Incorporation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:32:00 -
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-many map are good for sniper , and high position are often near the border of mapp an sniper without team don't gain any point when defended objective or help assault play in conquer so each role have some "bonus" and "malus" counterpartGǪ accept them
the radar map seems to be bug and don't show enemy has closeness with skill of scan completely GǪ so this explain the 1 m sniper killed
when aim sniper my start are :
- choice goof place ( try to have objective in range , no enemy position in back) - locate and destroy other sniper - check objective and destroy target or harassment shield in action assault - chech othen witout zoom nearest position - move when my position are dicovers
other point : limits map are not the same if you are defender or attacker in the combat , try to check if you can approach the other MMC GǪ CCP thought of it
if you don't like sniper , try to shoot them with turret ( yes you can ) , aircraft transport but don't forgot this point :
Any hunter is a prey GǪ and any prey is a hunter GǪ you don't finish crying |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
416
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:00:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:Hi a friend of mine created a chat channel just for snipers to hang out in. We only want snipers and you have to be a dedicated sniper. (At least an NT-511).
Also we would really like if we only had people who snipe, meaning if you squad up in this chat, then your doing it to snipe.
And before you ask, no we don't want Forge Gun snipers, and no we do not count Railguns as snipers.
If you want in on the chat channel, then just mail me or Natalia Kush. We will accept you as soon as possible. But if you don't have a sniper rifle, then you can expect to be kicked from the chat channel.
The channel is now invite only to prevent anti-snipers from joining
PS I know I put this in the War Room, but I also wanted it in General Discussions as well There should be no more than 2 Snipers in an effective squad. So I hope you arnGÇÖt making full squads of snipers, or you are going to generate a lot of Sniper hate from the Blues on your teams. Fox Guide: Sniping, The Role of the SniperFox Guide: Marksman, Taking Sniper to the next levelEdit: Sniper is a unique role in that if you do it wrong you generate more hate from your own team than doing it right would generate on the opposing team. Read my guides, and focus on helping your team win. DonGÇÖt make Snipers look bad. There are plenty of noobs doing that already. Yeah, except we are just trying to snipe and have fun
Wining or losing doesn't matter in PUBs anyway |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
808
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:30:00 -
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Still searching for good snipers. If you want an invite, just send me some mail and I'll invite you when I'm on
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:41:00 -
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I approve of this thread, my fellow sniper brothers and would love to join the channel sometime.
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
l
Seeker of knowledge and truth.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
809
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:48:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:I approve of this thread, my fellow sniper brothers and would love to join the channel sometime. Are you online right now? I could invite you and your friends if you are.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:VAHZZ wrote:I approve of this thread, my fellow sniper brothers and would love to join the channel sometime. Are you online right now? I could invite you and your friends if you are.
I'm online now yea
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
l
Seeker of knowledge and truth.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
809
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Posted - 2013.11.10 03:59:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Atiim wrote:VAHZZ wrote:I approve of this thread, my fellow sniper brothers and would love to join the channel sometime. Are you online right now? I could invite you and your friends if you are. I'm online now yea Ok. I'll invite you in about 10 min.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
Savage Arms INC
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 08:25:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:CCP should just make it so we can team kill anyone with a sniper in their fitting, and if they dont earn at least 5000wp a match they dont get any rewards, that should fix things
Now that's just wrong no matter what you say because sniping isn't as as easy as some assaults think. I'm also a heavy on an alt account so I can say I know how it is to step inside and outside this "combat zone" that most speak of and through my experiences it resulted in even my HEAVY being demolished within two seconds of the trigger being pulled by a a fake assaulty logi or even a smart or somewhat smart assault that happened to find me at 30 to 40 meters and more to kill me. (I do note that profile dampeners help but not if the area is getting swarmed) So saying that it's truly hard to be a sniper on the inside where most or all don't belong (depending on the sniper of choice) and killing off a sniper that has finally found a spot that can probably turn the match completely around redline, tower, or just luck of ground outside no one should be killed because an assaulty wants to switched roles because it's tough for him is outrageous! plus the amount of WP you just stated is so stupid you might need to kill yourself 150 times in a match... |
LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
44
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:05:00 -
[146] - Quote
I have operation lv 5 and prof.4 and I use Thale or Charge with 4 complex dmg mods
Can I yoin? |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
430
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:04:00 -
[147] - Quote
didnt bother reading the whole thread (apologies):
interesting that the wiki linked early on mentions snipers being used to affect enemy morale...
It also mentions that sniping requires being hidden.
2+2=
redline sniping is working as intended.
common misconception: all maps are conducive to redline sniping, or that all red line areas are used by snipers that are hiding in the redzone.
some maps have obviously been created to encourage sniping, some are the opposite. the best way to know which is which is to don a sniper rifle and take a wander. There aren't that many 'great' sniper spots, and its always nice to be surprised by a new one... they really are that rare :P
If you want to know whats really annoying... head glitching or render distances... which ever happens to be denying me a kill at the time :P
ps is funny watching a jeep get delivered but not being able to see the person that sent for it... and i know this because the jeep stopped being rendered by the game engine the moment its wheel hit the ground....and no this was from 150m off objective looking at something that wasnt quite in the enemy red zone (domination) |
Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
743
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:09:00 -
[148] - Quote
sniper here, prof 5 and comp damage. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
865
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:10:00 -
[149] - Quote
Niuvo wrote:sniper here, prof 5 and comp damage. Are you online right now? If so then i'll invite you.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
865
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:11:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:I have operation lv 5 and prof.4 and I use Thale or Charge
Can I yoin? Sure, you can "yoin"
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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