Crome tanks were mobile death fortresses. Even with several people firing on them they would rep and run. Impossible to kill.

Now imagine those mobile death fortresses NOT topping the battle report. Assisted kills don't get you any glory, after all. No one will know how many kills those tanks and drop ships got except for the pilots themselves, and as long as they aren't ****-ing stupid enough to take screen caps and brag about it, no one will be bothered by them.

Crome tanks were mobile death fortresses. Even with several people firing on them they would rep and run. Impossible to kill.

XD so you want them to be secretly good? This way no one can call for a nerf.

I would rather them be balanced, not OP. I don't care if they go they top the charts, but I do care if a tank is killing me and my squad over and over again and our AV isn't making a dent into it.

But that's the thing though, Cody. You might not care if vehicles top the charts, but you're probably good at this game. I am certain that the vast majority of complainers are obsessed with the chart. Performance and results. No matter how hard a tanker had to work in order to earn his kills, they'll still believe that it was the vehicle doing all the work and use that justify their support for under-performing vehicles. All that matters to these guys is the battle report.

So chromosome era vehicles may not be the best example to go by if they really were as unbalanced as you believe. Okay, well vehicles are getting a re-work, with mods getting gradually reintroduced. The devs will know straightaway how strong is too strong with their current approach. In the meanwhile, assist kills for pilots will silence a lot of the anger.

Tankers and Pilots just want to have fun same as everyone else. Vehicles can't be balanced for damage, but changing the nature of how they're perceived will do a lot of good. Support machines, not solo machines should be that perception. If all they're getting is assist kills, then Infantry will view themselves as doing the majority of the work, and all will be well.

Now imagine those mobile death fortresses NOT topping the battle report. Assisted kills don't get you any glory, after all. No one will know how many kills those tanks and drop ships got except for the pilots themselves, and as long as they aren't ****-ing stupid enough to take screen caps and brag about it, no one will be bothered by them.

Now here me out!

All the screams of "OP" and "Unfair" leveled at tanks and Drop-ships that have gotten them nerfed into their present state, all of them stem from one source. The battle report at the end of the match that had those tankers and pilots going 30-0. It's jealousy plain and simple and it is completely understandable.

The spirit of Dust 514 does not lie in cooperation. Most players really don't give a toss if their team wins or loses a match, as long as they personally have a good Kill/Death ratio. When infantry looked at the battle report and saw that tankers and pilots were consistently getting kill streaks as long as their arms, they flipped out. Again, completely understandable. So they complained. And what followed next was the nerf hammer as our developer friends tried to compensate.

However! No matter how many times they nerf vehicles, it'll never be enough for some people, because we still have some remarkably good pilots still getting a lot of kills. Because of that relative minority, people are under the mistaken impression that vehicles are overpowered, when in fact they are all but unplayable in their current state. What needs to be addressed is that appeasing infantry players won't happen with more gameplay changes (i.e. vehicle nerfs), but rather with a simple change of philosophy that reinforces vehicles as support units.

Since vehicles are supposed to be support units, simply code it so that all the player kills that pilots and tankers get are assisted kills. Boom! Crisis solved. HAVs and DS can be gradually ratcheted up back to their chromosome levels of fun without people being envious of their performance. Pilots will get zero kills, but a lot of WP. Therefore infantry will care far, far less. After all, Kills are the only things that matter to these guys. If Pilots and tanks aren't topping the kill list, then they aren't a threat, and won't complain. And then we can all get back to having fun.

Psychology!

Crome tanks were mobile death fortresses. Even with several people firing on them they would rep and run. Impossible to kill.

It's called another tank. Duh

So rock beats rock?

Are you implying that tanks should be useless against each other?

No, but shouldn't they have something else that can beat them?

There should be something else to chase them away.

But that's the thing though, Cody. You might not care if vehicles top the charts, but you're probably good at this game. I am certain that the vast majority of complainers are obsessed with the chart. Performance and results. No matter how hard a tanker had to work in order to earn his kills, they'll still believe that it was the vehicle doing all the work and use that justify their support for under-performing vehicles. All that matters to these guys is the battle report.

So chromosome era vehicles may not be the best example to go by if they really were as unbalanced as you believe. Okay, well vehicles are getting a re-work, with mods getting gradually reintroduced. The devs will know straightaway how strong is too strong with their current approach. In the meanwhile, assist kills for pilots will silence a lot of the anger.

Tankers and Pilots just want to have fun same as everyone else. Vehicles can't be balanced for damage, but changing the nature of how they're perceived will do a lot of good. Support machines, not solo machines should be that perception. If all they're getting is assist kills, then Infantry will view themselves as doing the majority of the work, and all will be well.

So unstoppable...unless you run a tank...

Why should the game be balanced for meaningless pub matches, instead of faction warfare and planetary conquest, the two modes which actually affect EVE in some small way?

Crome tanks were mobile death fortresses. Even with several people firing on them they would rep and run. Impossible to kill.

So unstoppable...unless you run a tank...

The counter to a tank should be either another tank or a coordinated AV strike.

The idea of having a single infantry unit having the same firepower as another tank (as it is right now with proto AV) is ridiculous. To bring down a tank should either take another tank with similar skill, or a coordinated attack from several AV infantry units.

What, you can't solo a tank? Well then the tank is perfectly fine and is working as it should. Try using teamwork next time before crying OP. (This is not aimed at anyone, just a general statement of what's going on with most infantry and their cries for nerfs)

wtf ur joking right in chromosome tanks were still up ur av clearly sucked...in chromosome in order for me to solo a tank it involved a actual fight with chasing and running. athough not equal as it should have taken 3 of me to kill 1 tank with 3 users not 1.

i order to insta pop said tank it required coordination and teamwork.

proto tanks ..with 3 proto pilots should require at least 2 proto dedicated avers to kill..i would even say 3 if they're skill in av amounts only to the gear they run.

I dream of a time when it would take 3 proto AV to kill me... My point was simply that it's too easy to solo tanks now, something which should be near impossible to do unless if the tanker is bad or the fit is bad (or both).

I apologize for misreading you in any way. And I'm not asking for tanks to be unkillable either.