For some reason DROVES of players enter these game modes but play a lone wolf, WP farming style of play that contributes absolutely ZERO to capturing objectives to earn a victory.

-Perhaps give a 2x payout to those who accumulate 1000 WP.
-Double the payout of SP and WP for a victory in Domination and Skirmish.
-0-0 and 0 WP gets ZERO

I don't know that your suggestions would stop "WP farming" styles of play; it seems like they'd encourage it if anything.

For some reason DROVES of players enter these game modes but play a lone wolf, WP farming style of play that contributes absolutely ZERO to capturing objectives to earn a victory.

I've been telling everyone to stop entering those gamemodes as it will only lead to frustration and more ISK purging than necessary. I've only been playing Ambush and it's 1000x more enjoyable.

I'm not sure what needs to be done. Should ISK payouts be increased to the point that people don't feel the need to conserve dropsuits?? Before you make a comment on killing the ISK economy that is already being done on a much larger scale with the broken mechanics of PC.

-Perhaps give a 2x payout to those who accumulate 1000 WP.
-Double the payout of SP and WP for a victory in Domination and Skirmish.
-0-0 and 0 WP gets ZERO

Any other ideas to get these gamemodes fun again???

For some reason DROVES of players enter these game modes but play a lone wolf, WP farming style of play that contributes absolutely ZERO to capturing objectives to earn a victory.

I've been telling everyone to stop entering those gamemodes as it will only lead to frustration and more ISK purging than necessary. I've only been playing Ambush and it's 1000x more enjoyable.

I'm not sure what needs to be done. Should ISK payouts be increased to the point that people don't feel the need to conserve dropsuits?? Before you make a comment on killing the ISK economy that is already being done on a much larger scale with the broken mechanics of PC.

-Perhaps give a 2x payout to those who accumulate 1000 WP.
-Double the payout of SP and WP for a victory in Domination and Skirmish.
-0-0 and 0 WP gets ZERO

Any other ideas to get these gamemodes fun again???

The only thing ive realised with the two on public search, is that once one team holds an objective its game over.

Or once a team red lines the other in under 5 mins then its game over. Another thing ive realised with Domination is the complete lack of self sacrifice, NO-ONE will run in as a squd to get the danger hack off, thus no one is applying pressure and then its a land slide victory!!!

Both of which are VERY boring games to be a part of. Hell ive been telling my guys to LEAVE an objective so we can get some kills and shoot stuff.

FW is where the fun games are at, people dont seem to care about losing the suits to get an objective, this is what we neeed!!!

Guys, you see the vets run proto and whine, yet its the proto guys who put themselves is crappy situations to get the win?!.

Another thing i see vets do is switch to a cheaper fit to get the hack off, a valid and perfect tactic to get in and out and get your team a spawn point NOT behind the red line.

A gypsy gallente basic suits with two enhance hacking mods is a decent suit to run when trying to cap. People need to be trying different suit combos to adapt to the situation in hand.

For some reason DROVES of players enter these game modes but play a lone wolf, WP farming style of play that contributes absolutely ZERO to capturing objectives to earn a victory.

I've been telling everyone to stop entering those gamemodes as it will only lead to frustration and more ISK purging than necessary. I've only been playing Ambush and it's 1000x more enjoyable.

I'm not sure what needs to be done. Should ISK payouts be increased to the point that people don't feel the need to conserve dropsuits?? Before you make a comment on killing the ISK economy that is already being done on a much larger scale with the broken mechanics of PC.

-Perhaps give a 2x payout to those who accumulate 1000 WP.
-Double the payout of SP and WP for a victory in Domination and Skirmish.
-0-0 and 0 WP gets ZERO

Any other ideas to get these gamemodes fun again???

Any other ideas to get these gamemodes fun again???

Team deployment in FW is coming...if that helps.

Because not all of us like Call of Duty mode.

It can't get here fast enough.

Is there another FPS that has a roof camper/red line sniping mode that all the cool kids are playing?

If you don't like the game modes that focus on combat to capture objectives play ambush. It's easier for your teammates to pull your dead weight that way.

Like it or not, you're part of the problem--namely, the full squads of players from established corps that come into a game that is otherwise full of default corp players and two or three others from different corps--and then proceed to mop the floor with the poor saps. Originally, this was pretty much restricted to public contracts (in 1.4) but the focus has now shifted over to faction warfare. Hell, I was thrown into one battle on a team with no squads...going against an Amarr side that had a full squad of ShiShi Funjian(sp?) AND a full squad of Teamplayers. It went pretty much how you would expect. Prior to this push towards FW, these battles were great and very well matched, definitely some of the best matches I've been a part of. Now, however, it's become yet another stomping ground for the well-oiled corporate machines. Blame the handful of players that "don't contribute" during the battle...but you should also blame the pubstompers that are only too eager to face off against an opponent that clearly won't provide any sort of challenge (even before the match begins.)

For some reason DROVES of players enter these game modes but play a lone wolf, WP farming style of play that contributes absolutely ZERO to capturing objectives to earn a victory.

I've been telling everyone to stop entering those gamemodes as it will only lead to frustration and more ISK purging than necessary. I've only been playing Ambush and it's 1000x more enjoyable.

I'm not sure what needs to be done. Should ISK payouts be increased to the point that people don't feel the need to conserve dropsuits?? Before you make a comment on killing the ISK economy that is already being done on a much larger scale with the broken mechanics of PC.

-Perhaps give a 2x payout to those who accumulate 1000 WP.
-Double the payout of SP and WP for a victory in Domination and Skirmish.
-0-0 and 0 WP gets ZERO

Any other ideas to get these gamemodes fun again???

You need to realize capturing objectives is not how you win the game. It's all about the ISKies and WPs. I don't care if the victory screen says VICTORY if I died a bunch and made no money. On the other hand if it says DEFEAT and I didn't die and made tons of ISK I consider that a personal victory. I am a mercenary afterall.

Not saying I actually enjoy the game being like this. Just saying thats the way it is. If you want the objectives to matter than you gotta play PC.

I usually go something like...

19/7, 2500 wp
Depending on the match, I can make up to 4000 wp, or as little as 1500.

But you know what? I help the team as much as possible. I place uplinks in between objectives for players to spawn on to help advance the frontline. I put repair nanohives in defendable positions for players to use after battle when I'm not there to heal them myself.

As a heavy I blow up those tanks that constantly kill you guys, I defend tight positions with my HMG to cover the objective, I use my forge to take out near an objective so that we can rush in with LAVs...

I've spent my 22 million sp to be versatile, and that means I should have the ability to do other things now besides run and gun straight to the objective.

I totally understand there are a million ways to skin a cat in this game. What is going on in most of the matches is not what you are describing.

I can't help but believe these are not brand new players. I find it hard to believe we've had some sudden influx of new players.

I'm versatile as well and I love bringing 4 or 5 different roles to the battle. But one squad can't do all this on their own. These maps are just too big.

If the other team have 16 player with Roofer Madness mentality yes one squad can do anything on their own

Is there another FPS that has a roof camper/red line sniping mode that all the cool kids are playing?

If you don't like the game modes that focus on combat to capture objectives play ambush. It's easier for your teammates to pull your dead weight that way.

Like it or not, you're part of the problem--namely, the full squads of players from established corps that come into a game that is otherwise full of default corp players and two or three others from different corps--and then proceed to mop the floor with the poor saps. Originally, this was pretty much restricted to public contracts (in 1.4) but the focus has now shifted over to faction warfare. Hell, I was thrown into one battle on a team with no squads...going against an Amarr side that had a full squad of ShiShi Funjian(sp?) AND a full squad of Teamplayers. It went pretty much how you would expect. Prior to this push towards FW, these battles were great and very well matched, definitely some of the best matches I've been a part of. Now, however, it's become yet another stomping ground for the well-oiled corporate machines. Blame the handful of players that "don't contribute" during the battle...but you should also blame the pubstompers that are only too eager to face off against an opponent that clearly won't provide any sort of challenge (even before the match begins.)

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Hate to admit it, Odinson, but in my case he is literally correct about you being part of the problem!. I sometimes farm like this (run in, hack objective if I can get there first, drop hives/uplinks and then go snipe or grab a well-located turret for the rest of the match, maybe run out again once or twice to dro more stuff). Not my favorite thing to do, but I need the ISK.

We ran into you guys in FW last week, for example, it was a brutal CQC street fighting bloodbath; you had only 4-5 ticks left on the MCC but cloned us out for the win. We may have lost but that kind of match makes us better. It also makes us (at least me) poor! My ADV suits can't keep up with your proto assaults and freedom mass drivers but the logi equipment I carry ain't cheap. It was a great exhilarating battle and while I got at least 1500 WP and ~300k ISK, I also went 7/12 (maybe worse) and lost about that much net ISK too.

It's very common for me to go negative like that when playing with my corp because of my style of play (tank hunting/ infiltrator logi FTW) and obviously I'm going to go all out when squadded with my corp.

It's not financially sustainable, however, so I need to play some low risk matches to make up for it. So, I lone wolf in some pubs (never FW)... It may not be the most win-oriented play style, but I am at least doing something besides AFK. Gotta pay the bills somehow, hunting protobears is awfully expensive.

Oh, and BTW, Everything Dies, my corp does not require microphones either, as long as you can hear the rest of us and follow our lead, you're good. You are welcome to apply to UNIT. any time. Our information is in my recruitment thread, which, BTW, I need to go bump, I'm slacking off on that...

I've seen you guys in FW. Y'all should swing by PC Team Sync and sync against us.

Morathi, you are trying too hard.

I don't know that your suggestions would stop "WP farming" styles of play; it seems like they'd encourage it if anything.

I'm talking about running around hacking installations, placing some uplinks/nanohives then running to the hills to snipe, roofcamp, or fly dropships around for an entire match.

If a dude is piling up WP from pushing objectives and contributing to a victory then more power to them. I'm talking about getting 1000 WP without really doing much to win the game.

You need to realize capturing objectives is not how you win the game. It's all about the ISKies and WPs. I don't care if the victory screen says VICTORY if I died a bunch and made no money. On the other hand if it says DEFEAT and I didn't die and made tons of ISK I consider that a personal victory. I am a mercenary afterall.

Not saying I actually enjoy the game being like this. Just saying thats the way it is. If you want the objectives to matter than you gotta play PC.

I don't know that your suggestions would stop "WP farming" styles of play; it seems like they'd encourage it if anything.

I'm talking about running around hacking installations, placing some uplinks/nanohives then running to the hills to snipe, roofcamp, or fly dropships around for an entire match.

If a dude is piling up WP from pushing objectives and contributing to a victory then more power to them. I'm talking about getting 1000 WP without really doing much to win the game.