Is there another FPS that has a roof camper/red line sniping mode that all the cool kids are playing?

If you don't like the game modes that focus on combat to capture objectives play ambush. It's easier for your teammates to pull your dead weight that way.

I agree.

In my opinion, it should have already been here, but who am I?

Like it or not, you're part of the problem--namely, the full squads of players from established corps that come into a game that is otherwise full of default corp players and two or three others from different corps--and then proceed to mop the floor with the poor saps. Originally, this was pretty much restricted to public contracts (in 1.4) but the focus has now shifted over to faction warfare. Hell, I was thrown into one battle on a team with no squads...going against an Amarr side that had a full squad of ShiShi Funjian(sp?) AND a full squad of Teamplayers. It went pretty much how you would expect. Prior to this push towards FW, these battles were great and very well matched, definitely some of the best matches I've been a part of. Now, however, it's become yet another stomping ground for the well-oiled corporate machines. Blame the handful of players that "don't contribute" during the battle...but you should also blame the pubstompers that are only too eager to face off against an opponent that clearly won't provide any sort of challenge (even before the match begins.)

Strange, on EU servers I think Skirmish is great, you get some really good, dynamic fights (the odd redline fest as well, but not too often in 1.4). There's reliable squads of well known corps like What the French but also guys like Corporation Lince who just keep pushing.

I agree, Domination is usually pretty bad as the fact there's only one point to fight over leads one side to give up if they don't hold it.

While I think Ambush is okay for a game or two, it gets boring after that as it's (literally) pointless.

I don't care if the victory screen says VICTORY if I died a bunch and made no money. On the other hand if it says DEFEAT and I didn't die and made tons of ISK I consider that a personal victory. I am a mercenary afterall.

Oh, and one other thing:
The issue of joining a battle after it has started is seriously jacked-up. In a recent battle, I joined up about right about the time both sides had their shields slightly above 50% (so I missed the first 1/4 of the match or so.) Being one of the new (sniper-nerfed) maps, I went into battle with my cheap CQC suit and decided to get my hands dirty. Finished the match with something like ten kills and three deaths and about 700 WP overall...and my ISK payout was about 80k. Given that my suit costs about 25k, I barely turned any sort of profit for actively trying to participate. Whereas I've had to sit through entire matches twiddling my thumbs and scored 100 WP...only to walk away with 150k ISK.

That gets me thinking...what if the two teams went into a match and deliberately refused to capture any nodes? How much money would they get for just sitting there?

Join a corp, this is a team game.

Sorry to bust your bubble. You are doing it wrong

EDIT: I looked up your employment history and you were in a corp for a month, but you've been NPC since July 31. I can't think of a single reason to be in an NPC. Unless you are in a holding pattern looking for a new corp.

This isnt the fault of the players, its the fault of the designer.Game rewards are supposed to be given to players who perform actions in line with how the designers want a game mode to function.

Players will always choose the path of least resistance in getting rewards. Whether that be AFK'ing, spamming equipment for WP or other. This will never change as long as it is a viable way to gain SP and ISK.

I'm the player described in the OP.

I cycle skirmish/domination because they are typically longer games compared to ambush, especially the 50 VS 50 type. I do this because I don't have a lot of time to earn SP, so I tend to play the more SP efficient game modes, even though I get more enjoyment out of playing ambush.

I'm in a corp, which is in a very active alliance. But squadding up takes time. And waiting in quarters for squad-mate 4 to restock his fits/go to the bathroom/yell at his girlfriend for the 3rd time takes up more time. Time I would rather spend earning SP. So I don't squad up anymore.

In game, when lone wolfing, capturing objectives/installations gets you killed on a regular basis. So I rarely do it. Instead I contribute by shooting people in the face while not dying, and I've gotten very good at it.

As for whether my team wins or loses, it's doesn't matter. I don't get more SP/ISK/salvage for winning, so why should I bend over backwards to try and win the round? My goal is to earn as much SP as quickly as possible, so the longer the battle lasts, the better off I am.

What I'm getting at is its time to stop blaming the players. It's up to CCP to come up with better incentives for winning battles.

what? someone doesnt play how you like and the game has to change... seriously dude? 1/10

Victory needs to matter, gameplay needs to be valued and different playstyles should flourish in order for the game to be enjoyable and rewarding.

[...] As for my being in an NPC, the reason is simple--I don't have a mic.

You need to realize capturing objectives is not how you win the game. It's all about the ISKies and WPs. I don't care if the victory screen says VICTORY if I died a bunch and made no money. On the other hand if it says DEFEAT and I didn't die and made tons of ISK I consider that a personal victory. I am a mercenary afterall.

Not saying I actually enjoy the game being like this. Just saying thats the way it is. If you want the objectives to matter than you gotta play PC.

I usually go something like...

19/7, 2500 wp
Depending on the match, I can make up to 4000 wp, or as little as 1500.

But you know what? I help the team as much as possible. I place uplinks in between objectives for players to spawn on to help advance the frontline. I put repair nanohives in defendable positions for players to use after battle when I'm not there to heal them myself.

As a heavy I blow up those tanks that constantly kill you guys, I defend tight positions with my HMG to cover the objective, I use my forge to take out near an objective so that we can rush in with LAVs...

I've spent my 22 million sp to be versatile, and that means I should have the ability to do other things now besides run and gun straight to the objective.

I totally understand there are a million ways to skin a cat in this game. What is going on in most of the matches is not what you are describing.

I can't help but believe these are not brand new players. I find it hard to believe we've had some sudden influx of new players.

I'm versatile as well and I love bringing 4 or 5 different roles to the battle. But one squad can't do all this on their own. These maps are just too big.

first off, the goal is make money not win. who wins and who loses doesn't matter unless you drop proto
secondly what are you referring to when you say "wp farming" wp is most efficiently gathered through hacks, revives, and hives...
thirdly you need more than one person to hack an objective and hold it.
fourth, vehicles, the number of players in a match is not enough to support more than 2 vehicles on one team at a time


I had some awesome matches today and could count my deaths on one hand for all of them while hacking a good bit as well which is a welcome change for my scout :)

If the other team have 16 player with Roofer Madness mentality yes one squad can do anything on their own

Morathi, you are trying too hard.