I don't know that your suggestions would stop "WP farming" styles of play; it seems like they'd encourage it if anything.

eh I go through these "modes" as well, I play domination right now, in a month i'll probably be annoyed and bored, and start playing skirmish again, fall in love till I get bored again, then move to ambush after that.

unlike roofer, I actually play to win, because isk has no value to me anymore, seriously I don't care in the slightest if I lose money from a game i'll probably make it back in the long run, or it just really doesn't matter I have plenty of isk.

but ya back on point incentives are important, you should have incentive to encourage players for winning a game, since that is not in place, players don't actively try to win very often.

You need to realize capturing objectives is not how you win the game. It's all about the ISKies and WPs. I don't care if the victory screen says VICTORY if I died a bunch and made no money. On the other hand if it says DEFEAT and I didn't die and made tons of ISK I consider that a personal victory. I am a mercenary afterall.

Not saying I actually enjoy the game being like this. Just saying thats the way it is. If you want the objectives to matter than you gotta play PC.

I get lots of WP in battles... but is definitely NOT farming ;

- 200 wp at the star of the battle by hacking 1 objective and a couple of optional's ( Supply Depo, turret, etc )
- About 50-100 WP's at the start of the battle by dropping Up-links with my super fast scout.
- During the battle about 800 wp for kills and kill assist
- Repairing people, up-links and re-hacking objective give me around another 500-600 wp

Total = 1600 / 1800 wp per battle.

In a good battle i can potentially double that amount

Stop protostomping. Protostomping has caused people to say f*ck it and run through quick and dirty for kills. Even an organized squad can't win if the other team can run a two for one on kills.

what? someone doesnt play how you like and the game has to change... seriously dude? 1/10

The only thing ive realised with the two on public search, is that once one team holds an objective its game over.

Or once a team red lines the other in under 5 mins then its game over. Another thing ive realised with Domination is the complete lack of self sacrifice, NO-ONE will run in as a squd to get the danger hack off, thus no one is applying pressure and then its a land slide victory!!!

Both of which are VERY boring games to be a part of. Hell ive been telling my guys to LEAVE an objective so we can get some kills and shoot stuff.

FW is where the fun games are at, people dont seem to care about losing the suits to get an objective, this is what we neeed!!!

Guys, you see the vets run proto and whine, yet its the proto guys who put themselves is crappy situations to get the win?!.

Another thing i see vets do is switch to a cheaper fit to get the hack off, a valid and perfect tactic to get in and out and get your team a spawn point NOT behind the red line.

A gypsy gallente basic suits with two enhance hacking mods is a decent suit to run when trying to cap. People need to be trying different suit combos to adapt to the situation in hand.

Because not all of us like Call of Duty mode.

Team deployment in FW is coming...if that helps.

I agree.

In my opinion, it should have already been here, but who am I?

Like it or not, you're part of the problem--namely, the full squads of players from established corps that come into a game that is otherwise full of default corp players and two or three others from different corps--and then proceed to mop the floor with the poor saps. Originally, this was pretty much restricted to public contracts (in 1.4) but the focus has now shifted over to faction warfare. Hell, I was thrown into one battle on a team with no squads...going against an Amarr side that had a full squad of ShiShi Funjian(sp?) AND a full squad of Teamplayers. It went pretty much how you would expect. Prior to this push towards FW, these battles were great and very well matched, definitely some of the best matches I've been a part of. Now, however, it's become yet another stomping ground for the well-oiled corporate machines. Blame the handful of players that "don't contribute" during the battle...but you should also blame the pubstompers that are only too eager to face off against an opponent that clearly won't provide any sort of challenge (even before the match begins.)

Strange, on EU servers I think Skirmish is great, you get some really good, dynamic fights (the odd redline fest as well, but not too often in 1.4). There's reliable squads of well known corps like What the French but also guys like Corporation Lince who just keep pushing.

I agree, Domination is usually pretty bad as the fact there's only one point to fight over leads one side to give up if they don't hold it.

While I think Ambush is okay for a game or two, it gets boring after that as it's (literally) pointless.

This isnt the fault of the players, its the fault of the designer.Game rewards are supposed to be given to players who perform actions in line with how the designers want a game mode to function.

Players will always choose the path of least resistance in getting rewards. Whether that be AFK'ing, spamming equipment for WP or other. This will never change as long as it is a viable way to gain SP and ISK.

I'm the player described in the OP.

I cycle skirmish/domination because they are typically longer games compared to ambush, especially the 50 VS 50 type. I do this because I don't have a lot of time to earn SP, so I tend to play the more SP efficient game modes, even though I get more enjoyment out of playing ambush.

I'm in a corp, which is in a very active alliance. But squadding up takes time. And waiting in quarters for squad-mate 4 to restock his fits/go to the bathroom/yell at his girlfriend for the 3rd time takes up more time. Time I would rather spend earning SP. So I don't squad up anymore.

In game, when lone wolfing, capturing objectives/installations gets you killed on a regular basis. So I rarely do it. Instead I contribute by shooting people in the face while not dying, and I've gotten very good at it.

As for whether my team wins or loses, it's doesn't matter. I don't get more SP/ISK/salvage for winning, so why should I bend over backwards to try and win the round? My goal is to earn as much SP as quickly as possible, so the longer the battle lasts, the better off I am.

What I'm getting at is its time to stop blaming the players. It's up to CCP to come up with better incentives for winning battles.

I usually go something like...

19/7, 2500 wp
Depending on the match, I can make up to 4000 wp, or as little as 1500.

But you know what? I help the team as much as possible. I place uplinks in between objectives for players to spawn on to help advance the frontline. I put repair nanohives in defendable positions for players to use after battle when I'm not there to heal them myself.

As a heavy I blow up those tanks that constantly kill you guys, I defend tight positions with my HMG to cover the objective, I use my forge to take out near an objective so that we can rush in with LAVs...

I've spent my 22 million sp to be versatile, and that means I should have the ability to do other things now besides run and gun straight to the objective.

Hate to admit it, Odinson, but in my case he is literally correct about you being part of the problem!. I sometimes farm like this (run in, hack objective if I can get there first, drop hives/uplinks and then go snipe or grab a well-located turret for the rest of the match, maybe run out again once or twice to dro more stuff). Not my favorite thing to do, but I need the ISK.

We ran into you guys in FW last week, for example, it was a brutal CQC street fighting bloodbath; you had only 4-5 ticks left on the MCC but cloned us out for the win. We may have lost but that kind of match makes us better. It also makes us (at least me) poor! My ADV suits can't keep up with your proto assaults and freedom mass drivers but the logi equipment I carry ain't cheap. It was a great exhilarating battle and while I got at least 1500 WP and ~300k ISK, I also went 7/12 (maybe worse) and lost about that much net ISK too.

It's very common for me to go negative like that when playing with my corp because of my style of play (tank hunting/ infiltrator logi FTW) and obviously I'm going to go all out when squadded with my corp.

It's not financially sustainable, however, so I need to play some low risk matches to make up for it. So, I lone wolf in some pubs (never FW)... It may not be the most win-oriented play style, but I am at least doing something besides AFK. Gotta pay the bills somehow, hunting protobears is awfully expensive.

Oh, and BTW, Everything Dies, my corp does not require microphones either, as long as you can hear the rest of us and follow our lead, you're good. You are welcome to apply to UNIT. any time. Our information is in my recruitment thread, which, BTW, I need to go bump, I'm slacking off on that...

Hmm... Not sure how masochistic we want to be, but I'll pass it on.!
(i'm not playing much for the next 2 weeks b/c I have a board exam coming up)

Careful I mentioned this and the logi flamed me hard. I was choked because it takes me skill to get 20/1 in a match to be 4 place to players with 1/10 because they ran around droping spawn points then sat there and collected WP. All the power to them but it required no skill and no risk. Many just run to a supply depot and put on a militia or starter fit and snipe or something well the equipment gets point and repeats when needed. Others just spam equipment, 4-5 at a place and so many spawn points I could cross the map without touching the ground.

WTF is wrong with flying a dropship?